Dragonator

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I love Thor.

I personally think there may be more risk than we realise, but yes, which theory makes more sense? The one based on what we know, or the one based on speculation?

You cannot proxy a vote. Please make the right choice Sveinn, it's on you.

And if Petrus, Rurik and Snotra are scum?

You'll be crying anyway at how wrong you are Snotra, but yes, do vote gentlemen! For Petrus, of course.

I have an issue with this though. Petrus has been pushing very, very hard for us to kill him at night. Why might that be? He must have something ready to try and cause us problems. Perhaps he will block his own kill so that we are in the same position tomorrow that we are in today? Perhaps he has some kind of bomb ability that will kill whoever targets him? I don't know, but it worries me, and I am morally opposed to lynching someone that is a confirmed tracker and who doesn't appear scummy to me. Has Canute done anything so far that looks scummy? Certainly less than Petrus has, and we have valid reasons to believe Petrus is scum.

Right, that was why I abandoned the idea of wooziness meaning conversion after we lynched Hervi. It's why I thought Petrus was probably town until recently. I have since changed my view. I am sorry if my attitude seems scummy, but I can't help but laugh at how ridiculous the three team theory is, it is so full of holes I can't help but point then out when new ones are brought up. As I said though, I don't wish to talk in circles, I've said what I needed to and it is for us all to decide now what the best course of action is. if you wish to risk our town win by not lynching Petrus, and leaving things to the uncertainty of the night, then so be it. I suspect that Petrus and Rurik wouldn't be working so hard to keep Petrus alive today if they didn't have something planned to severely screw us over during the night. Oh, sorry I think I misread your point on wooziness. It wasn't Petrus that was woozy, it was Sveinn, the protector that targeted Petrus. Bergulf did report wooziness, and note that he was woozy when he saw Hervi as a fellow townie. I think it most likely had something to do with the Decoy action that the scum had. So on night one, Sveinn would have protected the decoy, not Petrus, leaving her open to conversion (if protection could stop conversion that is, but either way). Bergulf would have compared himself to someone else too, and I assume Finn was in the same boat.

That was directed at Rurik actually.

Right, so the two sides win together, but they can't come together easily, and they have to convert people. Not to mention that, by your reasoning, one side has completely decimated the other side. Man your logic is amazing. I'm done answering tiny nitpicking attempts to undermine the validity of my reasoning, sorry scumbo. You can throw as much of a tantrum as you like, your scummy buddy Petrus is being lynched.

Agreed Snotra, once you formed the opinion that I must be scum, you haven't even considered the possibility that I might not be. But yes, enough arguing, the majority has spoken and we know you are wrong.

All of us that are voting for Petrus are confirmed townies, so I can be glad in the knowledge that we must be doing the right thing. My plan is to lynch Petrus and kill Rurik tonight, as Rurik could well be a remaining scum member with Petrus. Doing this will not end the game for town, even if they are both townies, which they are not. It is impossible that there are currently 4-5 scum remaining. Utterly impossible. Working with Rurik's theory, if I were scum I would have immediately pumped Hervi for information regarding who his leader is. If we have to team up, that makes the most sense. Why would the scum want to kill 6 of their own? That's honestly the stupidest thing I have ever heard if they needed those numbers to win. As to your question Snotra, the easy explanation is that I have been protected each night, and the scum knew I would be, so they didn't want to waste a kill on me. My questions can not be so easily answered, I'll be interested to see what explanation rurik has for them. As for not being helpful Snotra, I've killed 6 scum. Surely that should be pretty telling.

Definitely! Those were damn good times.

My god, your entire theory is based on so many assumptions we could sink a ship with them. What makes you think Dagrun was the leader of the other team? Why did she talk to Wary about conversion if all she had to do was kill me? Why didn't she just get her fellow teammate to block Scouty, and she could kill me? Your entire theory makes NO SENSE. If what you say is true, wouldn't I have convinced Hervi to tell me who his leader was so that we could team up? Why would I have then lead the lynch against Hervi on day 3? Why would I have led the lynch against Genaro when he wasn't the leader? Why would I have had Wary kill Sisco? My case isn't just based on Petrus being outed by Dagrun. It is also based on Petrus' actions over the last few days. As I noted, Petrus has not helped catch a single servant. She simple sat around and bubbled on about doubting whether such and such was actually scum, which is a common scum tactic to try and make yourself look like you aren't trying to lynch townies. Let's also look at some of my discussion with Hervi on Day 2: This is all from Day 2, after I thought that Hervi must be town because Petrus looked like she had been converted. I think it is quite telling; at this point Petrus wasn't yet scum, so Hervi didn't mind either way if we went for him or not. However, he knew that the first half of the conversion had been done against Petrus, so he tried to gently prod me away from Petrus. Clearly, it worked. I figured they couldn't possibly be on the same side. So when Hervi came up scum, Sveinn and I determined that Petrus probably wasn't converted. Except, she was, just later on, night 2 or 3. The perfect cover wouldn't you say?

How is it possible!? HOW!? I see no point in lynching a townie when we have a clear scum to lynch. There mere fact that Rurik is working so hard to defend Petrus is a clear sign that they are desperate not to be defeated, they know they are doomed if Petrus is voted off today. Do you honestly think I would have gone for Petrus so hard if I was scum? Wouldn't it have been smarter, if I were scum, to say that the tracker saw you doing something last night when you claimed vigilant, and then say that Bob was covering for you with his rolecop result and lynch you instead? That would have been a far easier lynch, that's for sure. But no, I can't make up results, because I am town. Petrus has the most evidence against her, she is a clear lynch. I reject any notion that we are about to lose, because I know I am town. That in itself makes your entire theory invalid, so I know I'm right. The fact that I know I am town, means that I know Petrus is the best lynch for today.

No, Hinck had each character with a hidden sub-character. We still knew which character belonged to which player.

Rurik, the fact is, I know that I'm Einherjar, so I know we aren't going to lose today by lynching Petrus. All of the other people you named as being on my "team" know the that they are Einherjar too. Do you know that Petrus is Einherjar? No you do not. You have no reason to believe he is. He has not been confirmed as having an action, he has not been verified with any sort of night action as not being up to things at night. He has not done anything to indicate he is Einherjar. So why do you defend him so stubbornly? Why do you not even consider that I may be right? Why do you not look at the very likely possibility that Dagrun was being truthful to someone she was certain would be joining her team? Either because you're thick, or you're also a servant of Loki. It. All. Fits. Anyway, we have a majority and nobody is changing their minds, so there really isn't any reason to continue embarrassing yourself and blathering on.

Ahem, that is to say, more mead, for we are manly men! And we're in this lovely Hall of Odin, which seems to have picked up a new ghost. What's that? Yes Lady Dolores, I know, a total quack. If you are right, I'll play in Mafia School. But this discussion isn't really relevant for the game thread so shhhhh.

You're on snot-face.

Maybe you should be helpful next game. Just a suggestion.

One game. lol

Except not letting them win together is fundamentally against the rules. I hope you fell stupid for not reading his analysis properly, his corrected numbers are still right. Perhaps if you bothered reading anything we wouldn't need to keep telling you why you're wrong. Over. And over. And over. Oh look! "Dear Snotra, You're so far outside the box you're not even in the game anymore. Love, Lady Dolores" I think she might be onto something!

It has actually, we're having this discussion because you're too dumb to see it. As Canute pointed out earlier, if there were 9 scum earlier on and 7 townies, the townies would have lost right there. It is impossible for there to be 5 scum remaining right now. It is impossible for there to be 4 scum. If there are three scum left, which I also doubt, it is impossible for them to win by lynching Petrus. Easy huh? Of the two scum factions had to kill each other, then that would break the rules, it's that simple. If the two scum factions can win with each other, that doesn't even make sense for there to be two factions. If all Dagrun had to do was kill me, they could have done that days ago by blocking Sveinn. We really don't need to be having this discussion. The obvious choice is to lynch the most scummy person, which is Petrus.

I'm not certain Rurik is scum, but it is a possibility. It is a more likely possibility than the one Petrus wants to test by killing Canute, that there are 5 scum left in some weird 3rd faction. I would assume that if I am blocked, both of my actions will be blocked, Cranebeinn. That's a risk we shouldn't be taking. As for Wary not killing Petrus, what if once Petrus has someone else lynched, he tells Wary that he has another scum buddy and that they'll be blocking me and converting him? He'll have no option but to join with the scum then, so he naturally will not kill a team mate. Depending on number,s that leaves the scum in a much better position to win tomorrow. Basically, it comes down to the fact that not lynching Petrus offers some significant risks, some which we may not even be able to anticipate. Lynching him will not prevent a town win no matter what the situation is, and will hopefully kill the last scum so that we can end this. Make sense?