Dragonator

Fantastic, two more down. Bergulf was indeed Artemis, so losing him is certainly unfortunate, but we are still doing quite well in my view. There are a few things for us to assess today now we have confirmation of Hervi's scummy alignment. I think it should be an interesting and manly day.

*looks around* I'm manly!

Well, time to get the ball rolling I guess. For the reasons I have stated, namely the benefits and clarification it will bring, I shall vote: Hervi Pudding-Head (Hinckley). This has been such a manly day. More meat please! I could do with another sausage in me.

I would note Hervi that I am also just presenting the information I have, and am acting on it. Lynching you will clear up a lot of confusion. My apologies, I meant continuity of the result from the protector on night one, who also had an uncertain result. That is definitely something we will consider if you turn up town tomorrow, as I noted originally. We can't properly have that discussion until you are confirmed however, which we shall do with your death. I shall answer that, my suspicion was based on the fact that the protecto had a woozy result when protecting Petrus. However I also feel that this doesn't necessarily mean Petrus is bad; after all, she has been pretty firm about you. If you turn up town however, she will be one of the first people we look at I would say. We shall see when voting starts, but several people have made their opinions known, and as I see it you are the best person to lynch today. I don't see lynching anyone else having anywhere near as many benefits.

Actually it's entirely based off logical reasoning. I did a quick switch yesterday to being your friend and you were happy to go with it, which I found odd. Still, I played along and listened. A lot of what you said made vague sense, but now I am certain I was right yesterday, and that you are scum. Don't you think it odd that I suddenly dropped my case against you? Joke by Steinvor or not, you still tried to get me killed for a very thin reason, and your actions since have continued to make me want to lynch you so that we can have some confirmation. The fact your entire response to my rather detailed outline of my reasons for wanting to lynch you was to say that I am being influenced by meta-physical beings is a load of pig-crap, and very poor form for a supposed manly member of the Hall. I think someone is a little frustrated they have been caught out. Right, but who really cares about the town blocker, if he is even the town blocker? Surely the vigilante or the investigator would be much better people to protect. I think that's a very easy way to brush off the fact that you said he should protect me when you knew I wouldn't be a target. I didn't even ask you for your opinion, and to be fair I never gave the protector an opinion on who to protect anyway, but it still remains that you were trying to influence things. Disoriented and wozzy means they are unsure of the result I would assume. Perhaps the tailoring has different words for different roles, but either way, it is suspicious that her result on you was not firm. I feel that lynching you will be the best way to clear this up, and allow us to move forward as quickly as possible. As I mentioned, those are two alternative lines of reasoning. A. Artemis is a true investigator and her result indicates that you are scum, based on the continuity of her result compared with that of the investigator on day one. B. You are both scum and the result was made up. In my opinion A is the more likely scenario, but we shall still need to watch Artemis closely, assuming the scum let her survive your death since she will no longer be useful to them with you gone. Indeed, and you were at the head of both lynches. Lots of people find your behaviour thus far very suspect, I'm not the only one. Your methods seem incredibly out of the normal, and I'm not letting you slip away this time. Oooh this is interesting! I didn't have a clue who Poseidon was, what makes you think I did? Trying to shift the blame to me hmm? As I have said, the best way to confirm you at this stage is to lynch you. Most of us feel you're acting suspiciously, that is no way to try and maintain the confidence of the town.

Very interesting. These night results confirm a lot for me, mainly my true suspicions from yesterday, which I threw away in favour of seeing whether Hervi could perhaps be trusted. I think I have a good idea of what would be most beneficial for us to do today. So we got a servant last night, this is good. It is also good because it tells us a lot about the votes yesterday. Let's be honest, there was hardly any case against Genaro. So why was he voted off so easily? It's a very simple thing that Steinvor knew well; Meatshield. Who was performing this meatshield? Hervi was. Hervi is a scared chap, he clearly wants to get rid of the power players first. This is clear in the selection of Steinvor to be killed on the first night, when he was unsure who had the power roles. The next day, he attempted to use a fake reason to vote for me, another "old" member of the Hall, and when this failed because none of the other people who saw the fake reason agreed with him, he changed plans and tried to convince me he had seen the error of his ways, and wanted to vote off Genaro. He also convinced his "group" to vote for Genaro too. Now who ends up dead? Two of his group, one of whom was the town vigilant. My concern is that Hervi knew I was in contact with the town protector, and at no point told me to suggest the protector target Gofraid. It would also make sense for the servants of Loki to block Gofrain at the same time as they kill him. Part of the reason I suspect a meatshield, aside from Hervi's interactions with myself, is that as soon as today started he popped in and noted his sadness at losing so many townies that were in his town block. This was immediately followed by Wary praising Hervi for leading the charge against Genaro, which as I recall was actually suggested by other people and Hervi was just most vocal about the switch to lynching him in the late afternoon yesterday. It certainly highlights that some feel he is completely responsible for the taking out a servant of Loki however. Meatshield. I get the feeling Wary is simply misled by Hervi's words thus far, which would indicate that Hervi's plan is having some success. My view also. I disagree. trying to suggest that Hervi would go after Artemis if he were scum doesn't make sense. If you have the option to kill the vigilant or the investigator as scum, of course you kill the vigilant first, particularly when you have the investigator under your control and can direct him to investigate whoever you like. If Hervi is the godfather this makes things even more likely, but at this point I actually suspect that Artemis, who I know the identity of, could also be a servant of Loki. Or perhaps just mislead? More on that soon. Think back to the first day and consider that Artemis roleclaimed to Hervi immediately, for no good reason. What sort of investigator does that without investigating the person first? One that is either a fake, or not thinking. If the investigator is being rash, then Hervi probably feels safe directing him. I would also perhaps hazard the argument that Hervi is the godfather, and so can make himself appear trustworthy to Artemis while directing her away from his fellow scum. Or perhaps there is another reason? Hervi claims that Artemis targeted him last night and found that they are both on the same side. Lynching Hervi would also be a good way to find out whether that is true. However I heard another interesting thing which Hervi did not tell me; Artemis "thinks" they are both on the same side. This also lines up with the protector on the first night, who felt woozy after protecting someone. I have discussed this with the protector, and he feels that we may have a "tailor" to deal with on the scum side, who would definitely make Hervi more confident in controlling the investigator as he could manipulate the results. As an alternative, if Hervi did not have a reason to think Gofraid was the vigilant, then Hervi could well have targeted him because he wanted Artemis to investigate him and find him to be a townie, thanks to being the godfather or "tailoring" of the results. Thus Hervi had someone in his group, who he knew had an action of some sort, killed. Either way it was a logical choice for a servant of Loki. I think that lynching Hervi today will clear up the most confusion. He does not have a useful town action, so we need not worry about that. His death will confirm several things for us. 1. If he is scum then we have a good start for finding his fellow scum. 2. If he is scum, then Artemis is of major concern and we will need to consider what to do there. I have outlined some options, that Artemis is also scum, or that Artemis was tricked by another role. 3. His actions thus far have been one of a desperate servant of Loki, manipulating the town vote every day to target who he wants. If he is scum, this will help clear up confusion in the vote patterns so far, vice versa if he is town. 4. It will confirm the meatshield theory as true/false, which will help us analyse who else was most keen for Genaro to die. If Hervi was using him as a meatshield, the other scum likely were too. 5. On the flip side, if he is town, we can confirm our investigator and know to protect her, which is quite important. 6. If he is town, then we will have an idea of who to go after next, as not many knew the identity of Posiedon. As this is a team effort, I am sure Hervi can see the benefits of lynching himself at this stage. His death will serve to help the town more than living, as it will clear up a lot of issues we have encountered and will give us a clear way forward. A true townie would want to do the best thing to help the town, even if that means being the lynch candidate for the day when that would be most beneficial to all. If he resists, well this is equally telling, isn't it?

Um, you tried to blackmail Hervi into telling you who Posiedon is, it is most definitely true. This is why you shouldn't let a woman into a manly Hall, they get so confused.

Well, everyone is speaking at lighting pace, so I'll just throw in my own few words. I'm gladI cleared things up with Hervi as that was a rather unfortunate misunderstanding, but now we are a bit more on track. To be fair, the conversation certainly got some interesting responses, particularly from Snotra, who was using the distraction to try and gain information about the town roles. I find this incredibly suspicious, and his aggressive defense hasn't helped his case much. However, I think the best decision for today is to Vote: Gerrid (Captain Genaro). Although Bergulf acted rather badly on day one, I think it was innocent confusion, not malicious intent. I don't see us getting a majority in the time left unfortunately, but at least the discussion today has been useful.

Due to some interesting information I have received I'll also be dropping my accusations. Unvote: Hervi Pudding-Head (Hinckley) I tell you, games of life are insane, I prefer our weekly D&D any day, far more manly!

I guess we can talk in circles as much as we like then, it isn't getting us or the town anywhere. Time for other people to make a decision on what has been discussed today. If you were honestly convinced by a joke, then that is unfortunate and is really going to cause problems for the town. However I am sceptical because it seems like you led the lynch yesterday with it, and now you're leading it again today after you got away with that. I want to make sure that you don't get away with it a second time if I do end up being lynched; you will be lynched tomorrow when I am convicted and found to be town. I think you'll find private discussion is intended to refer to "Private Messaging" from the previous sentence, and does not include a public chat outside of the game thread, but this isn't the place for that discussion, since we are manly vikings.

Your wording made it pretty obvious, and Steinvor and I only ever joke about each other. Much like we shout neutral at each other every D&D game. We've developed a strong hatred for them, it's a running joke. That and a quick log check naturally confirmed it, and I wanted to put a stop to your insinuations before you could role out the accusation and direct the conversation as you wanted it. Pulled the rug out from under somewhat, hmm? Your single line vote certainly made that obvious, you needed some time to think. To be fair, my anger towards you is entirely based on the fact that you would use such a terrible argument to try and get me lynched. Letting Steinvor lead you along all the time is one thing, but the fact you said you wouldn't let him after the last time he did this to you sort of adds to the humour of this situation, considering his history of saying untrue things to try and mess with your head. However I do feel that you are purposefully misunderstanding him and trying to use that to your benefit, as the other individuals that were present thought it was a joke and had no reason to pursue the "claim" when made in a place outside of the gamethread or PMs. This combined with what has been said by others regarding your actions yesterday are plenty to want to vote for you, far more than you have against me. I would be willing to make the assurance that Hervi is scum, and I am happy to pay the price if I am wrong. I simply can't believe that he is a dumb enough townie to try this meta-physical attack, as it was put earlier, there has to be some other motivation.

So in light of their opinions, and the fact I never made any such roleclaim, do you still stand by your assertion that I am neutral? Poor Steinvor must be laughing his head off at all of this, it's the sort of thing that would amuse him greatly.

No. I did not tell Steinvor that. I in fact claimed town to Steinvor, and he claimed vanilla town back. Hervi claims that Steinvor said I had claimed neutral to him, which was a joke made in a place that we always make fake roleclaims in, and was poking fun at what happened when Hervi hosted our last D&D game. Hervi claims that it was not a joke, when it clearly was. Everyone else there saw it as a joke, nothing out of the ordinary antics we do. We claim crazy things all the time and jokingly accuse each other of being neutral/scum, and Hervi knows this. The fact he suddenly wants to take it seriously this time is why it is so suspicious, as the context was one of a joke. If Steinvor truly was worried that I was neutral and wanted to tell Hervi, of all people, he would have done so in a private PM, which is what he usually does. A joke in the pub (IRC) doesn't cut it.

They already have, it was Sveinn and Dagrun.

Um no, everyone except Hervi is saying that Steinvor was making a joke at Hervi's expense by saying that I had claimed neutral to him, which I of course did not do and which was perfectly clear in the way it was said. For someone that has hung around Steinvor so much in the Hall I would expect Hervi to see the clear sarcasm in the entire conversation, but instead he tried to use it to get me lynched, which I just find amusing. He whines that he is the victim when his entire case is built on a metagaming misconception, it's a rather sad attempt and I honestly would have expected better really. We all make mistakes though, that's how we catch the scum out. Hervi made a pretty bad decision to try and set this lynch up as he blew his cover right out of the water. Man am I manly today.

The logs came from someone in the chat that is not in the current situation with us. As it is a public chat there was naturally no issue in sharing them. I think a more telling thing to mention is that both of the other individuals that were present did not see what was said as a serious comment, it was a clear joke made to poke fun at Hervi. I can't make a long comment right now, but then I don't think much needs to be said. Hervi is doing his usual scum thing, which is to use his usual plays to try and direct discussion to what he wants. I note no proper discussion has happened regarding his behaviour yesterday. Speaking of behaviour, I should probably add that Steinvor had a few things to say about oink-face before he died. He found it weird that Hervi did NOT contact him before the first say as he usually does, and notably didn't say he hoped they were on the same side. Perhaps because Hervi knew already that they were not? Then when they did talk in the pub, Hervi was quite obvious in his attempts to make Stienvor think I shouldn't be trusted, by mentioning how much I "enjoyed" killing everyone in our fuzzy D&D session recently. Funny how his entire case is metagaming when it comes down to it, isn't it? Entirely based on the dumb assumption that I would be stupi enough to roleclaim to a townie if I was not. He really doesn't understand viking behaviour at all. :hmph: The assertions that I would act differently were I town are also not very manly ones. I always stand up for myself, and I always seem to be told I should react differently to things no matter what role I play. Clearly nobody really knows and they are just trying to find more unfounded reasons to accuse me. :shrug: Anyway, from my assessment of Hervi's behaviour so far I feel I am right. He would be a lot more indecisive were he town, but it is always easier to spot direction when someone already knows that their accused is town.

That is correct. I am annoyed that anyone would even think to believe such a crappy argument, I am definitely happy that he has given himself away so easily. I am looking forward to lynching him.

Mmhmm, well I've said what needed to be said, think of it what you will. I think it is obvious what piggy is up to though, it isn't like it is a new tactic from him when faced with tough opponents.

Because he wants to see who everyone is most keen to vote for before revealing the name of that person so that they can't defend themselves properly, and so that he looks like he is helping while not being the one making the decision. It's pretty blatant manipulation of the collective voting body though, and he tries the same trick far too often when we play Monopoly. I think it's clear that Hades is meant to be me however, as his only evidence is a lie fabricated on a joke from a past "game of life". Pretty poor attempt really, as I noted above. Nice reasoning, good job. I think the kids down below call it WTFUS right?

Personally I think mister oink-face over there is being a tad manipulative in his cliche use of plays. The biggest issue I have is why an investigator would roleclaim to him on the first day. That sounds ridiculous, let alone a second turning up and the original investigator turning that guy over to him too. But what I find more interesting is his relatively useless analysis of his play, and the rather open questions he has left us. basically oinkyboy has given us some options, and told us to pick who we want to list from them, so that he can't be seen to be taking the lead while subtly controlling who is being considered for the vote. I find it very convenient that our dear manly brother-in-arms, Meatshield, said what he supposedly did and then died so he couldn't confirm it. Well oink-boy I know you are trying to set me up to be your Hades and I'll have none of it thank you; it's a blatant fabrication. Firstly because if I was a neutral I wouldn't be a moron and claim to the guy that I murdered visciously the last time it happened (in our D&D match last weekend, that is, he was still bearing that grudge!), and secondly because it's so blatantly an "oh that dead guy said this guy is neutral let's lynch him" moment. An easy way to first throw suspicion away from yourself for leading the dud lynch yesterday, and then to be able to point the blame at the dead guy when I turn up town. Then there is the fact that we don't use the pub for discussing Mafia; clearly you are not a regular enough patron to understand the socially accepted norms there. Nobody is going to back you up, and I can assure I have the logs of your conversation from the pub myself so I know exactly what was "said". And it is not what you claim, which makes things even more awkward for you. Trying to use a joke based on a previous crap role as a valid basis for voting now is rather lame. I also note you are bringing up the cult story again, much like you did when we had that Asylum (the second one) play a while back. Personally I think the truth is much simplier; we have a standard set of evildoers, and you are one of them. That is made pretty clear from the fact that the hall was raided by several servants of Loki. Well I think it's pretty clear who we should vote for today, he's making himself pretty obvious as usual when he strays to the dark side. He led the lynch on day one, immediately apologised and then proceeded to step off again as if nothing had happened. That and his laughable attempt to use his own failed metagaming logic, on top of an attempt to play on fears from the recent unfortunate incidents in Springhaven, is rather sad really. I would have expected better, I think. Don't be fooled, he isn't manly like the rest of us and he isn't town. Vote: Hervi Pudding-Head (Hinckley)

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