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I can see people's frustration with that... I have that frustration to a point too. I look forward to OT sets every wave and there are sets that I would love them to produce... I think all OT fans know what they are... but where Hoth was disappointing due to being a few older sets repackaged with some new elements and then promoted as something entirely new I think the DS was always planned to be released this way. It's just that hype got in the way. It'll be out in a few weeks and people will be able to pick it up or leave it as they see fit. We then have next years UCS slots to look forward to... if one of them is the Snowspeeder then fine, let's hope it's a good build. We have the rest of the 2017 speculation thread to build up whatever the other set is. As much as I love SW sets there are times when i'm glad a wave is short of OT sets so i can catch up with things. I didn't commit to TFA sets until I watched the film and I'm probably more sold on RO due to it's OT proximity so I'll have those to pick up too. If every wave was killer OT sets I'd have to have a serious conversation with my wife.

I agree that I think Lego always intended to update this set and release with updated figures and updated price point. Nobody from TLG ever said it was going to be any different as it didn't need to be. The accusation that Lego and the designers are being lazy is, ironically, a lazy one.

And at that stage it shouldn't make it past submission review... If it does the it'll make around 12 votes from friends and family and disappear into the void. As it should. We're not talking about kids submitting crap here. The Landspeeder is a superb build and if it was released as a SW UCS set I'd probably buy it. It at least has the benefit of being completely different scale to any other speeder Lego has done. Do I think it'll pass review and be released as an Ideas set? No, I don't. This is where Ideas has the secondary value of working as a prompt to show there is interest in a large speeder... But it also becomes a Facebook for MOCs... Generating likes. As others have said a great MOC doesn't necessarily mean a good Lego set and great MOCs don't always need an Ideas link at the end of its description. Wanting exposure for a build and getting likes for it is fine but that's where Ideas is becoming different from its original purpose. At least that's how I see it. It's going to be a matter of opinion and I don't think either 'side' will convince the other which is right... and neither should they. I think I formed my opinion by people saying that Cuusoo was failing because people didn't see the sets they wanted go into production and how sets such as the Sandcrawler and Helicarrier both achieve 10K votes, fail review and then have smaller versions (although both UCS) come out quite soon afterwards, to then have some people say Lego ripped off those sets. It's just not the case... and Lego isn't failing if it doesn't put the UCS Landspeeder into production. Do I think it's just down to the idea? No. Do I think it's just down to the build? No. Do I think the build IS the idea? No. The quality of the build should be a given.

You're still not getting it... Or not reading it right. The idea is one thing. The build is another. Both need to be right. An AT-ST is a poor idea. Why? Because Lego has already done it... Many times. It's not original regardless of how good it is because it had been done. They won't release it as an Ideas set because they've already done it and will do it several times again. Wall-E was a more original idea that several people had... One build was better than others and reached 10k votes. It passed review and it was released. Same designer could then submit a Bat Tumbler. It would be a poor idea because it's been released. Several times, regardless of the build. Millennium Falcon... Poor idea. Regardless of build. X-Wing... Poor idea regardless of build. New BTTF Delorean... Poor idea regardless of build. Any set that has be made by Lego before is a poor idea. And regardless of what Lego say I don't ever see an Ideas set having DC, Marvel or SW content. Caterham... Better idea... Never done by Lego and the winner was probably the better build and reached 10k. No matter whether it's a D2C set, UCS set or system scale set it will still need to be able to be built by someone who may never have built a set before even at age 12 as that will be the age on it. MOC builders have no restrictions on how they build but Lego designers will have many. Please don't say their designers are poor again... It comes across as misinformed and incredibly naive. If Cuusoo meant 'Materialising Wishes' then each submission must start with 'I wish Lego would make a...' If Lego have already made what you wish for then how can that be a good idea?

Regardless of whether or not I think you've missed the point of Lego Ideas I certainly think you've missed the point of my posts as Jamesn has pointed out. The reason those other Wall-Es didnt make it is because they weren't as good a build and didn't attract enough votes. Dr Who, BBT... No different to Ghostbusters in the sense of building a set based off of something new to Lego. Once 10k votes reached its up to Lego to see if it's worth approaching the license holders. Lego may already have been working on the Dr Who license once CB lost it. If they just thought 10k votes was worth pickling up a license then Zelda would have been out a long time ago. And as for Lego's designers being poor? Really? The largest toy company in the world has got there regardless of having poor designers? You paint a picture of Lego looking over at MOC creators with green eyes... Wishing they only had those working for them instead of the team of incompetents they seemingly have.

It's called Lego Ideas. Why don't they just shut it down then if everything 'already exists + Lego'. The reason Lego can produce another Falcon is because it's their brick system and their toy and they have the license... That's different from having a site to let people to submit something original and they just submit a Falcon. Marshalbanana doesn't need to add his build to Ideas... It's a great build but he probably knows that if Lego were planning a large Falcon again they wouldn't need his submission to do so... Or need his design for it. They have some quite good designers at Lego as it stands. They also don't have the freedom to just build as they would a MOC but they manage to put out hundreds of excellent sets a year. Ideas isn't a MOC shop whether people want it to be or not. It's about both having an idea to make something not already done in Lego and then building it properly. It's not one without the other. Just because something is built well doesn't mean it should be in Ideas. Seriously... Think about whether it's a good MOC or whether it's an original idea that's built to the right standard that would warrant someone buying it. Lego review sets and improve or alter things as they see fit so the idea is actually quite important. A good idea with poor build won't get anywhere... Or shouldn't. It shouldn't matter whether Lego does another Delorean... And they won't... If someone doesn't like the one released just MOC a new version but don't submit it to Ideas. That's just stupid. Imagine submitting a revised Delorean as an original idea to a site that previously released a Delorean that you just didn't like the build of. I mentioned Cavegod's AT-AT because it was submitted to Ideas and the instructions are available but people can build what they like and feel free to change or improve things where they see fit. I'd actually ask people to think about their submission as a verbal pitch to Lego as if in an interview. --------- 'Hi... Welcome to Lego Ideas. This is your chance to submit an original idea created by you in Lego form. So what's your idea?' I've made a Police Station.' 'You know we've made quite a few of those already... they're a staple of our City line. We release one of those every couple of years as they're good sellers to new and existing buyers. Is yours significantly different in scale or build from one of our existing sets?....' --------- Every single set selected by Ideas has been able to offer something new to the Lego catalogue. Brent's Tumbler for example... great build but not far off the scale of the version released by Lego with the joker chase set. How would that have fared in a verbal pitch regardless of how good the build was. ECTO-1 was something else entirely and hit the bullseye. Great build and not previously released... thus becoming the start of a new license. The Falcon, X-Wings, Snowspeeders, Batmobiles, Bat Caves etc... they're staples of Lego's existing license strategy and will never be absent that long from our shelves. They will never be an Ideas release. If you can build ANYTHING in the world from Lego as an original idea (original because it hasn't been released by Lego previously) then why build something they've already done several times as your original submission? I think by saying NOTHING is an original idea because it already exists in the universe and you just have to build it in bricks is missing the point of Lego Cuusoo and Ideas.

Probably best to add this info to the UK Sales thread here in the B/S/T forum: http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=25314&st=2250

I just get tired of seeing a MOC and then find a link to the Ideas submission. When I joined EB three years ago there was a thread about Cuusoo and I commented on the various projects that were up for review and the Exo Suit was the eventual winner. I described a few of the sets as poor and commented that I thought the Tumbler submission at the time was lazy. Brent Waller designed and submitted that Tumbler and he asked me to explain why I though it was lazy. I told him that the 'idea' was lazy, not the build. Would I have bought the Tumbler if it was released? Yes. Do I think it was a good Ideas submission? No. If anything has been made by Lego in any scale then it's a poor 'Idea' and shouldn't be on there. That's lazy. Mazes exist but there are no Lego mazes and both the build and execution to bring that project to market was an original idea. The very early Cuusoo sets of the satellites were original ideas. The Hayabusa was a very well designed and original build and not relating to any existing Lego product. The focus on licensed sets can be exciting for people wanting to own Marty McFly minifigures but I'm not overtly a fan of just bringing new licenses to the party as a way of getting votes and selling sets. Brent eventually got there with the Ghostbusters set which has then led to the HQ and Dimensions sets. Echo-1 was and is as excellent build and I bought it day one. I still think the Tumbler was a lazy submission. I, rightly or wrongly, consider any AT-AT, AT-ST, X-Wing, Millennium Falcon or TIE Fighter a lazy submission because Lego has already made it. It's a lazy idea because Lego has already done it regardless of how well someone may build it. If you want to submit a SW vehicle then find one that hasn't been done. The only plus to these submissions I can see is to let Lego know that there is a desire for these larger sets to be made but with that comes the issue the Sandcrawler had... It must have already been on the table with Lego and the massive submission of the Sandcrawler was rejected only for Lego's smaller UCS to hit the shelves less than a year later. Then we have the 'Lego ripped him off and it's not as good as the Cussoo set' comments. Tough. If the Cuusoo Sandcrawler only served to give Lego a nod to how popular their impending release then fine... and the world got to see a great MOC of a (close to) minifig scale Sandcrawler. Cavegod's AT-AT will forever be held up as the holy grail of AT-ATs and it's an incredible build but it's now an albatross around Lego's neck that any AT-AT that isn't released at that size won't be as good and people will always compare it to Cavegod's. As people BrickLink 10179 Falcons and mod them like ScottishDave I think people should BL Cavegod's to the build a similarly revered and incredibly scaled walker.

They're not. For a start the cockpit comfortably fits 4 people in the Falcon (4 chairs but can accommodate more easily) whereas 7965/75105 just about fits 2. The cockpit in 7965/75105 is also slightly oversized and out of scale from the rest of the set compared to the studio model. The Falcon is also more than twice the length of an X-Wing and the 9493 is pretty much minifig scale... 7965/75015 is certainly not over twice the length of that. While it might look good photographed with minifigures it's not minifig scale. Apologies by the way. I've typed this in response forgetting what thread it was and realised the whole conversation is off topic.

I don't think they care about the exclusivity of 10179. If they released another large Falcon it wouldn't make 10179 disappear but it would give them a chance to update certain things to improve the design such as reworking the cockpit. I don't think protecting the value of certain items on the secondary market is remotely in their thoughts when putting together a sales plan.

Did the SSD have other vehicles on the box too? Just that on the DS there's also Y, B and X Wings as well as Tie Fighters silhouetted. They obviously have research that tells them it'll sell... And I'm sure it will. I'm sure in the next couple of years we'll have a £500+ model. That's why they have waves with sets from £8 upwards... There will always be people that can afford swts whatever the cost.

Onlinesailin produced a digital print that may match this... If not then there was a pad printed custom by a small customiser that did this fig... Although much better. I'm actually about to order the pad fig.

That figure with dark blue arms and legs might work really well actually.

I think that's definitely now part of the figure briefing. ;)

It's Bright Light Blue for the head and Medium Blue for the torso and legs.

Light grey are Ground Force Officers I think. Dark Grey are Starlet and Black are Stormtrooper... or so a link I found says. His insignia seem to show darker colours being on the left, whether that be red I'm not sure. There seems to be an image of Han and Luke leaving the turbo lift with Chewie on the way to the detention centre which has an officer which matches this uniform with similar insignia coding on his chest. Another great example of previously unknown and unimportant character suddenly getting exposure.

Well you're allowed to describe sets but not allowed to post confidential images or any leaked images that may go against Lego's wishes. As a new member it's up to each individual member whether they choose to believe it. Having information confirmed by one of the longer standing and reliable sources here can help as well as ultimately being right about things when they're released. I'd say you were free to say what you know or are prepared to share.

Is there anything in particular you're looking for? I've put together a few purist(ish) customs and there are people on eBay who sell digitally printed Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw torsos to expand your Hogwarts classes. A few people I've seen have created more students from the book character by picking up torsos on Bricklink and adding different heads and hair to make characters such as Pansy Parkinson. There's also a very good purist Mundungus Fletcher in the licensed forum with the Harry Potter Character Portraits.

Having zoomed in a bit there's definitely a light bley officer tunic similar to the image posted above by Iomis. The black tunic officer in the detention centre is also definitely updated to be more accurate to the ANH scene.

There are a couple of Imperial Officers that are new but I agree with Han's legs. Making them dual moulded with side print would have made something that probably couldn't have been upgraded.

They're probably happy you spent what you did last year but are aware that you may not spend it this year. There'll be thousands of people that will have spent more than you or I last year and will do so again this year and again next year. This 40+ yr old is happy when there's sets I'm interested in and doesn't really mind if there isn't. Not every wave will be geared towards me but I know that there will be different waves over different years that will have me spending a lot and some waves that will have me spending a little.

Personally I think it's fine. They've updated the 10188 with some very slight modifications and updated the figure line up. I personally don't consider UCS slots as valuable or precious in any way. They're just two large sets that will be released alongside the regular waves every single year. Sometimes they'll be something you want and sometimes they won't. This is not a lazy designer issue in the slightest. Designers don't walk away after being briefed and just look up the instructions for 10188 and make a couple of slight mods to then re-present it to the marketing team. This was planned by Lego from before retiring 10188 and the hype train just took it along and built it into a frenzy. Same as each year we don't get Cloud City or a new UCS Falcon there'll be disappointment... and none of it will be down to lazy designers. There'll be a Death Star on the shelves for many years that Lego will now consider to be priced according to their new SW pricing structure and each year from now we'll continue to get two UCS sets. If next year they release a re-do of 10179 people won't mention 75159 or Assault on Hoth... but they'll be there for people to buy if they want them. Could it have been something different or new? Yes. Is it? No. Lego's marketing and research teams scheduled this release as they believe it's the set that fits their audiences needs at this time whether we agree with them or not.

Thanks for those. Print looks good but some of the design and artwork just looks a little off to me especially considering they're copying existing designs for all but one of them. I might pick them up just for a couple of the elements such as the masked head of the Hydra Cap and his printed arms. I might also use the Christo Cap to update a second version of that I have with the better arm and leg printing. It's the Bucky Cap that doesn't look that good to me. The pouches don't look right on it and the head is a little too simplistic. Might see if a regular Lego dark blue Cap head would work better on it for the detail. Honestly... If DLP let me design a wave for them and they got the print as good as some of those Spiderman figs they'd be amazing.

I wouldn't say it's down to negative comments. I think Lego just want to try and control the leak of the images and ultimately this also includes the discussion of those images hence the mods have locked it to give the thread some time to breath. I honestly don't think it's just down to derogatory comments. Edit. Ninja'd.

True... I can't see Tatooine Han on the box at all. Also... although it's nice to have the Falcon on there and have some glimmer of hope it's an easter egg it dulls the sensation to also see a Y-Wing, B, Wing, 4 X-Wings and several TIEs on there also albeit less obvious.