Bob

The Speaker role is something that was given to you after you were elected. Did I ignore the protector? Yes, because you haven't mentioned the protector at all today. I'm assuming the protector was killed off rather early on as well. If you're saying there's still a protector among us in addition to a watcher, investigator, and vigilante, then you're even crazier than I thought. And once again you're being inconsistent. At this late stage in the game, the vigilante should be used every night. The vigilante is not supposed to go out on the first night. That's probably how you caught the Vig. You got lucky and tracked the right person. You're all fine and dandy with "thinning the herd" and voting off Molly, but you had a problem with sending the vigilante out after her last night instead? That doesn't make sense. The two viewpoints are radically different. You are floundering. You're trying hard to counter my points, I can tell, but I've caught you in lies and inconsistencies. You're scum. It's as simple as that. My numerical data is sound. You can't expect people to believe that we have three town power roles left, including the vigilante, and that only a few people are unconfirmed and you're not going to go after them. We don't have a vigilante anymore, you've taken the Vig out of the game. Even if you do manage to convince enough people to vote me out, you've lost. I'll come back as town tomorrow and then you'll be impeached yourself no matter what your fake investigator has brought you.

One last thing. I can probably tell you all why Hatley was killed as well. He blocked Pierce on Night Three, as we all know, which led to a Pierce lynch on Day Five. Siegfried obviously knew that Pierce was town, but he probably told Gerald in private that Pierce had to be scum since he was blocked and there wasn't a kill. He had Hatley photographed last night so he couldn't be a liability in the future and so he couldn't come out against Siegfried and the "town block" today.

Another thing I've only just realized, the numbers don't even support there being a vigilante, investigator, and watcher left amongst the town. Let's analyze what the speaker says. He is saying that he is vanilla and that Molly and I are scum. That leaves five people that could have night actions. He claims that Archie was investigated last night, making him unlikely to be in the town block and therefore unlikely to have a night action. This leaves Bjorn, Tiny, Addie, or Lloyd to have the three night actions, meaning that in Siegfried's mind that there are only three people that aren't confirmed town. So why hasn't he sent the vigilante out to kill us? Why has there only been scum kills for the last few days? Why has he been keeping our vigilante in the wings? There is no vigilante. The vigilante should be used every night in every game to target the scummiest person. So why hasn't there been a double kill since Night One? There is no vigilante. The numbers do not support Dixon. The logic does not support Dixon. The inconsistencies he's made don't support Dixon. He's all for getting rid of the scummy people in the voting process, but he doesn't support sending the vigilante after scummy people? That doesn't make any sense. It's not logical. It does not work. There is no vigilante. I don't know how much plainer I can be. We have been played. I have now brought in numerical data to support my claims. Anybody who supports Dixon is scum at this point. Either that or they are just delusional.

I was in line to be lynched, but I was not meant to be lynched today. I was also not in the know that I was to be lynched. Again, I reiterate, how is this a desperate scum flail? Everything I've posted today is extremely probable and highly likely, if not the truth. I've provided so much evidence to support it. I have offered to be investigated by you, I have offered to be vig killed by you, and then I realized, I suppose I can't, because both of those roles are gone now. You're only pretending to be in contact with both of them. There is no longer a town block. The town block is likely made up of scum and one vanilla townie who was "cleared". You likely didn't plan on bussing Sinclair. You only intended on bussing Stanley after his posts on Day Three, and when the investigator, again, likely Maurice, came to you with the result that Sinclair was scum, you of course had no alternative but to bring it out to the rest of us. Your continuous attempts to insult me will not stop me from accusing you. You are scum and that is that. If you wish to run away from this, go right on ahead. And there's scum number two to help with the lynch. He's going to go with the one who spearheaded the lynch on two scum. By that, he means he's going to go with the one who bussed two of his own to make himself look better. Does nobody else see how transparent they're being now? They aren't even trying to hide what they're doing. I repeat what I've been saying. There is no vigilante, there is no investigator, there is no longer any town power roles. They've gotten rid of them all. If I'm lynched today, the "vigilante" (scum killer) will take out Molly tonight, and when Siegfried is asked tomorrow why I was innocent and why there was only one kill, he'll say that the scum must have gone for him and that I was so scummy in my accusations towards someone who lynched two scum. Don't you people see? It's so obvious that they're both just playing you. I also urge everyone to vote today. If there's a no-lynch or if I'm lynched and not everyone has voted, don't let Siegfried take your vote tomorrow. It will just ensure a scum victory, and I can't handle an entire day of him gloating to everyone that there's nothing they can do to stop him.

You're either scum or extremely delusional. I can't decide which yet. I don't know if you're in this town block, maybe you are, maybe you're not, but you're being played. I've exposed Dixon using logical deduction and reasoning combined with behavioral analysis and catching his inconsistencies and you're voting for me regardless because I made a mistake on how the Speaker's role works? You're exactly the sort of sheep townie that Dixon is looking for to follow him. You presented a similar situation to my own earlier but just chalked it up to paranoia, so I know you're at least sort of thinking for yourself. Well this one is surprising. I expected you to immediately vote for me, but you're at least entertaining my position. I've found you a bit scummy from the start just by a few actions, and I suppose I've never really revisited that initial suspicion. You not understanding the logic on Archie being scum is exactly what he and the other scum were hoping for. It's such a foolish and risky gambit to out yourself publicly like that, everyone figures no scum would ever do something like that. Add to the fact that Siegfried was there to cover for him and then say that Archie was investigated as town and you've got an airtight alibi. Except for the fact that the investigator is no longer in this game and Siegfried can say whatever he likes about whoever and claim the "investigator" told him so. Maybe I'm wrong, perhaps Addie isn't scum and Bjorn is. I know I'm one hundred percent right on Siegfried and Archie, though, and I'll be sticking to that. As I've said before, I have provided a great deal of evidence ranging from inconsistencies to behavior analysis to a plausible and logical hypothesis. The only evidence that's being brought against me is that some of my posts in the past have been "scummy" because I've chosen to think for myself the entire game and not follow Dixon blindly like everyone else was. The only reason I'm still around is because Dixon was counting on me to be a sheep for the rest of the game and follow him no matter what like some of you are. As I've said, of course he would use the line "the guy who helped deliver two scum." It's now his trump card that he's bussed two of his own teammates in order to secure him in a better position. Remember this: I was not in line to be lynched today and I had no knowledge that I would be taken out by Siegfried tonight. There would be no reason for me to flail around like this if I was scum. I have given you entire walls of text worth of evidence to support my claims. The only accusation Siegfried is levying against me is that I'm going after him, which means I'm scum. Being suspicious of someone in a mafia game does not make you scum. Going after someone that you strongly believe is scum in a mafia game does not make you scum. It means you're able to think for yourself. Have I had a "quiet" game? Yes, and with good reason. If I was out in public going after people like this the entire game, I would have been taken out a long time ago. Siegfried was hoping for me to just be complacent and be "regular Bob", and I did that for him just so I could watch for a slip up and examine it closely. And I found one earlier while I was accusing Archie. For the sake of the Loyalists I urge you to vote for him.

You shared it with everyone towards the end of Day Five, though. Not as soon as the day started and not as soon as you received the message. There was nothing helpful you could have received from drawing out a conversation with him. Your conversation ended with him the moment Day Four concluded. Why didn't you post it immediately at the start of Day Five? Perhaps because you didn't want to ruin the Pierce lynch that you and Siegfried had set up? As soon as Pierce started questioning the message, who else but Siegfried jumped in to save your bacon and say that it seemed to be a pretty townie move. That pacified the rest of us townies, who were admittedly all acting like sheep at that point. Also, the entire point of the private message is silly. There's no reason he, as someone who was about to die, would be able to convert you. There's no reason he would even tell you that you were going to be converted. Which means you were probably converted that night anyway despite that he was impeached that day. That explains why you waited until the end of Day Five to post it. A Pierce lynch was already secured and you wanted to have a few days to talk over with your new scum buddies how to proceed. You decided that hey, why not post that message that Sinclair sent me in an attempt to make myself look town? It fooled me until I took a closer look at it. I reiterate that the scum team is Siegfried and Archie, and maybe Addie. Vote for Siegfried today and when I get photographed tonight out of retribution by Archie, vote for him tomorrow. Do not believe any more of their lies!

Where are Bjorn, Tiny, Molly, and Lloyd's votes? Where do you all stand? I full well expect Addie and Archie to side with the speaker since one or both of them is scum. I'm sounding like a broken record repeating myself, but I will. There are no more power roles left. If you are a townie in Siegfried's "town block" then you are being lied to. It's as simple as that. Since Tiny didn't have his vote stolen after all, then that means the scum have a maximum of three votes today, depending on how many scum are left. Siegfried is hoping you will ignore the explanation I've provided and just go on his track record that he's spearheaded the lynch of two scum. Despite what Dixon wants you to think, this is not the last desperate Hail Mary of a depleted and battered scum team. This is an attempt to impeach someone who is so obviously scum. Take a look at this as well. This is the message that Sinclair sent to Archie: Why does he specifically mention "Dixon and the loyalists?" Why doesn't he just say the loyalists? It's almost as though Sinclair or Archie wanted it abundantly clear that Dixon is loyal by including him in this private message as being the "leader of the loyalists." Also, why does he sign this letter using his username and not his character name? What does "Sent this to Adam" mean in the front? Did Archie just copy and paste this from the scum writeboard? Everything about this is so, so wrong. There's not much time left for us to get this right, town. If I'm lynched today and Molly is taken out tonight, that will mean the game is over if there's three scum. If there's only two scum left, Dixon will be able to lead a lynch against a random townie tomorrow using his watcher tactic and throw any suspicion off of him by claiming that "Bobby was so scummy, everyone in the town block agreed he was scum." Then the town lose the game because he'll be able to kill someone that night after railroading out a townie, making the scum even the townies. Please, vote for Siegfried. I've driven a truck through all of the holes in his stories, pointed out his inconsistencies, and established a plausible and logical theory. Siegfried is trying to use his two bussed scum buddies and his abbrasive attitude to try and get me lynched instead.

I've provided the town with an abundance of evidence and a hypothesis built on logical deduction. Your accusations against me are non-existent. You're trying to get the town to go against me because I've stood up to you. The only reasons you've provided listing me as scum is that I'm going against you and that you get a scum vibe off of me. I've been active the entire game. Have I had the "successes" that you've been having? No, I didn't know who the scum were from the start of the game, and therefore I couldn't bus them like you can. To turn your other point back on you, so far you're the only vote against me. I like how you're daring people to vote for you. It's the ultimate scum ploy. "Vote for me, I win anyway and it'll root out all the scum!" I've seen quite a few people read the thread and then disappear. Where are you going? Make your thoughts known in public. I imagine there's only us vanillas left with maybe a watcher, but the watcher role might just be another lie that Siegfried was going to use to railroad one of us out. We don't have the night actions that the scum have, but we can still win this through voting. Like I said, anyone who doesn't vote for Siegfried is either scum or extremely blind.

By Vig kill, you mean scum kill, correct? The vigilante is gone and with the blocker and investigator also gone I imagine there's no town power roles left. That means it's time for the scum to start killing off the vanilla townies, like myself. Nothing you've said in the past few hours is consistent or makes sense. You're just insulting me and Molly. Granted, I don't understand what Molly is doing or what her thought process is, but I still consider her to be town. Of course you've been taunting the scum to kill you, you are scum and if we do have a watcher left, it would incapacitate them and force them to watch you every night. I've been paying attention this entire game. You're just acting sour now because I've caught you in a web of inconsistencies and lies.

I'm glad you've proven me exactly right. You couldn't resist bringing up that you've voted off two scum. "Oh, yes, I've spearheaded the lynch of two scum, I'm totally innocent, don't worry." The people that don't vote for Siegfried are scum, it's as plain and simple as that. They are not members of the so-called "town block" that probably doesn't exist anymore or has been completely infiltrated by scum with one actual townie still there. If you are a townie in the town-block, you are being played. I once again urge all remaining townies to vote for Siegfried. The message that he's sent to the "town-block" was probably sent to scum members. I repeat again, there is no longer a vigilante. The Speaker's actions in thread are not consistent with his actions behind the scenes. In thread, he's cavalier about the lives of unconfirmed townies, willing to vote them out. Behind the scenes, he's been "ordering the vigilante to lie in wait" and to not take out anybody because there's no evidence of anybody being scummy. Why isn't he ordering to take me out? He considers me scummy. Why isn't he ordering to take Molly out? He considers her scummy. Why didn't he order Pierce to be taken out? So we could waste an entire day lynching him allowing another town power role to be taken out, that's why. The vigilante is not lying in wait, the vigilante is out of office. Anybody who refuses to see this is either lying to themselves or is scum.

It's because you've already taken out all of the other town power roles. I hope everyone notices there's only been one night kill ever since after Night One. The Speaker would like you to think that it's because the scum are targeting him every night or are being blocked, even though he's claiming vanilla townie. Why would the scum target him every night if he's just the Speaker? His only power is silencing someone and stealing their vote. Last night, however, our blocker was killed, presumably by the scum. I offered to be killed on Night Four because Siegfried saw me as very suspicious and I didn't want them to waste the day on me. Now I see why I wasn't taken out it's because we no longer have a vigilante. Our vigilante was likely taken out very early on in the game, meaning anyone from Carol to Jacob could have been the vigilante. He probably bussed Stanley on Day Three after Stanley screwed up in thread or maybe the entire thing was staged so Siegfried could appear more loyal. However, there was a problem soon after: the town investigator caught one of his fellow scum, Sinclair. Siegfried knew that it would look very suspicious on his part if he didn't bring it out to the open, so he had to bus one of his other scum, making him look all the more loyal. Also on Day Four, Siegfried mentions that Pierce was blocked last night, setting the stage for a Pierce lynch on Day Five. Ho hum, Pierce was innocent, but the speaker gets away unscathed because he's already spearheaded the lynch on two townies. I'm willing to bet that Maurice was our investigator, and he was taken out on Night Four so he couldn't find anymore scum. This is why I wasn't killed on Night Four by the vigilante. This means that contrary to what Siegfried is saying, we no longer have an investigator. This means that Archie was in fact not investigated last night and is why there was such a difference in his opinions earlier today about who was investigated last night. It's always bothered me as to why you weren't taken out on Night One. The scum always go for someone in a power position - you said so yourself on Day One: So why are you still alive? The vigilante wouldn't go for the Speaker, but the scum certainly would, but they targeted someone else on that day. Then there's this on Day Two: Was Winifred our vigilante? Is that why she was killed on Night One? Did you somehow get her to claim to you by making up some nonsense about being the Speaker and coordinating a town block? Winifred is much more experienced than that to claim to you right away, granted, but there's always the possibility of that. You should have been taken out by the scum on Night One so they could install one of their own in the position the next day, but you weren't. In fact, you weren't even targeted at all by them. If you were targeted by them, there would have been only one kill on Night One, not two. I'm willing to hazard a guess that there's two or three scum left. The scum team is most likely Siegfried, Addie, and Archie. The scum have at the most four votes today. Yes, that's right, four, because Siegfried can steal a vote off of someone. You might notice that Tiny hasn't spoken all day today. That's because he's been silenced and his vote has been stolen off of him by the speaker. It takes five votes to lynch today. The scum have already cast their vote today to get us to lynch Molly because she's "useless and a distraction": You both voted within twenty minutes of each other in hopes of starting another bandwagon. Siegfried figured the town would of course follow him because he's lynched two scum the entire game and nobody else has lynched any. He's thinning the herd, alright, but he's thinning the town herd for a scum victory. Unvote: Archie Matthews (Adam) Vote: Siegfried Dixon (Speedy) I urge all remaining townies to read what I've said carefully and to vote for the Speaker. As I've said, Siegfried and his cohorts have at the maximum four votes today and it takes five votes to lynch. They're counting on a townie to follow him blindly and vote for anything he says. I imagine he and the others will start a vote against me, since I'm coming after him. I full well expect him to try and lie his way out of this one as well.

There's isn't much of a long-term anymore. I imagine there's two scum left, at the maximum three (if they did convert someone). This game is going to end very soon if we make a mistake today.

How come this... Doesn't quite match up with this: In the first post you mention you had a town reading on someone last night but you don't exactly trust it because of how they've been acting publicly and privately? Then in the second post you mention that Archie was cleared last night and that you completely believe him. It's a bit inconsistent and it doesn't really match up. Which is it? Do you trust Archie and believe his claims and reading or do you think he's somehow able to mask his scumness in his investigations?

When exactly was Archie investigated?

No. Now is not the time to "thin the herd" or vote off unhelpful people. There's a chance that Molly might be scum, yes, but we can't afford to lose any more townies if she's not. Molly might be spectacularly unhelpful, but I don't get a scum read off of her. She sent me this: It's more complete and utter nonsense, but would a scum really confront me privately telling me that I'm the last scum and that I'm going to be voted off? Vote: Archie Matthews / Adam I've listed a multitude of reasons above. I believe Archie to be a better choice than Molly.

It's a good ploy to make yourself look to be town. "Oh, I'm town, but I was approached by the scum to be converted." It instantly makes you appear town because no scum should try such a story. Why would he contact just you? It's not like you were crucial to his lynch, you just hopped onto the bandwagon mid-vote. Even if you agreed to be converted to the Octan, what difference would that have made to help him out? He was done for already and he knew it. If he was the designated converter then he wouldn't have been able to convert you anyway since he would have been lynched that day. Also, since when does a converter need to ask the convertee if he'd like to join the scum team? Why didn't you share that he contacted you instantly instead of trying to string him along? You didn't honestly think that he would be dumb enough to give away his entire scum team to you, right? Why did you wait until almost the end of Day Five to say something about it? Why not in the beginning of Day Five? You can't use the excuse that you weren't around then, you'd been posting the entire day. Furthermore, why didn't you do a direct quote from the PM thread that you two had? Anybody can fake a conversation by just using the quote tags. Did you delete it? What other messages did you guys exchange? Did he say anything else to you that's worthwhile repeating to the rest of us? I see two scenarios here: Scenario One: You've been scum this entire game. There's been two successful scum lynches in a row and in order to make yourself look like town you try out the riskiest gambit by saying that Sinclair attempted to convert you. You concoct a fake message with Sinclair or you fake the message yourself and use it to try and encourage dialogue amongst the town. Everyone believes you and nobody really gives it a second glance. Scenario Two: You were converted on Night Four by the scum team anyway even with Sinclair's impeachment and arrest and after lengthy discussion on the scum writeboard, you decide to post the message that Sinclair sent you to make yourself look innocent and not converted. After all, the last thing a newly converted scum would want to do is attract attention to themselves by posting that they were converted. Especially if they've been flying under the radar this entire game. Does nobody else find this at least remotely fishy? Am I seriously the only one? I'll be voting for you today, Archie.

I don't see my opinions changing for anybody except for Archie and Molly. Molly I changed from extremely confusing to town because of her nonsense. Archie I changed from a town read to a scum read because of the conversion nonsense, and how it might have been a ploy to make himself look innocent. I've been consistently getting scum read intuitions from Lloyd and Tiny, and I've always been accusing you. In both spots I said I thought Bjorn was town. I've given a multitude of reasons through the entire game. I've been suspecting you since Day One, and the reasons are still exactly the same. Your attempts to cast doubt on my statements and bring up false accusations is noted, however. Still no reasons as to why you're voting for me? Anything? Do you want to be lynched? Are you some sort of a jester character? The scum won't touch you because you're such a great distraction and us townies need you because you're at least preventing a scum win.

How did you reach this conclusion? There's eight of us left. I'm not scum and I'd say Siegfried is confirmed town. Bjorn also reads as town to me, and you do as well. No scum would act this dumb. That leaves Lloyd, Tiny, and Addie. I left out Archie because although I've been getting a town read from him, he may well have actually been converted and is now bringing it out in public to make himself appear to be an almost confirmed townie. I don't know if we should focus so much on Molly. Almost everything she's said today is utter nonsense with no evidence to support her claims, but at the same time, I think she's loyal because of her outbursts of crazy and dumb. Unless someone has anything better to bring forward, I will be voting for Addie or Tiny.

I thought for sure Pierce was scum, especially considering the range of emotions he went through yesterday. As for Gerald, that's a shock as well. I'm thinking Gerald was a Vig kill, since he was a prime suspect and the scum wouldn't want to get rid of him because they hoped we would spend the entire day going for him. Top of my list is Addie, although my scumdar is completely broken at this point. I'm getting somewhat of a town read on Bjorn and Archie. I don't know what I'm getting from Molly, but Lloyd and Tiny are also a bit fishy to me, just out of pure intuition. I'd like to hear what some other people have to say.

That's it? You're not going to try to get me or anyone else to change their minds? You're going through all the stages of a caught scum. Initially jokingly giving up, an adequate defense to change our minds, "accepting" that you're going to be lynched and offering to be a sacrifice, and now going almost full circle and pretty much actually giving up. You've been in this thread every time I've showed up here, so it's obvious you still care. You're just trying to make it seem like you don't care. Make us see that you care. Try something other than nothing.

I don't think I buy it, sorry. Between your odd posts earlier and then actually voting for yourself it seems weird that you've done a complete turn around and are now trying to defend yourself. You've even gone the martyr route, probably to make me look suspicious for doing the same thing when you turn up as scum tomorrow. I just can't buy that you'd go from a lazy defence to now kicking it up only a few hours later without some sort of a pep talk or a radical change in plans on the scumboard to account for your going down. We should probably look at the people he claimed were scum, which includes myself and Hatley. I know I'm not scum, but he could have called Hatley scum as a deflection for when he turns up as Octan tomorrow.

Vote: Pierce Davy (Piratedave) A brief admission of guilt, perhaps, before returning after being pep talked?

Because Siegfried hasn't come out and announced it yet. He told us almost instantly yesterday.

You're not on it as much as you used to be. I think this post actually helps in taking you off of it, because if you were scum I doubt you'd try drawing attention to yourself this way. As I said to you before, I'm not privy to any backroom events like you are. You're in contact with the vigilante from what I gather, and you would know if the vigilante committed a kill. I would not know this. Therefore, I'm left to wonder if Maurice was taken out by scum or by the vigilante. If you're 99.9% sure that Maurice was scum killed, then I'll take your word on that one. I had told you that I was fine with sacrificing myself and being killed last night by the vigilante so you didn't waste your time with me today. You were calling me scum yesterday and you're again calling me scum today. I'm a vanilla townie, I was fine with falling on my sword last night so you wouldn't focus on me today. Instead I'm probably going to be railroaded and bandwagoned since there's obviously been no Octan investigated last night.

Do we know if Pierce was blocked last night again? Maurice could have been a vig takedown. Addie is still on my scum list. Lloyd and Tiny are still reading scummy towards me, too.