Dragonator

Here's why it wouldn't work. You kill Canute, so you live. You and your mate Rurik block me, and you convert Wary. This strengthens your position and gets your scummy team closer to winning. Perhaps you even win if there are more of you, but as I noted, I doubt that. Still, it is a much more probable option than your mechanics-breaking third faction idea. The fact is, Canute has been confirmed, you are scum, that's the end of it. Sorry Petrus, but you lose. It is impossible for the town to lose by lynching you, we have discussed this. If there are 5 scum left right now, you would have already lost. We could easily lose if we don't lynch you, by your own logic. Anyway, I'm absolutely certain you're scum, so that's the end of it. Oh look, another note! "Dear Petrus, suck a carrot. Love, Lady Dolores" I love this woman!

Ah memories...

I think the above discussion basically sums it up. Dagrun had no reason to lie to Wary, she was 100% certain that Wary would be joining her side. Dagrun told Wary that Petrus is scum. That's the crux of it people. Lynching Canute does not achieve anything. Lynching Petrus does. It has been proven that it is impossible for the town to lose by lynching Petrus today. Therefore this is the best course of action. Here's something you should remember: often the simplest explanation is the most true. Here the simple explanation is that Petrus is scum, as Dagrun said. The convoluted third faction theory which makes no sense, is impossible under the rules, and is impossible because of numbers, makes that a ridiculous idea. I don't really think there is anything more to discuss.

I have no intention of letting you lynch the wrong person today and potentially screwing the town over when we are so close to victory. Luckily it isn't possible for you to do so. You have no guarantee Wary will kill Petrus. You have no guarantee he won't be converted without me to block them tonight.

I repeat, three factions is impossible. Read the rules. I was clearly not converted because Dagrun wanted to kill me. Here's an idea for you to consider Cranebeinn. What if Petrus, Rurik and Snotra are scum? They get me lynched today, taking out the town blocker. They complete their conversion tonight of Wary and kill one or two townies in the process. That makes 4 scum against 4 townies tomorrow. They win, end of game. That scenario is just as possible as the ridiculous third party theory. Even more so actually, since the third party theory breaks the rules of the game.

So the Servants started with 11 people in a 26 person game? They only had to kill 4 townies by those odds and not kill each other to win right there? Oh look, a note! "Dear Rurik, You're a moron. Love, Lady Dolores" Interesting! Seriously Rurik, now you're twisting your own words. First the scum have to kill each other to win, now they have to outnumber the town and win with the other faction? Why would the second team have worked so hard to kill the first one then? There is nothing in the rules about one scum team having to kill the other scum team. Why then did Dagrun want to kill me so much? Why can't you see how stupid your logic is? Perhaps it is because you are scum, just like Petrus who you are defending so hard. Face it. The rules say you are wrong. End of story.

How is it plausible!? It is based on nothing and makes an atrocity of game mechanics!!

Seriously Cranebeinn? Did you read anything I've said? Snotra's "theory" is utter garbage, and based on nothing. You're just going to lead us to a stalemate now... Tell me Cranebeinn, do you honestly think Wary, Canute, Carl, myself, and possibly Wilhalm are scum, according to this wacko theory? From everything you have seen and that has been discussed? Does that sit right with you at all?

We worked hard to catch those scum, what did you do? Not a lot. You don't deserve to win this game with us, but you can at least be glad we're winning it for you! You should take your own advice and read over the PMs provided by Wary again. Man this is a manly day! Time for me to hit the hay with some mead though, there isn't anything more to be gained here. We have a majority, onwards to town victory!

As I told you in PM Rurik, I unvoted Hervi because it occurred to me that Bergulf must be Artemis. We then roleclaimed to each other, I went away, and he said his group had decided to lynch Genaro. That's all there was to it. Regarding the analysis that 5 of us are scum. That would suggest that there were 11 scum to begin with correct? That sounds pretty ridiculous. It would also suggest that there were at least 9 scum power roles. But wait, if one team had 6 roles, why would the other team have less? Let's make that at least 9 scum power roles. Let's compare this to the town. Inventor, protector, investigator, and vigilante if you count Gofraid. Is that it? It is possible that Steinvoir had one, and I suppose Danr and Musuri could have too. That makes a total of 7, with only 4 confirmed and 3 vague possibilities. General mechanics would indicate that the town on average has at least 1.5x - 2x as many power roles as the scum. Sounding more ridiculous yet? This really is a laugh my megablocks off moment. There are 11 people left, a kill and a lynch would bring it to 4-5. Learn to count. By your logic, this is not the crucial day. You said earlier that the conversion idea was ridiculous and that there has to be two teams, now you think my magical team has a conversion ability? Can you settle on one story? I'm so glad you weren't in the town block Snotra and Rurik, clearly you don't have the capacity to think outside the little box of "Dragmall must be scum!"

Would you like to tell us which people you believe to be in this second scum faction? For this to be the last day by your reasoning, there must be 5 of them. This should be amusing.

Well I do believe I've said what needs to be said. We have testament from a servant of Loki, in confidence to someone she was certain would be joining her, that Petrus is also a servant of Loki. We have Petrus' own actions in the last few days to consider. We have the fact that 7 of us are confirmed through night action verification. The best choice for today is to Vote: Petrus Fire-Starter (Pandora). Let's finish this off and get back to the manly mead I say.

Right, you said the watcher, tracker and blocker are scum. So what does that leave for the town? Not much; an inventor, an investigator, a protector and supposedly a vigilante from early in the game. What sort of town side is that? Compared with a scum team that had 6 roles which they could share around, not much. Generally, balance dictates that there will be more town power roles than scum ones. If you think the three of us are also scum, that takes things up to 9 scum power roles against 4 town ones. Are you seeing how ridiculous this is yet? Probably not since you're scum and fighting your last fight, but still funny to point out what a crap fight it is.

I didn't block a kill though, I blocked a conversion. It is clear from the opening of the day that Wary killed the scum killer. Perhaps that was enough to prevent the scum from carrying out their kill? Or perhaps Dagrun did end up switching to target me? Who knows. I just know that the best lynch target for today, the one that will give us clarity, is Petrus.

And I stalled because Sveinn was being tested again. The watcher, Carl, saw him target me last night, so I am still certain that he is the protector has he claims, and have no reason to doubt him. As for my targets: Night one: block badboytje88 (there was discussion during the first day that made me very suspicious of him, so it was a natural choice) Night two: block Pandora (I was suspicious of the woozy protector result on her from the first night) Night three: block Finn (This was a random block from my list of uncertain people, in an attempt to find the scum killer. Much like killing Sigmund was a random choice from that list) Night four: block Rick (I was suspicious of how he was responding to things, and so wanted to see if he was the killer that night) Night five: block Pandora (to prevent the conversion) Actually Petrus, Rurik's vote against Patrekr had no effect as there was already a majority without him. He did a similar thing to you, trying not to appear like he was keen to vote someone you both knew was a townie. if you take a look at who has been killed, it is no surprise that none have been stopped. I started fitting together town action on day 3. On night 3, the scum kill Bergulf by blocking the protector, so that was impossible to stop. On night 4 they make a choice everyone admitted was a weird one and killed Finn. Last night they had no kill as we killed the killer. Go us! Regarding Cranebeinn, I laid out the facts I had against him, he made a response, and after his response I also agreed with him. Don't try to make things up Petrus, it isn't helping you at all. One further point of note. If all of the town power roles I have found are actually scum with me, what power roles did the town get? No blocker? No tracker? No watcher? No protector? What a useless town that would be. It's a stupid argument to make that all of the town power roles are actually scum, I can't believe that I even have to respond to it really.

Hmm, so she was. No wonder she was a wimpy servant of Loki and not a manly member of this Hall.

Valiant attempt Petrus, glad at least that the town victory won't be boring when we lynch you. But yes, if this is supposedly the last day and this magical third group are going to win, then that means there are 5 of them sitting around still. I find that far more laughable than you being the only scum left. The fact is, Dagrun implicated you in full confidence with someone he expected to be joining his side. It doesn't get any simpler than that. Shall we take a moment to look at day 4 perhaps? Finn is discussed and never voted for as I am happy with his explanation once it is made publicly. Not seeing any better candidates, a vote is started for sheepy Erik. This is swiftly overturned by a vote for Stemid however, with the second person to vote being Dagrun. Who pipes up then? Petrus, muttering on about how he sees that both look suspicious without making a committal that either looks scummy in his eyes. Naturally he didn't want to vote for Stemid at the same time as Dagrun, so he waits till later on down the voting track. Moving to day 5, lots of discussion relating to Cranebeinn at first. Petrus lays out his reasons for thinking Cranebeinn wasn't necessarily town. I agree with that and so no vote is made against Cranebeinn. Instead, I again look to a sheep, Patrekr this time. Perhaps not the best option, but at that point I was intending to catch out the rolecop by testing him that night with the tracker. Dagrun is again quick to jump on the lynch for Patrekr. Seeing a majority against Patrekr, Petrus mutters about not being certain and does nothing. Then the lynch quickly turns to Beorn, and Petrus has nothing to say on that, nor does he vote. And now here we are today, ready to lynch him. It may perhaps be worth noting that Rurik also did not support the vote for Beorn, and followed the crowd on Patrekr.

Not quite, I blocked Finn on night 3 as a completely random block in my efforts to block the scum killer. This was when nobody had any idea what action he had. He came to me on day 4 to explain his situation. I raised the possibility of a lynch because it sounded weird to me that he targeted the guy that was killed on night 2, yet didn't receive the action he was meant to get. Naturally I didn't see any harm in raising it as, since he did not get the investigator action and was claiming to be vanilla, it did not put a town power role at risk. Once the matter was discussed I was of course happy to move on.

Look at his face, it's hilarious!

I am town, so I know you're wrong to think I'm leading a scum faction. It's pretty simple. Let's take a moment though to consider. At no point has there been any indication there are two factions. From the History of this World we would also indicate that in the one case where there was a second scum faction, each was called a different name. Personally if I were to believe this line of reasoning, the second scum team would consist of Snotra, Rurik, Petrus and maybe Patrekr. I highly doubt it though, it's a stupid suggestion.

:roflmao:

Hmm, I saw Petrus lurking before, odd that he didn't have anything to say. Probably stealing more of our manly food from the table. Oh here he comes now! How exciting.

Since the town actions have been disclosed already, I'll lay them out here so we have full clarity. I just finished explaining this to Rurik in private, perhaps he will get off his high-horse and admit he is wrong now instead of constantly looking for any reason not to lynch Petrus. I am the town blocker (verified as the tracker saw me target the correct person) Sveinn is the town protector (verified as the watcher has seen him target me each night he said he was) Cranebeinn is the town inventor (he gave me an item last night finally, woo!) Canute is the town tracker (verified as he saw me targeting the correct person, along with others targeting the correct people) Carl is the town watcher (verified as he has correctl identified the people that targeted me on three nights) Wary is the town vigilante or neutral SK with a survival win condition (he has helped kill everyone we have asked him to and has provided the evidence to get the final scum) Wilhalm was tracked last night and seen doing nothing, my conclusion is that he is vanilla. This leaves Petrus, Rurik, Patrekr and Snotra. Of these four, we have the most evidence against Petrus. Therefore he is our lynch for today.