Fallenangel

But then it would have been even more expensive...

Wow, they're really off. Whoops. I was referring to the illustration shown in the Episode III Incredible Cross-Sections (in which the ship is portrayed as being stubby and fat). Another reason why I have largely stopped using 'official' sources like the Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels as reference. Yes, I agree, and I'll say that in spite of its inaccuracies it's really good.

I think that I am at fault here for not being specific enough. There are child-oriented movies and shows that are enjoyable for people of all ages (WALL-E comes to mind) and then there are some slightly less enjoyable kids' shows and films which may be great for kids but which a different demographic would find unappealing (for many, The Phantom Menace, to name one). I guess to suggest that all kids' shows or only kids' shows are like this was wrong since it's definitely not limited to those (Judd Apatow's Superbad...) I will say The Clone Wars does seem to have its good moments but what I wanted to say in my previous post was that it also has a fair amount of poor dialogue. And I share this opinion on the Expanded Universe (though I will say that the Thrawn Trilogy was quite good in my opinion). Yes, I know about the clone Emperor and the prawnpeople. (Good thing there were also E-wings and World Devastators...) Agreed. Wait, this is the finale story arc? Random Trandoshans and a miniature Ki-Adi Mundi? What about the war?

No offense, but it's a little odd that you would think of asking for building instructions to someone's model without even knowing if there were any. From what I can see of Curtis Black's model most of the construction is fairly straightforward (stacked bricks) so with the number of pictures provided it shouldn't be too difficult, buildwise, to approximate something similar. I'm glad that there's at least one other person who's also concerned about proportions on an MOC. If I remember correctly you even mentioned on SeTechnic that the proportions on Black's model were pretty off as well. Even though it's not intended to be a model I think having something close to the correct proportions on an MOC of something is important because often it just looks better. I think the reason the proportions are so skewed is because the MOC might have been based on this. Can I borrow this...? I agree with what you said (even worse, because getting proportions about right would be relatively easy in a model of this size - I think it looks too phallic, and apparently he does too). It's admittedly ironic, though, that you had a similar issue before. BrickCommander works for LEGO? I wonder how he feels about his job.

I'm confused...

Or 'Your failure to accept that you're really bad at video gaming...' (I know I am!) Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that the series appears to be arranged in scattered story arcs while the films are presented in chronological order.

I really don't get why all these Fellows are bitching about my comments. Never mind. @Roncanator: The model is in pieces so at the moment there is no 'overall' pic to speak of unless you all want to see a pile of plate constructions (which MetroiD obviously does not want to see. Eh, they're bred in captivity now*...). I posted this as an unfinished MOC because I wanted help on the nose. I didn't really get what I wanted, but I did get a lot of other stuff, some of which was helpful, some of which was not. I think I'll just dig up the version 8 thread and put up the next set of pictures as WIP there once I'm finished getting rid of as many studs as possible. (Sure wish these damn tiles were bigger - everything falls apart whenever someone walks by it.) I thought the back part was finished too but it turns out the engines look ugly which of course means I've got to change them. *If you've played Fusion you probably know what I mean.

Thanks Anio, and since so many people have commented on it I will go ahead and get rid of the brickbuilt engines (SNOT galore). I will also try and tile over the wings (as originally planned). Looks like I'll have to tear apart my other midi-scale set for parts as well... But there is one thing that I cannot change regardless of stability, and that is the illegal SNOT construction in the forward fuselage because the hexagonal nose has stumped me since the beginning of this project (i.e . version ONE) and I finally got it. So I guess what I’m really asking is, how can I make tiles and bricks and such work with the SNOT nose (especially as it is now only three or four studs tall at its thickest point)? Or would I be compensating aesthetic quality for accuracy by doing this? Because to me this design looks really nice, even better than the plate construction in the rear did when I figured it out with version 8 (by the way, that has been improved as well – all I can say is it’s wonderful) I remember having gone through this with you and the Slave I and you’re still right. That’s why dateman’s and Brucey-wan’s X-wings look great even though they’re both pretty blocky. I do understand what you mean about the LEGO adaptations, though I have to ask, how much do you "adapt" a model? Where's the limit? The thing is that there's a lot less to say about a model when you take the accuracy factor out. (I mean, you could almost say that 6212 is good!) Hmm... I don’t suppose KimT or KielDaMan could merge this as a continuation of version 8 then? (And by the way, it’s not every version, only the ones that are halfway decent, which are only from version 6 onward. Versions 2 through 5 are just ) Yet you are supporting the illegal nose build... Was that a jab? The nose section was really what I needed help on, so I only photographed that section; I didn't expect an outrage over studs and blocky engines. For now, while I rework the ship feast your eyes upon version 8 which has a squatter rear fuselage, skinny wings, a poorly integrated canopy, and a clunky nose and engines but is otherwise fairly well proportioned... it's also studded, but it's still the best one I've done. (version 7 was even more studded.)

That's what I'm intending to do, at least until I can pull enough parts together to build a UCS rendition. In fact, this SNOT nose is more or less the last big step.

Either it's just me or there are more variations of my username than anyone else in the Star Wars subforum. Yes, it is... and not only that, I think that 10179 is also the most accurate of all the UCS sets, which makes it all the better. LEGO really took a hint from Pepa that time.

Agreed. And the ground force was quite sizable indeed.

Because kids still buy them. The set's been out for FIVE YEARS & counting. It's still on Shop@Home too.

Sorry marshal_banana. It's not that I don't like your model (it has many good points to it, something I mentioned earlier), I just think that there's more to an X-wing than not having studs. Not to mention that your model got a lot more Net publicity than any of the other five did (it made it to The Brothers Brick, for example...) Anyway thanks! It's great to hear from an MOC Expert.

Nothing suggests that stormtroopers were clones either. It’s not that I expected a war without clones; it’s just that I didn’t expect the war to be fought by clones that nobody can really care about. Who’s going to cry over the death of CT-1284? Taun We? To disagree with that, I will ask you to explain why the Coruscant we see in Sith was so shiny and clean when there is a war going on (especially seeing as Coruscant was the site of a major battle only a few days before). Okay, so the Lemur things in “Jedi Crash” were an exception. I suppose so, but not when they’re around for such a short time (Again, Nahdar Vebb...) While I do agree with the former statement, the latter would essentially be the Yuuzhan Vong war...

Thanks for the comments everyone. I will definitely have to slim down the nose and put some more tiles on the wings.

Well, The Force Unleashed isn't G-canon, so not according to George! Having seen parts of those episodes, there does seem to be a fair amount of violence. But while I see a lot of clone and stranger deaths, I don't see a whole lot of civilian or even Jedi deaths. This Kalifa person pretty much dies before we learn anything about her (not unlike Nahdar Vebb...). And Trandoshan hunting hardly has anything to do with a war between the Republic and the Separatists, so I'd say most of the violence in this episode was... pointless. And I guess this is more of a Prequels thing, but one of the disappointing things about Lucas' Clone Wars was that the primary factions of the Clone Wars were clones (led by Jedi?) and toys battle droids. The Clone Wars were supposed be wars that nobody wanted to remember, but these clones are grown in tubes by the thousands, lacking any sort of family or societal role or really anything that makes them people. They're like free-spawning AI units in some video game. I sure don't care about these clones, nor do I feel anything for the battle droids (obviously). The terrors of these Clone Wars escape me. And don't get me wrong, this applies to the '03 series as well. It's just that they did slightly better by putting more familiar Jedi in danger (Obi-wan, Anakin, Shaak Ti) instead of introducing random characters to kill off. (Not that we can really care much about those Jedi either since we learn next to nothing about them from the films.)

Okay, I'm just going to wipe this thread until something's actually built...

Wow, so many screencaps! But isn't there an easier way to view them than as twenty thousand links? There are a couple of really nice reference shots in there, but I don't have time to click through three pages of one-liners to find them. I can see someone is a very big Led Zeppelin fan as well... After having watched my first episode of THE Clone Wars in years, I must say I saw several of the things that turned me away from the show in the first place. But first, a couple good things - those AT-TEs acting as artillery in the beginning looked great (though SPHA-Ts would have been even better) and the way Ahsoka held her lightsabers looked oddly familiar (wasn't there a KOTOR character or something that held his/her lightsabers like that?). I don't know if anyone else noticed Plo Koon's Super Jump near the beginning of the episode - takes you right back to the '03 Clone Wars. Nice to see one of those annoying droid commanders get chopped in half too, and the miniature Ki-Adi Mundi kid just cracked me up. Lots of good points and no obvious retcons that I'm aware of (in relation to the films and the '03 series). It was a little odd to see a C-9979 without any MTTs in it, but I guess those are too expensive or something. The garrison of dwarf spider droids waddling to their death was quite funny as well. Ha! A Trandoshan described Ahsoka as a "youngling". Nice to see some of the whiny disrespectful Anakin we all know from Clones. "Whatever you're trying to say Master Plo just say it." He may have been annoying in the movie but I think I actually prefer this Anakin to the "caring" Anakin in the show. Now for some things I didn't like: - Consistent cheesy dialogue from several characters, including several failed attempts at dramatic one-liners. "Here, lizard lizard..." ugh. But I guess that's what you can expect from a kids' show. - Speaking of The Clone Wars as a kids' show, there was an awful lot of shooting in this episode. The unnamed captive that was mercilessly picked off with a turret was a little surprising. But whatever - children's television has always been about violence... - The Trandoshans' gargling English got really annoying after a while. They could have at least had them speak a language of their own (something more akin to Bossk's single line in Empire...) - The Trandoshans apparently hunt in hovering jeeps, which was weird (especially considering they look like flying cable cars); I would have preferred they use swoops, simply because they feel closer to the Star Wars universe. - Wow, apparently an ex-Padawan can choke someone with the Force! What?

Agreed. It's not like starting discussion threads is discouraged, but three topics in one day (two of which aren't really getting anywhere) is admittedly a little too much.

10030 is 37" and an Imperial-class is 1600m... a Venator scaled to 10030 would be around 26.29" long.

This is the mental process that I have to go through to render your post readable; please mind your spelling and grammar as this is an international forum and not everyone here is a native English speaker. What's more, this is an AFOL forum, not AIM. Wait, doesn't this belong in the 'LEGO General Discussion and News' subforum? As others have said, I think it has to do with exclusive minifigures in sets as well as the fact that some sets are just harder to find than others. For example, I know 7191 goes for several hundred dollars on bricklink despite the fact that it has no minifigures.

Whoops. I guess that's what happens when I try to help without having watched the series. Which reminds me; when/how did Rex get his Jaig eyes?

Well let's see... a Venator is 1137m; if 3 studs = 1 meter and 1 stud = 8mm a minifigure-scale Venator would be 3411 studs or 27.29m in length. In stud-to-foot scale, 1137m = 3730ft (rounded for sig figs) so a minifigure-scaled one would be 3730 studs, about 29.84m. brickartist I don't know where you're getting this 30ft measurement... maybe the fact that your UCS BARC turned out at least twice the size of Reto's has something to do with this.

Most people wouldn't know the difference...

Hmm... this comes to mind.