Hinckley

Here are the contents of my potatoes with The Male Lover: 1. He was speaking with Kristel 2. He suggest, as suspects, The Virgin, NPC, Cultist and The Goon. He says they have been too quiet. 3. When asked he offers no solid opinion on The Witch. 4. He says The Cult Leader is odd for going after "the Lover angle" 5. Then he agrees with me that The Cult Leader seems like a Townie for going after me so adamantly. After that we have a quick exchange about fighting the lynch but the conversation pretty much ends there. Hello anybody? I can see you are here. There's lots to discuss. Hello? Cult Leader? Blacked-Out Night Action Dude? Godfather? Let's go. We have work to do.

People have been suspicious of The Snake Charmer and Adam and they took the same pill on Days One and Days Two. I have a proposal: Everyone reveal what their pills do. The game structure is already open, The Scum can share the info on six pills a Day. We need to know what people are doing and have as much info as we possibly can to get a 75% majority lynch. The Scum have nowhere to hide with what they're doing with the pills. We should all reveal what the pills do. The Scum will know them all soon anyway. Especially if anybody is talking to the wrong person behind the scenes. We know that The Male Lover was Scum and he took the same pill as The Cult Leader on Day Two. Likewise, the Cult Leader accused The Snake Charmer and took his Day One pill on Day Two.

Our discussion revolved around not wanting to risk losing a Townie. We don't want the vig to act until we really have something to go on. At the rate that loss of Townies can happen, it's best to play it safe. We can use every Townie we have, which is why I'm not sure why the werewolf would've told The Cultist that he was going to be mod-killed for quitting. I wish we would've tried to find an alternate, though that probably wouldn't have saved him from the lynch. Townies who quit the qame, who were barely present in the first place are the worst type of SUCK there is.

So, why the change?

Why? Had you voiced that suspicion earlier? This is a change from your feelings on him previously, correct? If you're truly surprised that The Male Lover was Town, then you must be the Serial Killer. Otherwise, you're Scum, but I'm pretty certain you're anti-Town, whatever you are. Good point. Today we really have to use the fake vote system. It's really aggravating that we nailed a Scum and still lost three Townies in the Night. At this rate, there's not much room for error. The Cultist died with a non-placebo, by the way.

The Male Lover was Scum!!!!!!!!!!! Wa-fuckin-hoo! The Cultist ... well, I'll have words for The Cultist after this is all over. I'm surprised that The Jester came up Town. The vig chose not to kill last night. The Virgin...more on that later.

Thanks.

That was a mistake then. The last post on Day One of Harriet Slutter was 7 hours after the last post. I'll save my opinion on this for the end, but for the following days, I would appreciate it if the days were as long as the rules state they will be. You aren't locking the threads, so why not just say "The day ends in 45 minutes" and let it continue?

Oh Werewolf, you ended the day 45 minutes early.

I wasn't suspicious of you until you said you'd be in trouble if Male Lover came up Town. You pinged me a little at the beginning of the day with your first post. I've looked at it again and you haven't followed any of your initial suspicions except for Blacked-Out Night Action Dude which you followed through to a logical conclusion. Comparing it with my suspicions of the day, I can see how you go from suspecting some people from Day One activity to suspecting others instead. I don't want to confuse people with too many accusations and I think my suspicions towards you has waned. Conversationally, I hadn't intended to be transparent about The Witch / vig situation at all. Since The Blacked-Out Night Action Dude decided to blab against the vig's wishes (he said he was speaking for her, but that's not what she actually wanted) and quite honestly, my advice as well, I found it necessary to be as transparent as possible to avoid any mislynches. Unless you mean about relaying information about the vig and that he/she didn't kill last night. Then I'm just rambling now. I really would've preferred to keep the nature of the pill in the hands of a small group. What's done is done and we got a lot of reactions and info to analyze. So, even though I beat Blacked-Out Night Action Dude up about being a Blabbermouth Bob, the results of what happened aren't bad, perhaps not at all. It gave us lots to work with.

As previously mentioned, the vig was wondering if I was leading a Town block as I have in the past and wanted to know if I knew who the Town blocker was to see if they had blocked him/her to start weighing other options. I don't see anybody else saying Blacked-Out Night Action Dude is Scummy. This shouldn't stop you from making a case, trying to get answers out of them or voting for one of them. It's not even that. Male Lover thinks the same thing. It's the reasoning that The Cop was acting suspiciously that is the mindset that causes suspicion. Nobody should be voting for The Male Lover unless they understand this. When he said he thought The Cop was killed because he was suspicious, that pinged me. Because it speaks to the motive, or lack thereof of a killer. If he's Scum, he'd know they didn't kill him (meaning they killed The Vanilla Townie) and would assume that The Cop got himself killed by being suspicious. That confidence in an incorrect assumption about a motive makes me think he knows who the Scum killed. Scum don't kill players that would seem suspicious to them. They're not watching out for suspicious players. That's not their game. I'm thinking that most of The Town would assume that The Cop was killed because he's a good player and a threat. Especially after knowing that the vig didn't kill. If you don't understand that, don't vote for The Male Lover, because you're just jumping on the bandwagon without understanding the concern. Again, as a Townie you should be voicing these concerns and going after them. There's plenty of time in a day. If you can expose information or trip them up, we have plenty of time to turn a vote. Work hard for the Town, don't just think "Oh well, the votes are going one way, may as well go with them." How does that make sense. If you don't like who is being lynched, find a better candidate and try to convince people. Unless you have something to hide, don't want to slip up yourself or ultimately don't mind seeing a bad lynch, then by all means, continue. Yes, I would expect some scrutiny if the vig died. However, you stating something so obvious makes me a bit nervous. Let's not forget the Scum have a rolecop. The Town forgot that possibility in Harriet Slutter and it really hurt them. We've been told they have one here, so let's bear that in mind.

You're composing and editing your post in a word processor or some other web app or program. I can tell by the markup in your post. That being said, how obvious would it be if the Scum all jumped to one player at the last minute? I don't think that's a major concern. It would certainly cause a great deal of suspicion if we saw a bunch of people change their votes right before the voting closed. You think you're being put through the gallows yet you don't answer any of the concerns. You just blame it on a vast Scum conspiracy. Ping. These are incredibly useful and insightful. I hope everyone is looking at them. It seems somewhat tedious at first, but you've made some really good points. The Snake Charmer is a smart and usually active player and we're getting the mess from him that you detailed, coupled with The Cult Leader's accusation from yesterday. jamesn pinged me earlier today when he chimed in with The Cult Leader against me. Yes, probably just because it was a suspicion against me, but he hid it amongst a whole list of other suspicions, almost quietly trying to add but not come right out and accuse. I had a few other thoughts when looking over your analysis: What worries me more about what The Snake Charmer has said here is that he incorrectly says The Witch just repeated other people when The Witch was actually making a case against The Doctor, which nobody else was. So, he's not even bringing up a valid concern as what he is saying is not true. I think the vig is Town, but I think it was a bad decision to target The Witch after Day One. Although, on a side note, The Witch hasn't done much to inspire confidence since. This was the strangest jump in logic I saw from him. It's incorrect. If The Cultist is Scum, I don't see how that could possibly clear him. What The First Day Lynch has posted here is complete fluff. Why would he spend so long going over the possibilities of what the vig should've though about not being successful when we already know what The Witch claimed and that it was true? Faulty logic but not suspicious Yes, the Male Lover's reasoning does suck and I still don't think he sees what people's concerns are. I've tried to talk to him about it. Anyway, the point is The First Day Lynch has contradicted himself. Blacked-Out Night Action Dude has faulty reasoning but he's not suspicious, while The Male Lover has faulty reasoning but is suspicious. And yet he hasn't answered for the contradiction.

The Jester is likewise slinking back into the gray baseplate all the time. And yes, Doctor, I see The Paranoid Gun Owner staring at us. I do wonder what he will have to say.

Here's where the votes stand: The Female Lover (Hinckley): 1 vote (Rufus) The Blacked-Out Night Action Dude (Bob): 1 vote (fhomess) The Jester (CallMePie): 1 vote (Tamamono) The Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam): 8 votes (Hinckley, Clanure, DarthPotato, Tamamono, TrumpetKing, Adam, LEGODad, Bob) The Male Lover (LEGODad): 4 votes (fhomess, CallMePie, mostlytechnic, Waterbrick Down) The Tree Stump (Adam): 1 vote (Kadabra) The First Day Lynch (Jameson): 1 vote (Esurient) The Paranoid Gun Owner (purpearljellyblob): 2 votes (PirateDave84, jamesn)

Why is giving up a Town tell? What a bunch of wimps... As I just said, I encouraged him, in private, that if he's Town he should fight fight fight fight fight. I told him that he should give up if he's Scum. I felt that was good encouragement to fight. I know that just because I said it doesn't mean it was going to happen that way, but I hate the idea that giving up is a Town tell. If you're Town and you're just going to give up if you are being lynched, then don't play the game.

Also, someone privately defended The Paranoid Gun Owner to me, saying that this was her Town game in the one game she played. Apparently acting really Scummy is her Town game, that's actually what was said. Metagaming off of one game. Granted, I was saying she was a good lynch alternative to The Male Lover, so it wasn't out of the blue. The Paranoid Gun Owner is acting super Scummy. I've also been talking to The Male Lover and was encouraging him to fight if he's Town, but go ahead and give up if he's Scum. Well...it looks more like he's given up. I was feeling nervous about The Male Lover lynch because of the speed of the bandwagon against him. But, maybe it is a good lynch after all. I still find it odd that The Godfather has contradicted himself. His post about not metagaming The Male Lover came right after I told him, via potato, that I was starting to feel uncomfortable about lynching The Male Lover. It seemed like buddying up to me when I saw it and then moments later he told me he believed The Male Lover to be Town. Can they both be Scum? I feel like I'm missing something obvious.

Um...well, I kind of started the case against Male Lover when it came to the weird idea that def's behavior got him killed. As for the potato message, I don't think it had anything to do with you. Strike that. I know it had nothing to do with you. What made you think that. I was talking with The Godfather about The Male Lover.

You said you support his lynch yet you just told me in private that "odds are Male Lover is Town," (not an exact quote, not a rule break), so how are you reconciling these two statements? Do you support the lynch of someone you believe to be Town? Why? And it's interesting how you are playing both sides of the fence here. You vote for The Stump, yet you support the lynch of The Male Lover, yet you believe that he is Town. ... Ping-a-ding-ding.

What? Why would you be in trouble?

It's always good to question the principles and tactics of the people voting for the person you think is Scummiest. ... ...

I really do not like that The Paranoid Gun Owner keeps slinking back into the woodwork...well the gray baseplate work...

Why the hell is nobody waiting for The Male Lover to log in and respond to this bandwagon against him? It's making me nervous that it has so much momentum. If we lynch two Townies and the Serial Killer and Scum get another one during the Night...

Since he's going to be mod-killed if we don't, let's just lynch him. That way we're not forced to lynch two people without enough evidence to really make a good decision.

Here's where the votes stand: The Female Lover (Hinckley): 1 vote (Rufus) The Blacked-Out Night Action Dude (Bob): 1 vote (fhomess) The Jester (CallMePie): 1 vote (Tamamono) The Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam): 5 votes (TrumpetKing, PirateDave84, LEGODad, Bob, Hinckley, Clanure, DarthPotato, Tamamono) The Male Lover (LEGODad): 4 votes (jamesn, fhomess, PirateDave84, CallMePie) The Witch (Waterbrick Down): 1 vote (CallMePie) The Tree Stump (Adam): 1 vote (Kadabra) Yeah, sorry. It said four votes with five names listed as well.

Ugh, my post is inside that quote... Not to my knowledge.