Scubacarrot

No problem at all!

You are just flailing now. I don't see how anyone can have a problem with us lynching Dragmall, and if Wary wants to be scummy, he can kill Petrus at night. The result would be the same. I think it's like this: Two groups, probably of four scum each started this. They each thought THEY were the actual scum teams, in fact they both are. I don't see how the rules break with this. I like to draw your attention on something Dagrun said: "We can't win if Dragmall is alive!" or something along those lines. You might brush that off as: Because Dragmall is the town leader, but it was not said that he'd be the smartest option. Dagrun's group NEEDED to kill Dragmall. I think this is why: If the scumleaders get their mirror killed, they get all the remaining members from that team, that's what makes most sense. See: what happens. Option 1: We lynch Dragmall, Wary does his thing and kills Petrus. Result 1: Dragmall is found out scum, Petrus town. We were right, it's just a matter of mobbing up and Dragmall and Canute know it. Result 2(according to Dragmall and the league of Evil Gentlemen): Dragmall is town, Petrus is scum, According to Dragmall's whole theory (again, based on the words of a dead scum), the last scum would be dead. Town Wins anyway Neither Result gets the town lost. Option 2: We Lynch Petrus, Wary kills Rurik (I'm assuming?) . Result 1: Petrus is Town, according to a lot of what we've determined, this could very well cause the town to lose outright. Result 2: Petrus is scum, town wins. So there are four possibilties, with two options. I say we take the one with the least risk, obviously. NOT TO MENTION IT ALL MAKES SENSE. You are just flailing and calling me stupid and dumb because you are in the corner. All I can say is: Crawl. More.

I was taking the conversion into account, although that would be 3-5. It's a possibility there's a third party out there still or something, I don't know. Five scum left seems like a lot, but I guess you'd know better than I do? I never said it was ridiculous, the story Dagrun told was ridiculous, absolutely, you don't agree? Clearly there must be some truth to it, as Dagrun would never have told Wary all that shit if he was not going to be converted. Here's what I think: Dagrun did have a conversion, but it was not a two part, and she did not have any allies to do it for her. I think she was alone and was going to use it on Wary that night. It explains why there was no kill, too. A lot in general about Dagrun's story can be explained with it. You know what, I really wanted to win a game, but apparantly people rather hand their victory over to people with flawed logic, who go out of their way not to respond to shit... It's really logical if my theory is what happened, you just have to think about it for five minutes, there are a lot of things we did not quite understand that can be explained with it. I am not sure about all the details, but I am convinced this is right. If you are Town, I urge you to look at the events of the past with the idea that there are two scum factions with the same name (it's not that odd, really now, it also explains Dagrun's mentioned distrust and the fact that we catched a bazillion scum so easily). I'm not going to try and actively convince people, all I get is people making stupid faces and the townies that can't see through them.

That's not what I said at all. I really, really hope you are part of them, because otherwise this post is epitome of dumbness. Really. Townies everywhere cringe after seeing this.

I think there are four or three actually. You have access to at least one night kill,and perhaps a conversion. If you were to kill someone tonight in addition to Petrus' lynch: it would be 4-4, a win for the scum. I think the people in it are: Dragmall (100%), Canute (Wasn't sure of earlier today, but the fact that he's behaving like an idiot is a 100% for me. In addition to the dismissive nature of it, he just does not act like this as a townie.), Wary (He's shown a hell of a lot of allegiance to Dragmall, not to the town, but to Dragmall, can't deny that) I'm not sure about the rest, Cranebeinn is likely innocent. It's possible Carl is just dumb. Offense intended, go megablocking read, it's not hard, you learned it at elementary school. I don't know about Sveinn, others said he'd be clear, I'm not so sure. Wilhalm is clear in my eyes, he does not do shit, but yeah. Patrekr seems clear in my eyes as well. Dragmall tried to get Wilhalm and Patrekr lynched anyways.

You keep making stupid faces, what, words are too hard?

Come on guys, you must see: Killing Dragmall is the far superior option: If we lynch Dragmall, and he is found innocent, what happens? Nothing, we kill Petrus tomorrow. He is according to Dragmall the last scum, isn't he? If we lynch Petrus and he is innocent, we might very well lose the damn game. Think about that. Vote: Dragmall (Dragonator)

I don't see this as a possibility, it would be incredibly hard for the town even if they had the ability to do that once. One good use and the whole town would collapse on itself if it was not found out that it had been used. If something like this does exist, we'd have a counter, and I haven't seen evidence that we do. So in short: it's very unlikely.

They are fine. Think of them as things to sweep up crumbs. Besides, if you want to make them more powerful, become a cannoneer, and if you'd buff them, they'd be imbalanced for the newer players. Doesn't mean there can't be rare upgraded versions to be found?

Keep crawling. It's getting obvious... Comments about my face are many when I'm hitting a nerve, it seems.

Look at him crawl! It's amazing!

So let me bring the events as they have happened in song, not responding and instead making stupid faces is not going to help you. If you are town, you'd consider this option. I don't agree with all of Petrus' assumptions, I don't think all the people Petrus mentioned are scum, and I don't think the merge happened like that, if at all. The fact that you are not even CONSIDERING this worries me. THINK GOD DAMN IT. So this is the tale of the two groups of scum, Hervi's Pigsnugglers, and Dragmall's Dragondicks. On the first day, they all went their way, maybe they knew, or maybe not, but the scum did their thing, and no bells did ring. Then on the first eve, a skull was cleaved, it was Jormund, who bit the dust. Dragmall's group was perplexed, who was this imposter! Then on the next day, the leaders attacked each other indeed! Words were swung, and threats were made! Then the conclusion was clear! If either of them was to win, a truce would have to be made! But one group, was stronger than the other, so how it'd be solved? Relentless, Dragmall's group pulled to the flame, their own Gerrid! If the groups were to trust, equal they'd have to be! The very next day, Dragmall was done, he called off the truce, or perhaps Hervi had forced his hand, and he'd had to go! Hervi the traitorous bastard was sentenced, and an ugly grave was made! Then Sigmund did die, seemingly, out of nowhere! but it was the Dragondicks, who knew all along! Then later it was clear, the Pigsnugglers were done for! Beorn, fell for his own, Dragun, desperate and perhaps alone, tried hard to save them! If she'd kill Dragmall, his minions she'd get, but alas for her, faith was playing hard to geeeeeeet! The wildcard is Wary. I don't know if he was part of Dragmall's team from the beginning, or was converted. I think the second is more feasible? Although I could be wrong...

I'm leaving it at no healing, for now. Maybe Sandy says something differently.

Details, details.

Don't try to confuse me, I'm a wizard and I say it's magical.

Thanks guys, until further notice, I'm treating it as no healing.

Results of Round Four of the Creepy Basement Battle: Boomingham throws Bone at Ghost Skrall vs. "Suffering" - Shield Marking the Favoured (WP: 8 + 2 + level 21 = 31 x 3 = 93 x 2 = 186 Damage Dealt) Nyx vs. herself with healing staff - Magic Counter (27+5 Healing) Atramor heals Boomingham - Heal More (WP: 10 x 2 + level 22 = 42 Health Healed, -1 ether) Ellaria nurtures Atramor - Nurture More (WP: 10 x 2 + level 17 = 37 Health Healed, -1 ether) Once again Boomingham throws a bone to distract the ghost. Atramor and Ellaria get their healing off, while Skrall continues his hitting streak and dealing damage. Nyx hits herself with her healing staff, and in a fumble, manages to heal herself with both ends, leaving her in pain, but good to go. Enemies: Ghost of ??? Type: Undead Level: 46 Health: 760/760 Special: Stare of the void: Petrifies the Hero, and Seals everyone else. Drops: Ectoplasm, ??? Hood Enchanted Statue "Suffering"*Deadly Poisoned**Bleeding (5 Damage)(goes away when healed to full health)**Afraid (Deals and takes half damage from players)**Knocked back, deals half damage, and takes half damage from melee attacks (1 round)* Type: Mechanical Level: 42 11 Health: 436/840 Special: Suffering of the Taken: Makes intense wounds to appear all over the Hero, causing the Deadly Poisoned, Bleeding (for 5 Damage), Fragile and Afraid effects. Drops: Silver Claw, Silver Longsword Party: Lord Lawrence Boomingham (Zepher) -Party Leader- Level 19.5 Paladin *Counterstriking* Power: 32 Defense: 7 Health: 41/41 Ether: 13/13 Gold: 150 (Owes 100 to Gurnam) Equipment: King of the Desert (Longsword) (WP: 9, Fire, Darkness, Earth) Round Metal Shield (SP: 7), Hood of Belthazar Bluehood (+4 to Power, -6 to Ether), Counterstrike Gloves (On Free Hits, Deals damage to enemy equal to Boomingham's level) Inventory: , Frozen Saber (WP: 9, stunned effect, Light), Scupperer (WP: 10, Causes Bleeding Effect for 5 Damage until remedied or healed to full health), Shiver (WP: 11, Ice), Shadeux Shield (SP: 5), Dress Uniform (User is encouraged for the 1st round of battle), Bedroll, 4 Bones, 4 Meads, 1 Potion, 1 Phoenix essence, Pick-axe, 1 Grand Tonic, Emerald Lamp of Summoning, Mysterious Map Skrall (Waterbrick Down)*Favors Humanoid and Mechanical Enemies* *Immunity to Slowed and Bound* Level 21.66 Hunter Power: 41 Health: 35/35 Gold: 199 (Owes 125 to Gurnam) Equipment: Leojagd (Greatsword, WP:20, User is Slowed), Hunter's Quiver (Bows and Crossbows +2WP, allows Hunters to favor two types of enemies), Winged Sandles (Immunity to Slowed and Bound effects), Lucky Doubloon (Accessory, Grants "Special Guard" Inventory: Hunter's Crossbow (WP:11, +4 vs. Beasts), Heavy Crossbow (WP:8, Knockback), ), Smoke Bomb x1, Grand Potion, Zoot's Plaything, Mead Nyx (Pandora) Level 22.66 Battle Mage *Immune to Asleep and Sealed effects* Defense: 3 Health: 31/31 Ether: 31/32 Gold: 180 (Owes 125 to Gurnam) Equipment: Book of a Thousand Creatures (WP: 13; each hit has a 1/3 chance to summon a creature Edgar to aid the hero), Sandman's Parasol (immune to Asleep) Robe of the Archmagi (SP:3, Max. Ether +5, protects from Sealed-effect) Inventory: Dawnstar II (WP: 9), The Fishstick (WP:7 Double damage while on ships), Shiny Helmet (+1 Max Health), Monkey Bar (all minions, pets, summons etc are Hastened), Healing Staff (WP: 5; healing effect), Wooden Shield (SP:2), Ruby (Fire), Amethyst (Darkness), Topaz (Lightning), Sapphire (Wind), Emerald (Wood), Aquamarine (Water), Garnet (Earth), Scroll of Weakening, Mead, Potion, Tonics (2), Grand Tonics (2), Holy Bomb, Bones (5), Ether Core, 2x Bedroll, Bomb XX Atramor Gibbin (CallMePie) Level 22.33 Witch *Deals Badly Poisoned**Counterstriking* Health: 38/39 Ether: 0/20 Gold: 195 (Owes 187 to Gurnam) Equipment:Ratsbane (WP: 10, absorbs 2 health on successful strike, Fire, Ice, Earth, Wind elemental), Witch's Talisman (Poisoned Hits becomes Badly Poisoned Hits), Counterstrike Gloves (When hit by a Free Hit, immediately deals damage equal to level), Marksman's Monocle (Misses are rerolled), Inventory: Explosive Staff – WP: 12 (Does 1/2 damage to all enemies on a successful hit (normal damage to targeted enemy) and 1/2 WP damage to self on a roll of 4 (disregarding SP/row)),Ratmancer's Cowl (Deals double damage against Vermin), Sword of Ancestral Hatred (WP: 6, gains 1 WP every kill made with it), Heavy Flail (WP: 5 Fragile Effect), Staff of the Elven Warlock (WP: 5, wood elemental), Topaz(Lightning), Fire Bomb, Bomb XX (Deals 30 damage to all enemies and 10 damage to all heroes, all damage ignoring SP/row), Dragon Scale (Gives Lucky and Blessed effects on consumption), Strivvian Keystone, Shovel, Pickaxe Ellaria Arbour (Sandy) Level 17 Druid *Immune to Sealed effect* Power: 30 (26) Health: 32/32 Ether: 4/22 Gold: 96 Equipment: Ignis Fatuus (WP:10, fire-elemental staff), Mage's Muffler (protects from Sealed effect) Black Bandana (+3 Power), Inventory: Sylvania's Crossbow (WP:6, wood-elemental crossbow), (Potion, 2 Grand Potions, 1 Elixir, Remedy, Phoenix Essence, Venom, 2 Smoke Bombs, Flash Bomb, 2 Fire Bombs, 2 Ice Bombs, 2 Lightning Bombs, 2 Water Bombs, 2 Holy Bombs, Bedroll, Pickaxe, Telescope, Magic Compass , Scroll of Recklessness (Encouraged and Fragile for rest of battle, 5 ether, 50/50 chance), Bone, -1 Cheese, Topaz (Lightning) Rufindel Galadhras (Rufus) Level 14.5 Cleric Power: 24 Defense: 2 Health: 0/24 Ether: 20/20 Gold: 265 (Owes 125 to Gurnam) Equipment: Fauxthril Staff(WP:10) , Warlord's Helmet (SP:2 Grants 'Natural Respite'), Cloak of Chimera (+2 Health, +2 Ether) Inventory: Malfunctioning Staff (WP:12, on succesful attack, has a 50% chance to do half of WP damage to self instead(Ignoring SP and Row)),Potion x2, Remedy x2, Bone x2, Pickaxe, Tonic, Bedroll, Venom, Deadly Venom, Grand Potion, Wooden Shield(SP:2), Orcish Drum (WP: 8), Gold Ore (Worth 80 Gold) Party Leader, post the order of action. Everybody, choose your actions and targets.

Here's how I would interpretate it, she hits(damages) herself according to her attack (Hit? so Level + WP), but then the attack is WP only, so she is damaged for the amount equal to her level.

From the silence I can only assume all your minds are blown. I know, mine is too.

Maybe someone can answer me real quick. I am rolling the results for the battle, Nyx is healing herself with a healing staff... But she rolled magic counter. Does she knock herself out, or something? or does she just heal the 5 damage?

Just think about it. Humour me. It explains literally everything. Daaaaaamn.

It would also explain the distrust Dagrun mentioned. Oh gods, oh gods oh gods. It explains EVERYTHING. Oh my god. If this is true, I love this game, if not, I still do. Oh my god I am shaking, and we are screwed, mostly screwed.

Look. I know one thing about Wary, he is working with Dragmall. It seems he is not the vigilante, that's the easiest option to explain, then what is he? A killer, sure, but alligned to who? Dragmall, it seems. He is not a serial killer, I think, since he did not take the option from Dagrun, I think. Or he just thought the option with Dagrun was too inferior, it's a distinct possibility, and it makes Wary the serial killer that we used to know. (Now you're just the serialkiller that I used to knoooow). Not that it matters, we ain't here to kill any third party, now are we. It might also explain why Dagrun needed Dragmall dead. Maybe they are rivals! Oh snap, shit just got turned around. I can explain everything, wow hold on. Ok, Ok. Listen to me. I got the whole answer, I am a genius, and we are all screwed. So here it is: There are TWO teams of scum. But they are rivals, yet they are both evil, and both servants of Loki. I am going to throw up I'm so smart! That's why there are so many dead scum, there are just TWO GROUPS. I am going to panic and run in circles now.

But the sole fact that Dagrun initiated conversation means two things: A, she thought he was the serial killer, B, she is reckless by default. Giving up Petrus with that does not seem like such a big leap from that. I'm just going to make a fool of myself again, but I'm just going to say it, what if Dragmall, Wary and possibly some others are a third party faction? I don't really care, since they don't factor into our winning condition, so taking out scum is 100% priority anyway. As I see it, there can either only be one, or two scum be left. It seems most probable at this point it is either Rurik or Petrus. Sorry dudes.

Guts throws his Throwing Knife at Mephisto, then attacks the Lich with Lifestealer.