Hinckley

There was nothing concrete with The Serial Killer. Do I need to say I think there's a bad lynch before I know who is going to be lynched? The votes came in for The Serial Killer at the end of the Day. My time was constrained at the end of the day yesterday and I believe The Cop when he falsely stated there was no more voting allowed. You untied the votes, didn't you? With the lack of tallies it's hard to see where the votes were. Perhaps we should look at that. By the time I realized voting was still open, what exactly did you expect me to do to reverse what I thought was a bad lynch with only a couple hours left? You want me to lead like I've done in the past, but with limited knowledge, it's simply irresponsible. And voting for The Cop wasn't a tangent. I stand behind my reasons for thinking he was Scum. I was happy with my vote and very glad I didn't vote for The Serial Killer because I thought it was a pretty shitty thing to do with someone who hadn't logged in and hadn't defended themselves against empty accusations. And I voted for another Townie. Do you think I accused him and then conspicuously killed him? If I were Scum, I would imagine I'd keep The Cop alive as there seemed to be some possibility of him as a lynch candidate. And yes, I accused The Vanilla Townie as well. They're all dead now and we see they're all Town, so boo for my first Day instincts. You wanted me to lead with that? Scum killed one of those players and I don't think it likely that I, if I were Scum, would kill someone I accused during the day. I accused you as well. So, it's an assumption. Shoot men. There was an old woman who lived in a shoe. Over-analyze and jump on that for a second. Sheesh. Just shoot any man. I meant "shoot me". Oh, and while we're at it, The Cult Leader, your first suspect, The Snake Charmer softly defended The Cop to me, by PM. So, it still may be a pretty solid analysis. Oh Christ, no the Snake Charmer did not defend The Cop to me. I mixed him up with The Jester, naturally. I am not speaking with The Snake Charmer in private. 36 votes posted yesterday, fake or real: I'm going to compile and analyse later when I get the chance. I'm specifically interested to see where the ties were and when they were broken and by who. I do notice The Cult Leader moved the lynch away from The Cultist near the end of the day. Interesting that he was convinced of The Snake Charmer's guilt for so long. In addition to what I've already said to The Cultist's accusations, I never mentioned The Serial Killer as someone I suspected. I mentioned several others but never him. I may not have come right out and said "I think this is a bad lynch" but I never added to the "case" against him. And it was possible he was Scum. If I'm going to be careful with my "influence" of being an experienced Mafia player, shouldn't I be just as careful leading people towards a lynch as away from it?

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Well, this went quiet quickly. I said I'd keep up with the vote tally, so here goes: The Witch (Waterbrick Down): 1 vote (Hinckley) The Female Lover (Hinckley): 1 vote (Rufus) Hum dee dum... Farbeit from my to look for clues in pictures, but is this a Lion King reference?

This is perhaps the worst faulty logic I've ever seen in my history of playing Mafia games. A God pill, should you bother to look it up, works like this: A player is given a list of rules with code names. They pick a code name. They don't know what rule it is. And you think LEGODad is Scum too and that we're actually the Lover role? And how would two lynches benefit the Scum? Were you all planning on lynching Townies today? What am I not taking responsibility for? This makes no sense. What? I think jamesn, although well-intentioned, got it wrong by trying to keep separate tallies. Everyone's crying about it being confusing, I'm offering to do it right since it was my idea. I was careful to say you could be right, because...wait for it...you could be right. And to be quite honest, I've been trying to vote later, especially in early days because I've been told my vote carries more weight and I don't want to responsible for starting bandwagons, just based on my suspicions. I often feel like I suspect everyone on Day One, and that the responsibility of being seen as a leader in EB Mafia games should be taken seriously. And I thought The Cop was a good vote. And I wasn't very confident in a vote for The Snake Charmer or The Serial Killer. So I voted the way I voted because that's where I felt my vote best placed. I know that sounds arrogant, but that's what I've learned through feedback from other players over the course of time. In other news, someone has contacted me claiming to be the vigilante. Wait a minute...why is anyone claiming to me when there's so much suspicion revolving around me!? People with info, be careful. Have you all learned nothing from the past few games? Loose lips sink ships and although this ship is only half a ship with a castle wall and a hospital corridor attached and it's sitting in an off-white garden, it can still sink.

Well, duh. Yes, please. Share them privately. If voting were open right now, I'd fakevote: The Witch (WaterbrickDown) for staying so firmly in the middle of the pack and yet not bothering to vote yesterday. I've looked at the PM from The Vanilla Townie and I think The Rolecop should re-think his aspirations to be a professional summarizer.

OK, now that I've read this a couple of times, The Vanilla Townie actually thought that I would broadcast who the Scum was going to kill by hinting at it in thread before doing it? I literally went to an Adam Ant concern with my boyfriend and this drunk woman was hitting on me and she fell and security took her out of there. I was playing the character of the telemarketer and rambling, but apparently some people can't tell jokes from things that should be brought into gameplay. If I was Scum and going to kill The Vanilla Townie, and hinted about who I was going to kill, I'd be the worst Scum in the history of the game. No, you just did. You said I was telling her we were lovers. And I hardly call my suspicions "mud-slinging".

I was at an Adam Ant concert and a drunk lady literally fell on me. What does that have to do with the game? This doesn't even make sense. I had no private contact with The Vanilla Townie at all. And for the last time, I'm always aggressive. Always. Sad to say, I've had no contact with My Male Lover either. So, my thoughts were my own about The Cult Leader.

So, we vote once but the two players with the highest votes get lynched? This is a day for a he-said she-said. Wouldn't that be interesting? Stupid God pills.

If we want to continue that, I will tally the votes. It needs to all be tallied together with fake votes in blue to be effective. If you guys want to give it another shot, I'm confident I can keep it organized and clear. Let's not let confusion stop us from something that can be a very effective tool to work together. The Scum want us to be confused. I'll keep it nice and clear. Let's give it one more shot.

Well, I expected the Serial Killer to turn up Town, but my option wasn't right either. Extraneous "that was a bad night" lip service. So, I had been thinking about The Cop's behavior and thought while it could indicate he was Scum, it could also indicate he was playing more conservatively because he had a Night Action. Obviously, he wasn't Scum, so I hope he didn't have a Night Action. If he had an important one, at least we have a universal backup. Did the vigilante stay home? That's all I'll say for the prerequisite speculation about who performed what kill.

Yes, you would've died. Sorry.

Honckley. You're very welcome.

I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to def. Everyone's open for investigation. The investigator doesn't need our permission.

Nicholas's role would've told him if a dead player had a Night Action and if so, which one. It would say nothing about affiliation. In the rare instance that a member of the Scum team was claiming to have a role that a dead Townie had actually had. For example, if Boris Biddlesdorf had investigated Dillpickle Catterweed and they started talking and the Boris was night-killed and Rutherford Hablabble-Bibble claimed to be the investigator, something that actually was discussed, the Coroner could verify that Boris had the role. It would take a lot of circumstances to be right for it to be useful. Nicholas would've had to know that Rutherford had claimed investigator and that Dillpickle had been in contact with Boris about being investigated. Bleh.

Well, I did it in Fraulein Bloodbrick to appear helpful, so it pinged me. I am used to you trying to analyze right from the get-go as well. So your behavior just seems off. It's at least worth noting. I would definitely prefer you to be on the Town side. So, was someone convicted?

Aggressive or not, he is usually making accusations or helping to sort out what people are talking about. All he's doing with the list is appearing to be helfpul with info we all have access to. Did I just repeat myself? I feel like I did.

vote: The Cop (def) I understand turning over a new leaf and I respect it. But your usual analysis and leadership is missing. What we have instead is the seemingly helpful compiling if who took what pill which anyone can do. Putting together information regarding the game's mechanics that we all have access to seems more like an attempt to appear active and helpful while leaving out any player behavior analysis. Difference in style I appreciate but I'm more worried about the change in your tactics.

I'll look. I thought it was in the signups. I mean the rolecop. I am looking at it. It's more of a defense than The Snake Charmer's. Would you like me to look at it more than that? I mean people should look at it as in take note of it. The whole basis of it being a stronger defense than The Snake Charmer's means it would be a stronger suspicion, so therefore we should all look at it or take note of it. But, if it helps... *sits and looks at the Rolecop's post.*

Maybe we should try to use our votes instead of the fake ones, especially since people can't seem to format the fake votes right or tally them in a helpful way. No offense to jamesn. The initiative is much appreciated. That was the format I suggested. If you look around, other people are fake voting in blue. Therefore, I did a full tally, with the fake votes in blue. Don't they change every day? I thought The Werewolf said the pills changed and were randomly assigned a modifier every day. Why is it suspicious to call you out? What else makes you suspicious of him? Voting for him just for saying you're Scummy and voting for you? You're looking like a better lynch candidate all the time... If you can't add anything, do something. Take a person you're suspicious of and start poking him or her. Why is rambling suspicious? What does the timing have to do with it? In that amount of time only two votes had been placed, although there was some fake votes for him. Maybe he is a Scum, getting nervous that his buddy was being accused and wasn't around to defend himself and a bandwagon could be forming. Yes, I definitely see that as a possibility. I just don't think it's concrete. Granted, if it were more concrete that would be really sloppy on their part. He did dare us. We don't need to. The person with the most votes is lynched. This fake voting is going to mess with the voting pattern. It'll be much easier for the Scum to hide. Maybe we should just discuss more and vote carefully. This is not unusual behavior from him. In the last few games I've noticed he is less active on the weekends and this weekend is a three-day weekend holiday in the United States, where The Serial Killer lives, which is unfortunate, since murder is illegal here. What kind of game was our dead host putting together? One vanilla Townie? A serial killer and a Cult and a PGO and Tree Stump? What a feckuckeded balance. While this is typical of The Serial Killer, and a bit insulting as I didn't receive one , I'm not sure how this info helps us. Did we really need it? How does it inform our voting? If we're suspicious of The Snake Charmer for defending The Serial Killer, we should really look at this defense. You seem suspicious to me one second, then you make an accusation I agree with. I've had a gut feeling about The Paranoid Gun Owner basically since we started. Right now, I'm leaning towards voting for either The Paranoid Gun Owner or The Cult Member. Regarding our earlier discussion about The Cop, I certainly appreciate that you are turning over a new leaf. Your behavior still strikes me as off, because you're not offering analysis in a non-aggressive way, you just seem to be active. Fluff is odd from you, with or without your tactical aggression. Maybe you've been more helpful than I remember. I'll look over your posts again.

Fake vote tally The Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs): 3 (mostlytechnic, jamesn, Trumpetking) The Treestump (Adam): 1 (LegoDad) The Snake Charmer (DarthPotato): 1 (Rufus) The Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam): 1 (Kadabra) The Serious Roleplayer (Tamamono): 1 vote (jamesn) The Cult Leader (Rufus): 1 vote (Hinckley) The Usurper (Trumpetking): 1 vote (Tamamono) The Virgin (Clanure): 1 vote (Bob)

I found it weird but not because he said he'd hold off voting for the Snake Charmer. That wouldn't make much sense since he did place a vote for the Snake Charmer. My concern with what the Cult Leader has done is that he's run in, placed a vote, a very adamant vote, based on The Snake Charmer defending the Serial Killer. He says we'll learn a lot from the lynch which may be true, but it's not enough to be so adamant. Adam Ant. Adamant. I just saw him in concert. This drunk lady fell all over me even though I was with My Male Lover and she annoyed everyone and security took her out before Adam even started his set. Anyway, The Serial Killer hasn't answered people's suspicion of him and tried to point to something shiny off in the distance and run off again. Boo Cult Leader, boo. You've placed your vote like it's our strongest lead without garnering anyone else's opinion or hearing from your lynch candidate about your accusations. That being said, someone defending another player on Day One is always a good place to look and so we should remember that The Snake Charmer did sort of defend The Serial Killer. It does look more to me like someone asking us to be rational and think before a bad bandwagon takes off. The Cult Leader's analysis is actually a good one and the possibilities he brings up are something for us to watch. Maybe The Snake Charmer is trying to seem like a level-headed Townie, safely defending a Townie, in case he's lynched later. This is a very early spot in such a gambit to make an accusation, especially considering The Serial Killer only has two votes. And there is the possibility that they are both Scum. It's hard to imagine The Snake Charmer would come to an unnecessary defense of a teammate, potentially giving them both away on Day One. No. For now, I find The Cult Leader much more suspicious for trying to act like a good point of suspicion is actually the strongest lead. I'll keep my fake vote where it is.

I didn't play nor read Jedi Temple, so kudos to you for being a genius. And I'm not being sarcastic. I think it's a great idea. I don't think a vote for The Serial Killer for Day One weirdness is as weird as the two players you're referring to that were lynched. The Serial Killer should know better than what he's been saying about logic being behind our character names. And I apologize, Werewolf, this is actually a great idea. It goes back to why I wanted to do it in the first place, it gets people talking more and working together more. If we're fake voting together and deciding when to cast our votes, it will lead to more activity. I like it again. Sorry to criticize.

First day accusations seldom come from Scum. Are you saying they would? And I even made it a point to read the rules carefully and missed that. That's unfortunate. I used to use that rule and no longer do because the Cop told me it didn't help the Town and I agree. So, here's my proposal. Let's use fake voting. For example, I fake vote: Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs because he's just been weird with his logic talk. We can keep our own tally and once we are all agreed, place votes during the final 12 hours or whenever people are set with their votes. Silly rules cause for proactive players. Sorry, Werewolf. It's silly. These are two really good points and The Goon and The Usurper would fall into the other safe place for Scum: Middle-of-the-road. I'd add The Witch there too. This is a really good point. One, because I also noticed this behavior from The Cop and two, because I actually decided not to mention it because of our past. I like healing wounds between The Cop and I and don't want to ruffle feathers. So, I tucked that suspicion to the back of my brain. That might not appear to be helpful, but if it ended up that me and him went back and forth at each other (which I hope we wouldn't do anymore either way) then the Scum would really have something to cause distraction and it could potentially really hurt the Town. It is not my job to read the thread for you. I already read it over thoroughly to find these points. If you can't find the one question someone asked you, that's on you. I'll fake unvote: The Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs) and fake vote: The Cult Leader (Rufus) because I'm more worried about his lack of activity than I am The Cop's joking attitude, my gut feeling about The Vanilla Townie and the super-off logic of The Serial Killer...although those are my other loud pings at the moment. Maybe fake votes should be done like this fake vote: The Cult Leader (Rufus) so they are easier to catch since we'd be keeping our own tally.

Thank you!

Sorry. I didn't see the new posts.