mostlytechnic

Thanks for fun game - and it was even fun in the deadboard, since def didn't tell us much. We were still debating who the SK was. I was CONVINCED it was brick, trying to pull a hinck and be the "town leader" while actually the SK. Looks like I was wrong. DD did the opposite - survived as SK by just not really existing :) Very curious how the game would have gone if tammo hadn't revealed the vig. It was a solid play, getting into the town's good side, but didn't work obviously. Scum got super lucky getting 4 good costumes on day 1. We had most of them figured out pretty quick between stuff getting outed and us grabbing new things.

I'm about a third done building mine and flat out love it. There's SO much detail crammed in here and clever building techniques for all these machines. Just fun to build.

I told no one about the bomb. And whybis everyone so paranoid about losing the big costume when we're in for a second night of not using it? Glad I've kept my vote then. And just because you don't use it doesn't mean it can't get stolen....

It's come up again against me, so apparently I need to state this again. We can't vote based on costume. The scum know many more of them and any of us do, and they'll take them. People are so worried about holding onto the vig, but if you think a scum has it, we HAVE to lynch them! Keeping it in the hopes that the town ca reclaim it on future days isn't worth letting a scum live and kill a townie with it.

Hm. I think I'm keeping my vote right where it is. i still think dave's scum. I don't like this lynch wagon on zepher, because it's 100% built on DF's case and a bunch of people saying "yep I agree" - I don't think a single one of you posted another new thought against zeph. If I wasn't townreading several of you, I'd think we've got a massive scum pile forming to get rid of an important townie costume. I also noted that there were statements of "we have to lynch the scum despite what costume he has," even though my saying that earlier today got votes on me

Wait, so you're admitting here that you think brick is scum (why else would he announce that an investigation showed you were scum? Either that'd be true or he's lying scum himself), and yet you're voting for me because I said I'd vote for him? Yes, the cop is a good costume. However, lynching a scum is more important. And note - yes, I started a case on him early and moved to dave. I think both are scum. I've said so repeatedly. I'd like to lynch both. I'd think you'd be happy my first vote was on dave so that I wasn't lynching your precious investigator costume...

I think zeph had the mask day 1.

Well, I totally misunderstood the random assignment thing then. I understood the rules to mean that anything not taken by the end of the day would be randomly. But this sucks, the thief today is one of yesterday's suspects. Hmm. I'll start things off Vote: piratedave84 (piratedave84) Reasons already given, and as I said earlier, as of now I'd be happy with him or brick getting lynched.

FYI, I'll be travelling on business most of the week. I'll be able to read and post for sure in the evening, hopefully in the morning, and occasionally during the day.

Sorry, not letting crap like this fly. You REALLY think that brick and I are scum together? Let's look at today a little bit. Post 15, by me: Calling out brick as potential scum, right at the beginning of the day. Then when that was ignored by everyone, I brought it up again later: So you really think I'm scum buddies with him? I started the scumhunt against him and I tried to prod others again when they weren't looking into it at all. Right now I don't trust dave OR brick. I'd vote to lynch both if I could. And I'll gladly lynch either one as the rest of the town decides.

Ok, both brick and dave sent me pms. They did match, one saying "not scum" and one saying "scum" but brick also said that the role PM from the costume explicitly said the result would be scum/not scum, so I guess this told us nothing. Crap. Darn moderator giving too much detail in role pms

NA = night action. But here's an idea. Both Brick and Dave - send a neutral third party in this debate (ie me) a PM with exactly how your result PM phrased it - not quoting the whole PM and breaking rules, but did the result say town, not town, scum,. not scum, what? Because honestly, we don't know if you both actually used the role! If your answers corroborate each other, there's a chance you're telling the truth (even if one of you is lying you've got 50/50 odds of matching), But if they're different, then we KNOW one of you is lying. And if you don't trust me, then pick someone else.

I'm not sure I trust the legospy clearing. He was on my short list of potential SKs. And if dave's scum, he wouldn't know whether someone was a SK or town without actually investigating them. And even then it depends on how the results are phrased (town/not town, vs scum/not scum)

I've got a theory why dave's waiting to name the cleared person. He's scum, and they're waiting to make sure there's no tracker/watcher/blocker/whatever results that will out him when he lies. As soon as voting opens, I plan to vote dave. Between his refusal to reveal (when everyone knows he was the cop, so it's not like he's protecting a source or anything. There's literally NO REASON for him not to have shared the result first thing), brick's explanation that he told dave NOT to take the vig, dave's taking the vig, I think there's plenty of stuff here to lynch him. And yes, that would eliminate the vig costume. So what. It's cost us two townies so far, and with the number of townies falling, at some point the scum will just openly out themselves and take all the good stuff (it's happened before!). So I'm not confident in our ability to hold on to the vig / thief costumes.

I already addressed the potential of brick being scum, and no one has responded. I vote for public reveal of the investigation. we need someone we can trust. And glad that the cleared person is still available to take the thief. NO ONE TAKE A COSTUME WHEN THEY COME UP! WAIT TILL THERE'S A PLAN! The cleared person needs to take the flash cowl, then are there any other costumes that MUST be town controlled?

Well, bob got cursed. Someone make him love himself or something? Yeah, I was trying to avoid being so open with that info. I'll gladly join you in voting jluck, especially since we know now the scum knew the bomb role. But to be clear, the aquaman hair make you feel like Justin Beiber, you have "no night action". Now, I can totally believe that a drunk dave misunderstood the costume rules and grabbed the vig. Should we trust that? Right now I think that whoever he cleared last night but hasn't named is probably the highest odds of being a townie we have. So my vote would be that that person takes the vig tomorrow. Anyone else touching it gets lynched. And TODAY that person should take the flash cowl. When the next batch of costumes is up, don't take that unless you're the person dave cleared or you will be my first vote. If the person dave cleared already took a costume in this first round, then we've got a problem.

Think your drunkenness screwed up your thinking there. Don't think it'd have been randomly assigned, still the rest of the day for someone to pick it. Go sleep. And don't worry, I think brick will be well scrutinized over yesterday.

Dave, I see you're still around the thread. Any reason you're not sharing a result? Gotta talk to the scum team about how to handle it?

what makes you think zeph is trustworthy? I'm not trusting ANYONE right now. Even if dave says someone was cleared, since I don't know that DAVE is town either. And there's redirection happening... just no way to know. And I don't even trust my own reads right now.

Yeah, I agree with Lind. We have no proof that dave's town, so I wasn't happy to see him grab it.

Really, you think I'd be that dumb and obvious? I didn't even look at who had aquaman yesterday, the costumes were up and so I grabbed something. I will say, I can see where Iron Patriot's helmet would be decent for the scum to take, but mencot or JJP (oh wait, he's dead) will verify that aquaman's coif is of no use to the scum whatsoever. Ergo, proof that mencot and I are not both scum. Possible that he is, but I'm not.

dave - have results to share, since we know the cop is legit now (or as dragonfire pointed out, there's a tiny chance it's paranoid, but if you got a town result, then it'd be safe to say it's a legit cop for sure)?

Wait... this may be crazy, but what if there was a bigger ploy at work that backfired? See if you can find a hole in my hypothetical here or not... Tammo and brick are both scum. So they knew they had the cop and vig on day 1. Didn't know there was a second cop in dragonator. So they had tammo claim and brick may or may not have actually investigated him. Doesn't matter since they're both scum. Then... brick came out wiht the scum read, assuming tammo could save himself (like he sure tried to, and when it wasn't working enough, even brick backed off him hoping to save his scumbuddy). The goal would be to make everyone think the cop was insane so that the results from it later would be interpreted wrongly. Could that be possible? The biggest thing against it is HOW vehemently brick fought to lynch tammo yesterday. But he'd have to for it to work - anything less would have been suspicious. It's late and I'm sick and should be in bed, so I'm assuming I'm missing something in my logic. But it crossed my mind, so I threw it out there. Thoughts?

$%^#. #$^#$%#. No, #$^%$&$^@$^%$^! My scum-dar was SO wrong on tammo. I still don't get his plan though - why on EARTH would he come out with the vig? He HAD to know he'd get investigated and caught. Did he really go into that thinking he could pull it off? I guess so, and he did fool me and a few others. Oh, what the heck. 1. Blackbeard's Shag Brickelodeon 2. War Machine's Similar Helmet 3. Joker's Silly Green Hair Dragonfire 4. Iron Patriot's Helmet jluck 5. Aquaman's Coif mostlytechnic

Great design. Planes are hard with their complex shapes, but you made a great looking plane there.