Hinckley

Well, if you're going to defend someone, go silly.

Can someone remind me why McCoy is "one of the most Scummy players here?"

Are you accusing both me and Mallory of being Scum protecting McCoy? How would that work? There are 2 Romulans, no Night Actions. I assume that means no conversions. If Mallory and I are in Klingon cahoots, what would our motivation be to protect McCoy and lynch you?

Everyone should have that impression. Because we are both more concerned about you and Sulu than McCoy. Nurse Chapel seems to agree with us. McCoy voted for you. But who's counting? How is that helpful? That's my line! I already said it about getting the lingering McCoy question out of the way. You won't be decapitated anyway. Last I checked the monitors, Spock and Kyle were eating ice cream with tribbles.

No. I want to lynch McCoy or Chekov. The more we get these weird answers out of them, it seems like Chekov and Sulu are the Romulans. But I feel stronger about Chekov at this point. A lot stronger. However, I was proposing we lynch McCoy, because as you said, are these all legitimate Townie concerns or Scum trying to muddy the waters? I am legitimately concerned about Chekov's behavior. Are you not? I understand not being able to discern someone's motivation, but don't you see the interaction between them a "legitimate Townie concern?" If so, yes. But are you a Scum confessing? Or are you a Townie quitting?

I don't know. Would I? I understand what he's saying. I think the not quitting makes me lean more Town on him. It's not Scummy to get to the bottom of Scummy behavior. I will go back and really look at what was said, but I haven't figured it out yet and none of your explanations have helped. Hey, I understand being angry during Mafia. You said when you started you didn't have a lot of time, but hey use me if you want to get going. And now the day is revolving around your Scummy, Scummy behavior. That's frustrating no matter what side you're on. I feel for you. It's an odd thing to say without further explanation. "I'm experiencing pause about this lynch." But my vote stays. Why say it? And not act on it. If I had played Pirates Mafia and knew Trekkie had gotten himself lynched the exact same way, metagaming it may be, I might try to bring that to people's attention. Or at least address it to him. "Why do you keep insisting on getting a Day One lynch, Spock? I remember a holovideo called Pirates Mafia where you got lynched on Day One for insisting on a lynch." But you just said "This give me pause. Good night everybody! Happy lynching!" I'm paraphrasing...part of my public enemy number one communication skills... Also, yes, "we" would've lost someone else. McCoy. Specifically McCoy. You voted for him today, for a brief second. After I unvoted him, you proudly came in and hammered him and mentioned it a few times that you had hammered him. Proud hammer man. "...we'd have lost someone anyway." That would be McCoy who you apparently want to see his allegiance (by lynching Sulu first, but not if McCoy's not being lynched, and now Mallory because he was "obstinately twisting words") So, in this case, If "we would've lost someone anyway" that sounds like, if you're Scum then McCoy is not. And if that's the case then voting for Sulu because you think he's diametrically aligned with McCoy is fascinating, because if McCoy turns up Starfleet, would you have been all "So I guess I was wrong about Sulu too...?" Also: I'm channeling my inner-Spock, realizing I'm not doing him justice. What???!

It's not Mantis it's Manis.

No need. I said the wrong name and got super flippant when you questioned it. I apologize for that. Still leaning Scum on you, but sorry I flipped out.

Whoever. Freaking McCoy did. All Star Trek characters look the same to me. Who am I playing again? Uhura? Probably. You're purposely missing the point of the question. They're very similar tactics and yet you never call out Chekov for it. Here's how the damn question should read: "So, my question is, Sulu, why don't you find Chekov suspicious for keeping his vote on Spock but pointedly saying he "had pause" about it? I find that very similar to McCoy's action of staying off the Townie wagon and throwing a vote at Uhura."

I propose we lynch Sulu, who stopped in, read up, realized the heat was off and went to read about LEGO Movie 2 Sets. We'll keep wondering if we don't and now is the time to do it with seven of us left. We have some leeway if we get another one wrong. I'm leaning heavily on Chekov for tomorrow. And put your pants on. Then give me my bagpipes back. In that order, please.

@jimmynick How does Sulu's response answer your suspicion about his vote for Kyle?

Don't look now, you just wrote a play. I agree. It's not like the response from Sulu differs depending on which "vote" he's responding to. I didn't vote for him. He's agreeing with me that if suspicion is that high then the person should be lynched. The difference is, I was saying I should be lynched if McCoy is lynched and turns up Romulan. But what you're analyzing from their exchange is the way I see it too. There is absolutely no reason for McCoy to unvote Sulu based on what he said there. It's just freaking weird. Here's more weird: Yeah, well, your new buddy Chekov did a very similar thing without voting: Just making sure you didn't mean that insisting on a Day One lynch is what give you pause. Your explanation is what I thought of it. So, my question is, Sulu, why don't you find Chekov suspicious for keeping his vote on Spock but pointedly saying he "had pause" about it? I find that very similar to Sulu's action of staying off the Townie wagon and throwing a vote at Uhura. This is the second time you've gone after someone's communications tactics as opposed to who is Scummy. That's not what we're looking for. You don't vote for whose attitude you don't like. You vote for someone whose behavior seems Scummy. There's nothing obstinate about what Mallory is asking. He's even looking for clarification and trying to demonstrate where he sees the discrepancy. I see it too. Are we both Scum for questioning your unvote? 90% jokes, 10% grump. Also, that's not how Town should be viewing the game. I'm leaning Scum on you more and more.

You're totally not. Look at both of their posts through the rest of the game so far. They don't make much sense, collectively. Chekov is 90% jokes.

@jimmynick What gave you pause here? I asked earlier and you didn't respond to it.

I wondered the same thing. I must have missed that part of the story.

*you're, not your. Damn it all. That explanation definitely took the wind out of my sails. I am as suspicious of McCoy as Sulu. After two mislynches, I want to make the best decision and I've noticed, over the years, that sometimes my vote carries a little more weight. Yes, that's an enormous ego on me, but it's happened, where people either wait to see where I'm going to vote or the Scum is waiting for me to lead everyone in the wrong direction and use me to lead the Town to defeat. Yes, I'm an egomaniac, but I swear it has happened. And let that ping you. I hope I'm pinging people. I'm trying to think like the Scum here. We should all be pinging each other. That's how we discern what to do next. I'm going to sleep on who to vote for. I stand by the idea that I would be OK being lynched if McCoy were to turn up Scum. Yes, I'm a Starfleet Officer. But I understand I would be under scrutiny if McCoy is a Romulan. It wouldn't be a waste of a day to lynch me if the suspicion towards me is high at that point. Best to get me out of the way and focus on the real Scum. Maybe I'm thinking too far ahead and yes, I understand why that pings you. I need to sleep on who to vote for. I don't want to rush back in after having a ridiculously high false sense of confidence that I had found something. My strongest suspicion is Sulu, for his voting habits, but I understand the concerns raised, repeatedly regarding McCoy. If McCoy is going to get suspicion every day, we need to get rid of him. I feel like it's time, but I don't want the short game day to rush me into a decision and like I said above, sometimes I worry that my vote sways other peoples. Yes, ego, ego, ego. But that's my thought process. Sulu, also for his lack of content. Mostly fluff, flying under the radar, etc...

That does make sense. Damn. I thought I had a smoking gun. Unvote: McCoy (Umbra-Mantis)

Totally not accusing you of anything. Just looking for your opinion. Yes, I'm somewhat hovering over this topic. Set your phasers and stun me.

There really isn't a lot of time in this setup to get work done. @jimmynick I asked you a question, you've been in and out for a while. What's the answer? @Tariq j and @Chromeknight have been on in the disturbingly the same pattern. Both become active again at the same time, then stay dormant for about the same time, active again, then dormant. Three cycles of that over an hour. I realize I'm grasping at straws here, but we don't have much to work on and this matched-up activity could be coincidence, but also pings me.

So, are you referring to the start of the day where I continuously accuse him of being Scum? I didn't feel in sync with him at all. He's Kyle. I'm not sure he can ever be in sync with Scotty. Scotty and Kyle seemed to be wired differently. Yes, McCoy is my prime suspect and can you see why? What do you think of his vote for Uhura? He states that he feels like she knew Spock and Kyle were both Town. But Commander Bob hadn't revealed Kyle's alignment at that point, so how could it seem that way to McCoy? Unless he already knew they were both Town. Am I reading too much into it? Seems pretty Scummy to me.

I apologize for being hyper-Hinck. Hopefully, you guys find what I consider to be the strongest evidence we've had so far on McCoy. Of course, many of you have been suspicious of him for the last two days, so I am not trying to take any credit and if McCoy is a Romulan, please accept my deepest apologies for staying off that wagon for the first two days. I would gladly accept being lynched if we lynch McCoy and he flips Romulan. No hard feelings. I would totally understand. You'd be lynching a Townie, but a Townie worth of scrutiny and the lynch. And you'd survive another day to find the real Romulan, so please, if there's any doubt, feel free to lynch me. This whole arbitrary "there must be one Scum on the lynch wagon and one off the lynch wagon" is BS and makes me suspect McCoy further. I was looking for other people who latched onto it, one was Kyle, and I thought I remembered Sulu doing it as well. Perhaps this is what I was remembering. Uhura had a good response to this and it bugged me the same way. Click the little arrow in the upper right of the Sulu quote to get back to the thread and seeing the response from Uhura. I should've quoted it. I missed this yesterday, which is a bit bonkers considering there was only two pages of posts. What was my double act? Why didn't you push me on this when I didn't answer? If you have concerns about me, get at me about them, please.

There are four of us, me included, who didn't vote for McCoy both days and if McCoy does flip Scum should be under the most scrutiny.

Sorry about the wall of text, everyone. I was basically researching out loud. The most important thing I found, in my opinion, is my last question to McCoy there ^ along with the vote. Sorry my strongest point is at the end of a long rambling post.

Looking for micro-slips now because I feel like that might be all we have to go on. Obviously, looking for huge Scum tells, like Spock and Kyle's behavior doesn't work. Mallory tells Spock that's a really bad color if he's a Townie. Then he emphasizes if. But why did the sentence come out in the way it did in the first place? This could be from the perspective of knowing Spock is Town. Essentially, he's saying, "You're an easy Townie to lynch." While I agree with the analysis, I would imagine the thought process would be "You're trying to force a lynch, that's Scummy." Not "You're trying to force a lynch, you're a bad Townie." Oh, did that give you pause, Chekov? Interesting way to end the day. I have pause about who we're lynching, but whatevs... I see you've made this soft accusation before. By and large, huh? So what does that mean to you? Are you saying I'm Scum? Because it seems like you're planting a seed and hoping someone else will cultivate it. I'm not adding new things and just summarizing, huh? I don't see it that way at all. When I went through the events of Day One, I was connecting dots, maybe more for myself but I was connecting it all for the first time as I was going through the thread and quoted posts as I went. There was a specific pattern I was pointing out and making connections. Sulu, however, literally quoted the vote and then summarized it with no new conclusions of his own. It was a really odd post, couple with the rest of his behavior seems Scummy. So does yours. See what I did there, I came out and said your actions seem Scummy. If you think my "summaries" are Scummy, you should be clear about it. Instead of hinting at it and then dropping a vote on Sulu. I'm curious as to why you don't go for McCoy again. He's had votes on him the last two days and then another candidate's wagon took off. Shouldn't you be suspicious of people who didn't vote for McCoy both days at this point? One of those people being me, the sinister summarizer. Chekov is seeming less Scummy to you? That surprises me. He's seeming more Scummy to me, but I admit everyone seems more Scummy to me. Thank you for pre-predicting that I would find it Scummy if you just said "Poor Kyle." But you misspelled Kyle, it's spelled Kyle. I do follow your analysis of McCoy's vote and behavior here. When I woke up today I would've been willing to switch over to McCoy if there wasn't a lynch yet. I was almost disappointed Kyle had been lynched as I didn't want another candidate I had analyzed/"summarized" the behavior of to be the lynched player. Spock and Kyle's behavior was really Scummy. I don't regret voting for them or digging into their behavior. Seeing McCoy avoid the lynch two days in a row makes me want to learn his allegiance, even if that means I would be lynched the next day if he turns up Romulan. What's the penalty for not voting? Aha! No. It seems like you knew they were both Townies. It looks like in your haste to cast a vote before the day ended, you slipped up. Your vote is supposedly based on Uhura knowing that Kyle and Spock were both Townies. But we didn't know Kyle's alignment at that point, did we? Did you? Vote: McCoy/Umbra-Manis

Chekov and Mallory have been skulking around here for some time without anything to add. And Chekov has, by far, the Scummiest hair.