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I suppose you have a point. I mean, the albino in Da Vinci code wasn't an individual character, but actually a representation of all albinos. While Watto was a single character, and not a species that all had things in common... Wait, it was the exact opposite of that It's a case by case thing. Did I claim to be laying down the law I'm saying, some people have a legitimate gripe with the Star Wars movies, I'm not prescribing a solution to race portrayal in the world. Now that I've summed up my point so clearly you don't need to ask again, you can feel free to answer: Are you saying you can stop nowhere? How many racial stereotypes are permissible? Is it fine to give a character loads of real, existing human racial stereotypes as long as they're called Jar-Jar and breathe water? If Jar-Jar was eating fried chicken and watermelon in every scene, would you accept that? At what point do you start? What is your problem with people not liking stereotypes hidden in supposed fiction? What the hell? White people have very complex portrayals in film. Very very complex. They can hold all roles. It's very very hard to vilify all white people. At this point in white society, it's near impossible. It would take a non-white society to do it at this point. White people play every role in a white-made movie that isn't white, after all. So no, in no way is villifying someone with white skin in any way as bad as the racial stereotypes in Star Wars. The absolute untrueness of such a statement says to me that you need to study more about society, history, and power, and lots of other hard to put a finger on topics. No, white people aren't in danger of being though of as villains by white people any time soon, no matter how many movies have white villains. I don't want to argue a Republican talking point, this is not what Eurobricks is for. <edit> I see you wrote "really white skin" as in an albino, and not 'white skin' as I was replying to. I'd like to just edit out the whole paragraph, but you're replying to it and don't want to seem as though I'm editing my post to favour me. Sorry, I read into something you wrote with something you didn't write. My mistake. Accept my point that I think the group was misguided for blaming the Lego group for anything.... Please. I gotta go to bed soon.

I don't know the Pirates movies well outside of the first. Well, if other movies do it... Honestly, I'm not bothering to look for it in any movies, but I like Star Wars, and as an adult, there's some stuff which is a little racist-looking. I'm not saying Star Wars is the only one ("one of the few," I wrote, not "the only one"). Transformers 2 got a lot of criticism for it's 'ethnic' robots. All the same, it seems to be a trend on the decline for me, while it was the norm decades ago. Maybe not. Maybe it is still the norm. I'm not a super-cinephile. Feel free to open a topic in Community and prove me wrong. It would only show that people enjoy consuming mildly racist popcorn movies, while I would think people are beginning to become uncomfortable with them. My main point was, I think there's legitimate reason for some groups to feel issue with the Star Wars movies, but that is nothing to do with Lego. They are simply recreating what Lucasfilm made. The original protest was misguided. Maybe they should complain about Dead Man's Chest too.

I would say up to the 1970's, but things started shifting in the 1980's, and really, only the lamest projects still work that way. Star Wars seems to be one of the few still carrying on that questionable tradition.

I think the groups have a legitimate complaint... Just not against Lego. The Star Wars movies have so much in them that isn't explicitly racist, but it's kind of racist. And it goes on into the Clone Wars series to this day (or when I last watched season 4). As much as it's not 100% consistent, there is a tendency for the smart/good guys to be European sounding, while the riffraff are more, shall I say, ethnic (think Watto in Phantom Menace, or the space pirates in clone wars). For the original Star Wars, I don't hold it so much against it, since George Lucas is a very white guy, raised in a white neighbourhood, and the 70's still weren't very racially diverse or integrated in terms of media. Why it still goes on in Star Wars is up to Lucas. Anyway, the people lodging the argument against the set are really off-base, targeting the wrong group, and learning about Star Wars far too late. Besides, it doesn't look much like Hagia Sophia. (though I agree Jabba's hookah was an "ethnic" touch)

Voting is open. You have 48 hours. Vote tally: JimB 3 (penalty x 3)

Pandora is at wits end. "This place stinks, all the women are dead, and nobody will even have a discussion in the day thread. I can hardly wait until this is over." She paces the floor, shuddering at the thought of using the bucket. As if on cue, a dark figure approaches her. "Perhaps I could be of assistance." She fights to survive, as is her wont, but it is ultimately futile. "Requiescat in pace." Pandora smiles. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Badboy sits with his frog. "Ah, you understand me. You get me. You are special." With her romantic cooing, she doesn't hear the chainsaw revving. "Kekeke!" To give her credit, she doesn't scream. Surprisingly, in the end, the frog looks down on her. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Morning comes, and def is particularly chipper. "Morning folks! Well, you've done it! Or, at least, you've done something. You've got some good results!" The crowd awes that something has changed. "Zepher was that Psycho Killer. Hey, do you know what a synonym for a psycho killer is? A serial killer. No shit, eh?" def's Canadian heritage slips out a little. "Anyway, Pandora was Town, but badboy, that dirty, dirty piece... of... work, was scum. So maybe things are turning around?" He looks them over. "I won't count on anything, but I'm glad to see you make some progress." "As you may have noticed, I had to borrow Pelly's tux. The perceptive among you will know why. My God, Pelly, you are megablocking magnificent. It's unbelievable what steel you're made of." Scouty speaks up. "Can we vote for Badboy's frog?" "You can try, but it's a stupid, stupid idea." Adjusting his bow tie, he leaves the room with his last message until the end of the day. "In a new twist, you won't be voting for mayor today. It seems your mayor is still alive. Instead, you could try, you know, discussing things. More than yesterday at least. Which wouldn't take much effort indeed!" In the corner, TinyPies gives things some thought. "Huh? I'm the mayor?" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Day four has started. Voting starts 24 hours from now. The host defThe players Shadows CallMePie Adam Tamamono JimButcher Scouty Nightshroud99 Trumpetking67 iamded DarthPotato Alopex Big Cam TinyPiesRUs Dragonator The Deceased Capt. Redblade (Town) Chopped up night zero. Cecilie (Town) Smooshed the morning of day one. Flare (Town) Lynched on day one. Darkdragon (Town) Chopped to itty bitty pieces on Night one. Cornelius Murdock (Town) Throat slit Night one. Dannylonglegs (Town) Got in the way of wild horses on Day two Hinckley (Town) Lynched Day two. Rick (Town) Throat slit Night two PirateDave (Town) Chopped up Night two Zepher (Neutral) Lynched and unremorsefully capped by Cecilie Mk II on Day three Pandora (Town) Throat slit, now at peace on Night three. Badboy (Scum) Chainsawed on Night three. Rules (deviations from the normal EB rules are struck-through) 1. Each player will be given a character to play, who will be aligned with either the Town or the Scum. To win the game, the Town must kill off all the Scum, while the Scum needs to (knowingly) outnumber the Town. Third-party (neutral) characters have their own win conditions as outlined in their roles. 2. Each day you will be able to vote to lynch a player. Voting will be done in the following format; Vote: Player. Similarly, unvoting is to be done in the format; Unvote: Player. No other format will be accepted. A majority vote is required to lynch a player. The player with the most votes will be lynched. In the case of a tie, the mayor will decide the lynch, through their vote, or by PM if necessary. Voting is mandatory. Failure to vote will incur a vote penalty the following game day. 2.5. A mayor will be elected in the first 24 hours of the game day one. Voting for the mayor will be done in the following format:Mayor: Player. Unvoting for the mayor will not be allowed. One may vote for themselves. In the case of a tie, the first person to achieve that number will win. In the case that the mayor loses their life, a new mayor will be elected in the first 24 hours of the following game day. The mayors single duty will be that of tiebreaker. 3. A game day will last a maximum of 72 hours. You may not vote in the first 24 hours. The day will end when a majority vote has been reached after 72 hours. In the case of a unanimous vote, the day may end 24 hours early. After the day has been concluded, a night stage will commence, which will last 24 hours (or 48 hours if an emergency comes up). Night actions must be sent to the host in the first 24 20 hours of the night stage. 3.5. Players may not target the same player two nights in a row, and may not target themselves. 4. The alignment of lynched players, as well as any that died during the night, will be revealed at the beginning of the next day. 5. You may not quote or pretend to quote anything sent to you by the host via PM. That includes all the details of your character and role, as well as any night action results. Role claims and reporting of night action results are acceptable, but in your own words only. Do not attempt to use the structure of your role PM to your advantage. 6. Do not play the game outside the thread. Similarly, do not post out of character inside the thread. Game tactics and roles may only be discussed in the game thread or via PM with other players. Private discussion is done at your own risk and should be treated as part of the game. 7. If you are dead, you may not post in thread or discuss the game with any of the players. Any information you had becomes void, and may not be passed on. 8. You may not edit your posts. 9. You must post in every day thread. 10. If you encounter a problem or have a question, please contact the host via PM 11. Violation of the above rules may result in a 5 vote penalty vote penalty per every 4 living players against you, and death upon further offense.

Yes, I suppose it was unreasonable to expect you to vote in the 48 hours prior Anyway, the end of day three is up, and day four is ready, I'll post it a pinch early, after the results are received.

At the end of the day, def comes to greet them and congratulate them on having an interesting voting pattern. "You split the votes and got a conviction! Interesting!" He smiles. "Of course, you'll have to wait until tomorrow to see what his allegiance is." Zepher is confounded. "I still don't get why you're convicting me?! I sort of defended myself, and I kind of participated in the days. I don't get it!" As promised, Cecile Mk II comes out to drag Zepher out to snuff him. Hovering into the room, Cecilie Mk II approaches Zepher, silently, except for the humming of her propulsion unit. Zepher runs through the stages of grief. "You can't kill me! I'm loveable! C'mon! It's not fair! I don't deserve this! Please! I'll make it up to you somehow! No, I've never kissed a girl, this is a life half-lived! My mother will be heartbroken! ...." He sighs, "Alright, I~" A shot rings out. The folks behind him wipe some Zepher off of their shoes. "Cecilie Mk II! No! Bad Cecilie Mk II! We kill the lynchees in the dead of night!" def's scolding goes unheeded.

Sorry, you may post here if you like.

Day Ends, Zepher is convicted. Vote Tally Zepher 8 (Pandora, Tammo, Scouty, Shadows, Dragonator, CallMePie, Darth Potato, Alopex) Big Cam 4 (JimB, iamded, zepher, Adam) Tammo 1 (Nightshroud) Dragonator 1 (Big Cam) Badboy 2 (Trumpetking, TinyPies) non-voter penalty day four: badboy Players have approximately 20 hours to submit their night actions.

Vote Tally Zepher 7 (Pandora, Tammo, Scouty, Shadows, Dragonator, CallMePie, Darth Potato) Big Cam 4 (JimB, iamded, zepher, Adam) Tammo 1 (Nightshroud) Dragonator 1 (Big Cam) Yet to vote: badboy, Alopex, TinyPies, Trumpetking Under 3 hours to go.

Vote Tally Zepher 2 (Pandora, Tammo) Badboy 1 (Trumpetking) Big Cam 5 (JimB, CallMePie, iamded, zepher, Adam) Tammo 1 (Nightshroud) Under 17 hours to go.

Vote Tally Zepher 1 (Pandora) Badboy 1 (Trumpetking) Pandora 1 (Zepher) Big Cam 1 (JimB) Under 27 hours to go.

Vote Tally Zepher 1 (Pandora) Badboy 1 (Trumpetking) Pandora 1 (Zepher) Under 33 hours to go.

Vote Tally: Nobody 41 hours left to vote

By random.org's draw, #17, TinyPies is the new mayor. You may now vote.

In the case nobody votes for mayor, a random draw will determine the position.

Very very very sorry for my lack of professionalism. Dannylonglegs was, of course, Town.

Rick is checking the wall for loose bricks. "There's gotta be a way out. I'm always taken out by day two. I'm lucky to have lived this long!" A dark figure slides up behind him. "Can I help you with anything?" "Yeah, look for loose ~ wha? No!" The figure lays Rick down and slices his throat. "Requiescat in pace." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hours later, another figure sidles up to Pirate Dave, who is doing nothing in particular. "Ke ke ke!" He fires up his chainsaw, which strangely doesn't wake anyone else in the fortress. When he is finished, Dave is in pieces on the floor. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Later in the night, another figure approaches the scattered corpse of PirateDave. "What the heck? Now what am I supposed to do today?" The figure slinks off into the darkness. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Meanwhile, Thomas has taken Hinckley to the basement. " I can still tend the rabbits, Thomas? I didn't mean no harm, Thomas." Thomas indulges him. "Yes, you can still tend the - chk chk - rabbits." And then Hinck is gone. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Def comes out, to share the news. "Good morning, everyone. You'll be not particularly surprised to learn that the town is down three more townies today. How did it come to this? Well, that will be revealed all in due time." "Now, let me say this: the death of Rick should be like the canary in the mineshaft for you. Rick's death in these things is always a dark omen. As well as a 0% rate of killing scum. That's a real bleak omen. While all is not lost, it's not so far off if you don't stop haemorrhaging townies." He pauses, deep in reflection. "I do have one more treat for you. One more guest. Thomas has been working on it since day one. Your lynch assassin for today:" "CECILIE MARK II" "Unfortunately, Cecilie has no voice box, and cannot speak. Now please, vote for a mayor. And maybe let them live this time " The host defThe players Shadows CallMePie Zepher Adam Tamamono JimButcher Scouty Nightshroud99 Trumpetking67 badboytje88 iamded DarthPotato Alopex Pandora Big Cam TinyPiesRUs Dragonator The Deceased Capt. Redblade (Town) Chopped up night zero. Cecilie (Town) Smooshed the morning of day one. Flare (Town) Lynched on day one. Darkdragon (Town) Chopped to itty bitty pieces on Night one. Cornelius Murdock (Town) Throat slit Night one. Dannylonglegs (Town) Got in the way of wild horses on Day two Hinckley (Town) Lynched Day two. Rick (Town) Throat slit Night two PirateDave (Town) Chopped up Night two Rules (deviations from the normal EB rules are struck-through) 1. Each player will be given a character to play, who will be aligned with either the Town or the Scum. To win the game, the Town must kill off all the Scum, while the Scum needs to (knowingly) outnumber the Town. Third-party (neutral)characters have their own win conditions as outlined in their roles. 2. Each day you will be able to vote to lynch a player. Voting will be done in the following format; Vote: Player. Similarly, unvoting is to be done in the format; Unvote: Player. No other format will be accepted. A majority vote is required to lynch a player. The player with the most votes will be lynched. In the case of a tie, the mayor will decide the lynch, through their vote, or by PM if necessary. Voting is mandatory. Failure to vote will incur a vote penalty the following game day. 2.5. A mayor will be elected in the first 24 hours of the game day one. Voting for the mayor will be done in the following format:Mayor: Player. Unvoting for the mayor will not be allowed. One may vote for themselves. In the case of a tie, the first person to achieve that number will win. In the case that the mayor loses their life, a new mayor will be elected in the first 24 hours of the following game day. The mayors single duty will be that of tiebreaker. 3. A game day will last a maximum of 72 hours. You may not vote in the first 24 hours. The day will end when a majority vote has been reached after 72 hours. In the case of a unanimous vote, the day may end 24 hours early. After the day has been concluded, a night stage will commence, which will last 24 hours (or 48 hours if an emergency comes up). Night actions must be sent to the host in the first 24 20 hours of the night stage. 3.5. Players may not target the same player two nights in a row, and may not target themselves. 4. The alignment of lynched players, as well as any that died during the night, will be revealed at the beginning of the next day. 5. You may not quote or pretend to quote anything sent to you by the host via PM. That includes all the details of your character and role, as well as any night action results. Role claims and reporting of night action results are acceptable, but in your own words only. Do not attempt to use the structure of your role PM to your advantage. 6. Do not play the game outside the thread. Similarly, do not post out of character inside the thread. Game tactics and roles may only be discussed in the game thread or via PM with other players. Private discussion is done at your own risk and should be treated as part of the game. 7. If you are dead, you may not post in thread or discuss the game with any of the players. Any information you had becomes void, and may not be passed on. 8. You may not edit your posts. 9. You must post in every day thread. 10. If you encounter a problem or have a question, please contact the host via PM 11. Violation of the above rules may result in a 5 vote penalty vote penalty per every 4 living players against you, and death upon further offense.

Hinckley confronts his accusers. "I know I was acting scummy! That's the whole point! If I was actually scummy, I wouldn't act scummy! Gah! Geez! <waltz waltz waltz>" "Well folks, I can't tell you if he was scum or not, but I can promise you one thing: There will be a lot less to read on day three!" Def addresses Pelly. "Pelly, I need you to take out the trash, wink wink. Why aren't you down there?" "....." "Folks, Pelly is upset that the Banana Sphinx has left the building, and refuses to kill. What can we do?" "......" "Oh really? Sounds intriguing." A whirling and chugging is heard approaching the room. In rolls... something. A monotone voice emits from the wheeled contraption. "I am - chk chk chk - Thomas. I am your - chk chk chk - doom." Hinckley takes in the hulking device. "You're taking me to the afterlife, right? I got so much to say! Ah man, I wanna go. Let's go!" Hinckley begins to skedaddle. As they exit, Thomas squelches, "Father, how do I turn off it's - chk chk chk - voice box? It is - chk chi - malfunctioning." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ About 11 hours left to get in those night actions.

Night two falls, and players are permitted to ramble into the morning.

Vote Tally: Hinckley 10 (Zepher, Tammo, Big Cam, Nightshroud, JimButcher, Alopex, CallMePie, Adam, badboy, DarthPotato) Pandora 7 (Scouty, Dragonator, Shadows, iamded, TinyPies, Piratedave, TrumpetKing) Shadows 3 (Rick, Pandora, Hinckley) About 5 minutes left. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hinckley is convicted. Day ends. No vignette in the next few hours, but before day two. Players have 20 hours to get night actions in.

Vote Tally: Hinckley 13 (Zepher, Tammo, Big Cam, TrumpetKing, Nightshroud, JimButcher, Alopex, CallMePie, Adam, badboy, DarthPotato) Pandora 6 (Scouty, Dragonator, Shadows, iamded, TinyPies, Piratedave) Shadows 2 (Rick, Pandora) About an hour left

Vote Tally: Hinckley 12 (Zepher, Tammo, Big Cam, Pandora, TrumpetKing, Nightshroud, JimButcher, Alopex, CallMePie, Adam, badboy, DarthPotato) Pandora 6 (Scouty, Dragonator, Shadows, iamded, TinyPies, Piratedave) Shadows 1 (Rick) About an hour and a half left

Vote Tally: Hinckley 14 (Zepher, Tammo, Big Cam, Pandora, TrumpetKing, Piratedave, Nightshroud, JimButcher, Alopex, CallMePie, Rick, Adam, badboy, DarthPotato, ) Pandora 6 (Hinckley, Scouty, Dragonator, Shadows, iamded, TinyPies) Just under three hours left.