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Not really, that is just your interpretation. There is no "fundamenatal question" other than "How should Eurobricks handle legitimate third-party brick brands on the forum?" and there are four equally valid options. You cannot just add some answers together, because all had an option to vote for as many answers as they wanted. For instance I am fine with either 1, 2 or 3. The poll itself is fine. The actual problem I see is that it was not specified what will be the outcomes based on each possible result.

I like this solution. It is something like I imagined, some compromise between 2 and 3, one forum with subforums, so the brands are separated, but not taking too much space.

For me that would be the worst solution. As I already said I want for instance Bluebrixx sets and Bluebrixx MOCs in some dedicated space together. I do not want to search for them all over the forum.

In practice single dedicated forum (Mix all other brands) can be created.

Yes, 14% of them.

I agree, I want Bluebrixx sets and Bluebrixx MOCs together, but certainly not mixed with lego.

I am not sure why are we discussing this, because as I understand it only option 4 would require tags filtering, which is clearly last with only 14% supporting it. I am stronly against tags, becuase it basically never works in practice. I also do not trust people to use the correct tags, especially new users, so the moderators would have a lot of work to do. It will be also hard to set a definite collection of possible tags. Because of all this i much prefer subforums to tags.

Well, it is a multiple choice poll, so yes, in theory in such cases the winner takes it all. This form of poll has nothing to do with the absolute majority.

I completely agree with that. I support options 2 and 3, but the attitude of some users almost made me change my mind. This has always been a lego brand forum and I find it very said that some try to present the opinion of those who want to keep it that way as somehow flawed and inferior, like "brand loyalty" is something objectively bad, I mean, yeah I support the change, but at least I respect others enough to aknowledge their poisiton. It is a poll, all options are equally valid. Although they said it is not binding I still hope they will respect the outcome, even if option 1 wins. As for my opinion I like forums structured and separated (even the current forum structure is a bit too mixed and chaotic for my liking). I really want to explore themes, sets and palettes of other brands, but if that means in any way integrating or mixing them with lego, then I prefer option 1. And I would also like to add something else as my observation of this debate. Although I am not that interested in brickbuilding and more in lego brand creations like themes, stories, lores, original characters etc. (I mean bricks are just a medium, I would still follow lego even if they returned to wood) I found something interesting that some might find helpful. I think one of the reasons why some users on both sides seem to be talking past each other, is that they view the relation palette-idea completely different. On the one side are those who start with the available bricks and then then think what they can build with them, these are mainly those who value "purity", classic parts, sets and themes, alternative models, BDP, limited small palettes, play features, NPU, abstract representaion etc. On the other hand are those who start with the idea, these are mainly those who value "unlimited creativity", polished designs, MOCs, Ideas, custom parts, alt brands, display models, licences, big palettes, more colours, realism etc. So it is a fundamentally different aproach and I think it is extremely hard or even impossible to structure the forum in a way to suit everyone.

Yes, it is basically how society works. And yes, many people me included came here for the brand. Lego is much more than just system bricks. It is Blacktron, M-tron, Wolfpack, Forestmen... It is all this wonderful worlds, magazines, legolands, computer games etc. This was and is a brand forum. Therefore I support changing one brand forum to more brands forum (Option 2 or 3), because of all the reasons already stated (misstreating loyal customers etc.), but certainly not changing brand forum to brickbuilding forum (4).

So the poll is not binding in any way? I am afraid that this could very well mean introducing option 4 in one way or another, through the back door as someone said, which is clearly the least supported option with only 14 percent supporting it. I was really looking forward to option 2. I can hardly wait to start discussing other brands. I want to see what magical worlds they have to offer.

I think the debate often goes this way, brand worshipers or fanboys on one side (1) and those who love the medium of interlocking bricks on the other (2-4). And I do not like this logic. I am for options 2 or 3, but certainly not because I would like to create stuff with the wide selection of bricks. Au contraire, I want to (to use your own words) worship another brand. I want to see what worldbuilding they can come up with and maybe find a replacement for lego. As I already said i primarely support the change, because no forums for those brands exist elsewhere. The art analogy someone made before was actually great. Why would an artist be wort less, if he chooses another limitation? Why would the limitation of using only bluebrixx be worth less than the limitation of using only lego? So thinking more about it, for me anything is acceptable except option 4 and option 2 needs to have subsubforums or at least separate topics to work. If you want to open the new forum just for "those of you who love the art of building bricks" and not for "us heretic worshippers whose temples have been banned so far" then I even prefer option 1.

This is my argument actually. So far the main reason for not having other brands was that company did not want that. Now that obstacle is removed, so I see no problem with finally adding other brands. If eurobricks would not have been part of the LAN, we would have had those forums years ago. Even the name mentions euro and bricks, not lego.

There are no such forums. That is exactly why I support 2 and 3. Few years ago I would vote for 1, but lego has been ignoring and neglecting us for years. We owe them nothing.

2 or 3, special forum with separate subforums.

I am a bit dissapointed. The only new (plastic) part is the shield, which I think would be better triangular considering the redesigned dragon. It is funny as the new logo was clearly made with the old shield shape in mind four or five years ago, but now the new shape is used. Other than that as expected, no flag and no new torsos.

It includes a spaceship! I think it is great.

I am also surprised Royal Nest was the most voted castle. Most of the castle selections since series 6 are kinda unpredictable and dissapointing. With Vending Machine retiring next year that also means there will be no Kraken set in BDP.

Regular sets are not designed by fans and are not a part of a community project. BDP was introduced in 2021 with the motto of "follow along" or something like that and it felt like the community is included in the process (voting, seeing bars etc.) and I liked that. There was basically no reason to change that except greed. And I am not writing this only as a (potential) buyer. I am writing it foremost as a fan and a follower, someone who is interested in the process and likes to read annual reports etc. Following the progress bars was one of my favourite things about BDP. I want to know what people like, what people buy etc. and I like to operate with hard facts. If you check my other posts on the forum I always back my statements with numbers and facts and it is hard to do so if they are more and more hiding the publicly important information. It would be wonderful of course if the numbers were available for regular sets, like they are for books and similar items, but of course unrealistic.

That is my critique actually. They want me just to buy it, with hidden and hard to find percentages, so they can do their shenanigans. It is not really a type of crowdfunding I would like to participate in. btw, you can still se percanteges here: https://bldp.pl/en/8?tab=info And to be clear, I am not a reseller, I just want things to be clear and transparent, which i know cannot really be expected by lego in the last decades.

They can have all the data for the past they want, it is still just a guess. They simply cannot know if and which sets will sell out, especially if we know that they all sold more than half with more than one week left. And as a result they cannot know for how much they can raise the quota. They clearly made a mistake last time, they were offering 45.000 Alchemist Shops, but then stopped selling them at 41.000. The available numbers should never get lowered, that is my point. This is not a way how to organise a transparent crowdfunding.

I was very critical already for the last round and I still do not get their logic. They increased the Dustmark Keep to 35.000, but all the sets are selling well and might be sold out. But that is mathematically impossible, as that would amount to 155.000. It would seem that also the maximum was increased, but no, it was the same last time and then they just stopped selling them before they reacehed the limit. The system is totally flawed and needs to be changed, if they have any respecxt for the customers. If they cannot get the total production capacity over 150.000, they should just stay at 30.000 and that is it. The greed is killing them.

Hm, I kinda prefer this one, except maybe for the head. It is obvious it is lego and I can see some alternative builds. But that is the beautiful thing about art, it is subjective.

No, I am comparing two brands, lego and Star Wars and I am showing how cross-branding went only one way and speculating what would the reactions be if it went the other way.

It is not just slaping a logo as you try to indicate. If some classic lego fan would refer to licenced themes as "slaping lego logo on popular stuiff" there would be an outrage. It is actually about inserting something into Star Wars and making it a part of it. If Darth Vader can become part of lego universe, why cannot Benny become part of Star Wars? And there is no grudge against Star Wars fans, I have no idea where you got that. It is just a comparison. I am pretty sure that Star Wars fans would not like if more than half of the Star Wars movies would be about characters from other IP. For most of them it would be "not getting what they want". You might say but this is no longer Star Wars, but that would be just your opinion. Many of us thought this is not lego, when we first saw Star Wars and Harry Potter in catalogues 25 years ago. But than slowly you realise sadly it is. It is something the company is now making. But I like that you see inserting lego stuff into Star wars as "it would not be Star Wars", "slapping Star Wars logo", "false advertising" etc. This way you might actually better understand how we feel with licenced themes.