[SoNE Ep. VIII] Watto's betting booth

[BEAVeR]

"Welcome, welcome! Place your bets here! Hey you... I see you're not from around here. Want to earn some money with these podraces huh? Come closer, let old Watto show you how it's done..."

The Goal:

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During this contest, each faction maintains a prediction of the outcome of the building contest in this thread. This prediction has the form of a ranking of players, in the order the faction thinks they will end. Each faction tries to make its prediction as accurate as possible.

How the betting works:

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As soon as a faction has agreed on its predictions, their bets can be placed. These bets can involve players that haven't submitted a creation for the contest yet, and even players that eventually won't have participated. New players can be added at any time to the ranking, and the place of people that are already in the ranking can be changed. However, as soon as a player has submitted his creation in this forum, his position in each ranking becomes fixed. This means that he can't be added to or moved inside the ranking. It is possible that this player still gains or looses some places in the ranks due to the including or moving of other free players. But once a player is fixed, his position relative to other fixed players can't be changed. So place your bets timely and wisely. Below are some examples of what's possible and impossible according to these rules:

The initial ranking is

1. Player A
   
2. Player B
   
3. Player C
   
4. Player D
   

Players A, C and E have already posted their builds. This is noted by drawing a bar through them, indicating their positions are fixed. They are referred to as "fixed entries".

Players B, D and F haven't posted their builds yet. They are referred to as "free entries".

All examples below will start from this ranking.

Adding a person to the ranking:

Possible: adding a player to the list that hasn't published his build yet (i.e. a free entry)

1. Player A
   
2. Player F
   
3. Player B
   
4. Player C
   
5. Player D
   

Impossible: adding a player to the list that has published his build already (i.e. a fixed entry)

1. Player A
   
2. Player E
   
3. Player B
   
4. Player C
   
5. Player D
   

Changing a person's position in the ranking:

Possible: changing the position of a "free entry", whether this causes any number of "fixed entries" to gain or loose a position or not.

1. Player B
   
2. Player A
   
3. Player C
   
4. Player D
   

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N.B.: In the betting thread, this should be stated as "Put Player B on place 1", and NOT as "Put Player A on place 2". To avoid confusion, fixed players should never be mentioned when placing a bet in the betting thread.

Impossible: changing the position of a "fixed entry" relative to another "fixed entry".

1. Player C
   
2. Player A
   
3. Player B
   
4. Player D
   

N.B.: Fixed entries can take a new place in the ranking though, like in the example above.

Submitting a bet:Both rankings will be kept track of in this post. When internal discussion in each faction has lead to a prediction, two individual players of that faction have to post those prediction in this thread. This is to prevent abuse from single players, acting without permission of the faction. Bets have to be placed in the following form: "Put <insert player name here> on place <insert place number here>" . This form applies to both adding new players to the ranking and changing the position of a player in the ranking.

Scoring of the bets:When the episode is finished, all players that participated are fixed, and players that didn't participate will be removed form the rankings. No changes can be made to the rankings. When the scores of the judges are published, this implies the actual ranking. Each faction will then get 1 betting point for every "player A > player B" situation they predicted correctly. The total betting score will be divided by the best possible score (if the eventual ranking would have been flawlessly predicted). This fraction will be multiplied by 25 (so that the betting points won't outweigh the regular points too much). This number will be added to the score for the builds in order to determine which faction has won.

Questions and Answers:

• Q: Will the betting in any way affect the score I get?
  
• A: No, the betting will only be used to help to determine which faction wins this round. Your position in the predictions will have no effect on the number of XP you get. That is equal to the number of XP the judges give you, and not directly related to your position in the final ranking.
  

• Q: Are we allowed to have individual rankings?
  
• A: No, there is one predictive ranking for each faction, and that will be managed by discussion with the entire faction in the corresponding threads of the Avenger and the Redemption​.
  

• Q: How do we post multiple predictions at once?
  
• A: Two persons of the faction just have to enter a list containing the "Put <insert player name here> on place <insert place number here>" statements mentioned above. One post can contain as many bets as you like, as long as someone else of your faction posts the same bets.
  

The Galactic Empire's predictions:

1. markus1984
   
2. Disco86
   
3. Bob De Quatre
   
4. WickNole
   
5. Ninja Nin
   
6. LegoFjotten
   
7. MstrOfPppts
   
8. goatman461
   
9. LucasLaughing
   
10. Jacob Nion
    
11. TWP
    
12. Covi
    
13. Wat Tambor
    
14. Donnie Bricko
    
15. Rook
    
16. Lord Vladivus
    
17. MKJoshA
    
18. Jakorin Swiftsword
    
19. Graham Gidman
    
20. Pointblank
    
21. BEAVeR
    
22. Lord Tyrus
    
23. Mr Greeble
    
24. Commander Beltar
    
25. Lobot
    
26. Artizan
    
27. Jannik
    
28. Kaitan
    
29. Masked Builder
    
30. Andrew Spader
    
31. Nom Carver
    
32. Lego Spy
    
33. Kodan Black
    
34. rogueang
    
35. GallardoLU
    
36. floed
    
37. pihlbrick
    
38. narbilu
    
39. TaseTJ
    
40. KuatDriveYards
    
41. Flare
    
42. Wedge09
    
43. VK-318
    
44. Commander Smith
    
45. Aland1916
    
46. MontyPython
    
47. Tariq j
    
48. Mr Breden
    
49. Behemoth (Goliath)
    
50. Dapper-D2
    
51. Fleet
    
52. Legofin2012
    
53. Mr Man
    
54. Manx
    
55. KevFett2011
    
56. OHarra
    
57. Bkrosell
    
58. James Wellington
    
59. LegoFan117
    
60. Captain Settle
    
61. Dragonfire
    
62. korpen4444
    
63. theman4090
    
64. Scorch93
    

The Rebel Alliance's predictions:

1. Monty Python
   
2. goatman461
   
3. MstrOfPppts
   
4. Ninja Nin
   
5. BEAVeR
   
6. WickNole
   
7. LucasLaughing
   
8. Disco86
   
9. markus1984
   
10. MKJoshA
    
11. Flare
    
12. Sebeus I
    
13. Pointblank
    
14. LegoFjotten
    
15. Donnie Bricko
    
16. Artizan
    
17. Wat Tambor
    
18. Lord Tyrus
    
19. Manx
    
20. Wedge09
    
21. VK-318
    
22. Lego Spy
    
23. Oharra
    
24. Commander Beltar
    
25. Bob De Quatre
    
26. Dapper-D2
    
27. Fleet
    
28. Mr Greeble
    
29. Kodan Black
    
30. Legofin2012
    
31. James Wellington
    
32. Jannik
    
33. LordVladivus
    
34. GallardoLU
    
35. KevFett2011
    
36. Kaitan
    
37. Rook
    
38. Aland1916
    
39. TWP
    
40. Tariq j
    
41. philbrick
    
42. Covi
    
43. Lobot
    
44. Nom Carver
    
45. Masked Builder
    
46. rogueang
    
47. Mr Man
    
48. Behemoth (Goliath)
    
49. Kuat Drive Yards
    
50. Dragonfire
    
51. narbilu
    
52. theman4090
    
53. Bkrosell
    
54. Mr Breden
    
55. Captain Settle
    
56. LegoFan117
    
57. korpen4444
    
58. Pyrovisionary
    
59. JaseTJ
    
60. Ritz Brick
    
61. BobThePom
    
62. SlimShady
    
63. hench
    

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Players who've already entered:

Graham Gidman, Jakorin Swiftsword, goatman461, Kodan Black, Lord Tyrus, MontyPython, Commander Beltar, Dragonfire, Jannik, Tariq j, MstrOfPppts, Donnie Bricko, Jacob Nion, LucasLaughing, WickNole

(last updated 3 May 2015)

[WickNole]

The Rebel Alliance places the following bet:

Put MstrOfPppts on place 1

Put BEAVeR on place 2

Put LucasLaughing on place 3

Put Disco86 on place 4

Put markus1984 on place 5

Put goatman461 on place 6

Put Flare on place 7

Put Sebeus I on place 8

Put Pointblank on place 9

Put Artizan on place 10

Put Wat Tambor on place 11

Put Lord Tyrus on place 12

Put VK-318 on place 13

Put Lego Spy on place 14

Put Commander Beltar on place 15

Put Mr Greeble on place 16

Put Kodan Black on place 17

Put Legofin2012 on place 18

Put James Wellington on place 19

Put GallardoLU on place 20

Put KevFett2011 on place 21

Put Tariq j on place 22

Put Lobot on place 23

Put Nom Carver on place 24

Put Masked Builder on place 25

Put TaseTJ on place 26

Put Mr Man on place 27

Put Behemoth (Goliath) on place 28

Put Kuat Drive Yards on place 29

Put Dragonfire on place 30

Put theman4090 on place 31

Put Mr Bredan on place 32

Put Captain Settle on place 33

Put korpen4444 on place 34

Put JaseTJ on place 35

Put Ritz Brick on place 36

Put SlimShady on place 37

Edited March 15, 2015 by WickNole

[BEAVeR]

I'd like to remind you that two individual players have to submit the same predictions for them to be included as the official bets for the faction. So now someone else from the Rebels has to copy WickNole's post above and post it, if WickNole is indeed communicating what the Rebels think as a whole. Only then will the first post be updated with the predictions.

The predictions above are only about Imperial players. This maybe because of tactical reasons, but it doesn't hurt if I remind you that your final ranking can include Imperial and Rebel players in a single list.

[MKJoshA]

I back up WickNole's bet:

The Rebel Alliance places the following bet:

Put MstrOfPppts on place 1

Put BEAVeR on place 2

Put LucasLaughing on place 3

Put Disco86 on place 4

Put markus1984 on place 5

Put goatman461 on place 6

Put Flare on place 7

Put Sebeus I on place 8

Put Pointblank on place 9

Put Artizan on place 10

Put Wat Tambor on place 11

Put Lord Tyrus on place 12

Put VK-318 on place 13

Put Lego Spy on place 14

Put Commander Beltar on place 15

Put Mr Greeble on place 16

Put Kodan Black on place 17

Put Legofin2012 on place 18

Put James Wellington on place 19

Put GallardoLU on place 20

Put KevFett2011 on place 21

Put Tariq j on place 22

Put Lobot on place 23

Put Nom Carver on place 24

Put Masked Builder on place 25

Put TaseTJ on place 26

Put Mr Man on place 27

Put Behemoth (Goliath) on place 28

Put Kuat Drive Yards on place 29

Put Dragonfire on place 30

Put theman4090 on place 31

Put Mr Bredan on place 32

Put Captain Settle on place 33

Put korpen4444 on place 34

Put JaseTJ on place 35

Put Ritz Brick on place 36

Put SlimShady on place 37

[Kodan Black]

The Galactic Empire wishes to place the following Rebel bets:

Put WickNole on place 1

Put Bob De Quatre on place 2

Put Ninja Nin on place 3

Put LegoFjotten on place 4

Put Jacob Nion on place 5

Put TWP on place 6

Put Covi on place 7

Put Rook on place 8

Put Jakorin Swiftsword on place 9

Put Donnie Bricko on place 10

Put LordVladivus on place 11

Put MKJoshA on place 12

Put Graham Gidman on place 13

Put Kaitan on place 14

Put Andrew Spader on place 15

Put Jannik on place 16

Put rogueang on place 17

Put pihlbrick on place 18

Put Wedge09 on place 19

Put narbilu on place 20

Put Commander Smith on place 21

Put Aland1916 on place 22

Put MontyPython on place 23

Put Fleet on place 24

Put Dapper-D2 on place 25

Put Manx on place 26

Put OHarra on place 27

Put Bkrosell on place 28

Put LegoFan117 on place 29

[goatman461]

ditto

[Kodan Black]

Put Lord Tyrus on place 1

[goatman461]

ditto

[goatman461]

Put Bob De Quatre on place 1

Put WickNole on place 2

Put Ninja Nin on place 3

Put LegoFjotten on place 4

Put Jacob Nion on place 5

Put TWP on place 6

Put Covi on place 7

Put Rook on place 8

Put Donnie Bricko on place 9

Put LordVladivus on place 10

Put MKJoshA on place 11

Put Jakorin Swiftsword on place 12

Put Graham Gidman on place 13

Put Tyrus on place 14

Put Kaitan on place 15

Put Andrew Spader on place 16

Put Jannik on place 17

Put rogueang on place 18

Put pihlbrick on place 19

Put Wedge09 on place 20

Put narbilu on place 21

Put Commander Smith on place 22

Put Aland1916 on place 23

Put MontyPython on place 24

Put Fleet on place 25

Put Dapper-D2 on place 26

Put Manx on place 27

Put OHarra on place 28

Put Bkrosell on place 29

Put LegoFan117 on place 30

(Edit: ...Please)

Edited April 27, 2015 by goatman461

[Kodan Black]

I concur with Mr Goat's updated list.

[WickNole]

Alliance places the following bet (as this is a bit complicated to but all new bets inbetween previously placed ones - therefore the existing bets are marked with stated places, and the new ones are put between them - i hope this would be acceptable for Watto):

1 MstrOfPppts

Ninja Nin

2 BEAVeR

3 LucasLaughing

4 Disco86

MontyPython

5 markus1984

6 goatman461

mkjosha

7 Flare

8 Sebeus I

9 Pointblank

LegoFjotten

Donnie Bricko

10 Artizan

11 Wat Tambor

12 Lord Tyrus

Manx

Wedge09

13 VK-318

14 Lego Spy

Oharra

15 Commander Beltar

Bob De Quatre

Dapper-D2

Fleet

16 Mr Greeble

17 Kodan Black

18 Legofin2012

19 James Wellington

Jakorin Swiftsword

Jannik

LordVladivus

20 GallardoLU

21 KevFett2011

Graham Gidman

Kaitan

Rook

Aland1916

TWP

22 Tariq j

philbrick

Covi

23 Lobot

24 Nom Carver

25 Masked Builder

rogueang

26 Mr Man

27 Behemoth (Goliath)

28 Kuat Drive Yards

29 Dragonfire

narbilu

30 theman4090

Bkrosell

31 Mr Breden

32 Captain Settle

LegoFan117

33 korpen4444

Pyrovisionary

Hobbythom

34 JaseTJ

35 Ritz Brick

BobThePom

36 SlimShady

hench

[MKJoshA]

I ditto WickNole's bet.

[BEAVeR]

Updated the rankings. Dear members of the Rebel Alliance, I did not include Jakorin Swiftsword and Graham Gidman in your predictions, because they already posted their entries before you submitted your list. Therefor, they couldn't be added to your list. Your loosing valuable points here, so take care to coordinate your posting and betting!

The Imperials changed their ranking a bit, but Jakorin Swiftsword and Graham Gidman didn't change positions in the ranking, so that's allowed.

[WickNole]

Understood. Agreed.

[goatman461]

Put markus1984 on place 1

Put Disco86 on place 2

Put Bob De Quatre on place 3

Put WickNole on place 4

Put Ninja Nin on place 5

Put LegoFjotten on place 6

Put MstrOfPpts on place 7

Put goatman461 on place 8

Put Lucas Laughing on place 9

Put Jacob Nion on place 10

Put TWP on place 11

Put Covi on place 12

Put Wat Tambor on place 13

Put Donnie Bricko on place 14

Put Rook on place 15

Put LordVladivus on place 16

Put MKJoshA on place 17

Put Jakorin Swiftsword on place 18

Put Graham Gidman on place 19

Put Pointblank on place 20

Put BEAVeR on place 21

Put Lord Tyrus on place 22

Put Mr Greeble on place 23

Put Commander Beltar on place 24

Put Lobot on place 25

Put Artizan on place 26

Put Jannik on place 27

Put Kaitan on place 28

Put Masked Builder on place 29

Put Andrew Spader on place 30

Put Nom Carver on place 31

Put Lego Spy on place 32

Put Kodan Black on place 33

Put rogueang on place 34

Put GallardoLU on place 35

Put floed on place 36

Put pihlbrick on place 37

Put narbilu on place 38

Put TaseTJ on place 39

Put KDY on place 40

Put Flare on place 41

Put Wedge09 on place 42

Put VK-318 on place 43

Put Commander Smith on place 44

Put Aland1916 on place 45

Put MontyPython on place 46

Put Tariq j on place 47

Put Mr Bredan on place 48

Put Goliath on place 49

Put Dapper-D2 on place 50

Put Fleet on place 51

Put Legofin2012 on place 52

Put Mr Man on place 53

Put Manx on place 54

Put KevFett2011 on place 55

Put OHarra on place 56

Put Bkrosell on place 57

Put James Wellington on place 58

Put LegoFan117 on place 59

Put Captain Settle on place 60

Put Dragonfire on place 61

Put korpen4444 on place 62

Put theman4090 on place 63

Put Scorch93 on place 64

[Kodan Black]

I'll echo Mr Goatman's post.

[WickNole]

Alliance places the following bet:

1. goatman461
   
2. MstrOfPppts - move to place 2
   
3. Ninja Nin - move to place 3
   
4. BEAVeR - move to place 4
   
5. WickNole - new bet to place 5
   
6. LucasLaughing - move to place 6
   
7. Disco86 - move to place 7
   
8. Monty Python - move to place 8
   
9. markus1984 - move to place 9
   

[Jannik]

I second Wick Nole's bet

[BEAVeR]

Dear members of the Rebel Alliance,

I'm sorry to announce the latest bet you placed is not compliant with the rules. In your previous ranking, you placed MontyPython above goatman461. Both have posted their builds before you placed your new bets, in which goatman461 comes above Monty Python. So two players that have already posted their build change places. This is against the rules.

For now, I'll just place MontyPython above goatman461 while I take your other bets. It's up to you to decide where both players end up now, as long as players who've already posted don't swap places. So act quickly!

[WickNole]

As MontyPython was above goatman461, when they both posted, we're unable to change their position. Therefore, yes, he should remain on place 1 and goatman461 on place two.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but do I understand correctly that if we place multiple bet in one post - do ALL lines need to comply with the rules? Or is each line treated separately (i.e. like in previous post - when Monthy were not accepted while other lines were)?

[BEAVeR]

Ideally, of course, all bets should comply with the rules, so we're talking about an exception here. However, I understand that it's very hard to discuss the bets in group now so close to the deadline, therefore I'll accept posts with here and there an error, as long as it's somewhat clear to me how to post your bets according to the rules. I try to do this as well as possible, but please don't come complaining afterwards, as the errors are your responsibility.