Vincent Denis

*Fwom fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom* Gotcha. I have been incredibly busy. I have stated that I'm not confident in lynching Justin. How could I be unless I had information and I do not? As far as not switching my vote to Alex when I suggested it, I want to start communicating with everyone about what the best path forward for the town is. It's easy for the scum to hitch onto any wagon and plop a vote and a vague reason and then run. There also seem to be three potential courses of action and I don't want the votes split three ways. I'd like to switch my vote as I think it's the best course for the town to test Alex's claim. I put time into my vote posts and I've been exhausted and swamped cleaning that crow out of my tuba. *Fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom*

*Fwom fwomma fwom fwom* If you dig through all of his words, he suspected Alex and Aiden all day as he saw Alex as defending me. I think his choice makes sense if he was suspicious of all three of us and we were all three scum, the quietest one would likely be the one chosen to perform the night kill. Oh yeah? Why's that? *Fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom*

*Fwom fwomma fwom fwom* What would this look like? Night One Alex: Hi, Daniel! I'm vanilla. Daniel: Imma block this bitch. *Fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom*

*Fwom fwom fwomma fwom* I had actually been referring to you. So, let me double check this. 1. We want to know if it's role madness. 2. Alex claimed vanilla 3. Alex has made 2 posts, maybe? none of which has any substance 4. We are not lynching Alex Shouldn't we be lynching Alex? *Fwom fwomma fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom*

*Fwom fwomma fwom fwom* Honestly, why is anyone buying this? Every syllable seems forced. This is the most epic case of flying under the radar and succeeding. "Well, I'm vanilla. Everyone else has a role but it's not role madness, just little old me, vanilla. Nothing else to add. The town forgot to PM me their strategy to me so I'm out of here for a good 96 hours or more now." Yeah, about that. Is this a repeat of the last game where the scum are the quiet ones and all of us townies are screaming at each other at pointing paranoid fingers at each other while the scum are like "Ha, ha. dummies." Alex, Trenton, Peter, Fabien? We have 50 blockers and the random claim of a limited use "knight." And a bunch of us claiming "role" or "minor role." We have three blockers for a reason. Would the town have three blockers in a game that isn't role madness? If we believe Alex's weird vanilla claim, why aren't we looking these gift blockers in the mouth? Or are they blocker horses? And what exactly the fuck is a knight?? How is this not the main focus of today? Where the hell is Aiden? He kind of disappeared, hasn't he? He's a blank book, so far as I can tell. And these unspecific role claimers, of which I'm one, could also be scum in a role madness game. What are the possibilities in a non-role-madness game of 16 players, there would be a total of three vanilla players? I'm asking seriously. Just claiming "role" is a good place for scum to hide as well. Granted, that points the finger at me, and I don't plan to claim in-thread, but you should all be thinking it. Two "minor role" claims, two "role" claims and three "no-claims." Interesting. Robin claims a protection action and calls it "minor?" Even limited use, protection is a powerful tool. We had three blockers and a protector in Pirates II, btw, which was role madness. The other end of this is one of the things that continues to fuel my suspicion of Andrew and Justin. If they had an idea of what happened in the last game, they would know that the inactive people flipped scum, so they poked the inactive players right away. As much as Justin wants to tell us that he's been super active, his post count doesn't reflect this. Not that quantity matters over quality, but man, that guys can out-wall-of-text any of us. Yes, we get it. I suspect you and annoy you, therefore scum. You make a great case. Look, you've shaken my confidence in suspecting you and that's not sarcasm. I'm not sure on you at all, how could I be? Our job is to point out our suspicions and you've pinged me a lot. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry it's annoying you. I was seriously annoyed by Daniel's insistence that I'm scum when I know damn well I'm not, so I get that. I'm not going to respond to every point, but I'll re-iterate what pings me about you. I wanted to get the vote and suspicions out early so you and everybody else had plenty of time to respond. I'm curious about on thing, if you stop by before I get to responding, what besides suspecting you, posting walls of text and annoying makes you think I'm scum? What about my actions leads you to believe that I'm playing a scum game? That is unclear to me right now. *Fwom fwomma fwom fwom fwom fwomma fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwmomma fwom*

*Fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom* OK, help me out here because I'm really trying to understand what you're saying. On night two, you wanted to protect me, but didn't. Or were you blocked? You wanted to target me because your didn't trust Daniel, even after the roleclaim. I do agree with you that Daniel can be described as Chaotic Town if he's town. Help me out because you seem to have two thoughts there. "I don't trust you," but I "describe you as Chaotic Town" is what you say to Daniel. The whole sentence doesn't scan together with you not trusting him, yet describing him as town. In the second post, you are responding to Daniel's question about (paraphrasing) "How dumb would I have to be to go after Vincent for two days and then kill him at night, knowing he'd flip town?" and your story seems to change to "Well, I thought it would save us two townies if I protected him." See why I'm confused? *Fwom fwom fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom fwom*

*Fwom fwom fwom fwom* Busy day cleaning the tuba. A crow flew into it, very messy. I don't have much time and, of course, a lot I want to respond to. This quote pinged the living shit out of me. Robin, your reason for considering protecting me is based on Daniel and I both being town. Like, you seem really sure of it. Like you have information, sure. I have a lot more to add, but there's plenty of time. I'm not sure when I'll be able to chime in but I bet you're all just waiting with baited breath to hear what I have to say. In reality, I imagine you all enjoyed the quiet. *FWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM FWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM FWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM FWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM FWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM*

Bullshit. Vanillaiser Your definition and your spelling don't appear on mafiascum. It does not say permanently. *Fwom fwom fwom*

*Fwom fwom* That's a great point, Robin. Annoying is not a reason to find anyone scummy. It's exactly the reason Andrew said that if either me or Daniel were scum it was me, because he found me more annoying. Excuse the fuck out of me if I say that nobody has more right to be annoyed with Daniel than me. But have I ever voted for him? No. Yes, I found our PM interaction scummy but I waited to see responses from him to gauge if I felt he was town or not. Basing decisions on annoyance is an emotional appeal, not an actual scum read. So, justify all you want with annoyance, the real way to hunt scum is to weigh people's actions against their words. Scapegoating annoyance as your reason to vote indicates a flippancy that is masking an intention to mislead the town along the lines of chaos. *Fwooooooooom fwoooooooooooooooooom* *Fwom fwom fwomma fwom* As a wise man once told me, pay attention. *Fwom fwom fwomma fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwomma fwom fwom* I would hope this counts in order but just in case... Unvote: Justin Reynauld Vote: Justin Reynaud *Fwom fwom*

*Fwom fwom fwom fwom* If we have another option today, it's Robin. In addition to other actions, his vote and un-vote on you are Scummy. It's one thing to suggest a policy lynch of you, which I'm of the opinion that you deserved. Maybe I did or do too, nothing personal intended. But, if was going to vote for you and switch after your claim, the first vote should've been from the perspective that you were actually scum. If he wanted a policy lynch, your roleclaim shouldn't have made a difference. I lean town on you and Emmett. I think scum had to have voted on you, besides Joshua, yes. I'm just not sure it's Emmett. And Justin's vote was conveniently on me all day, a place where no other vote, except yours, ended up. That's scummy for staying off of Joshua's wagon, being for me or not. I'm a bit busy tonight. How many non-voters did we have? *Fwooooooom*

*Fwom fwom fwom fwom* No. I've had my own suspicions of him. One of them was that he voted for you as a policy lynch meaning he believed you were town, then unvoted you after your claim, which doesn't change that you'd be town. *Fwom fwom fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom*

Do. Not. Try. I can't recognize them. I was trying to be so clever but when I re-read the threads I'm like "What is that???" Several times it's the meow mix song... *Fwom fwom fwom fwom Fwom fwom fwom fwom Fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom*

This is gentle for who I think he is. *Fwom fwom* And I have the greatest respect for Emmett and Andrew, even if it was only found in retrospect of re-reading old games and deeming myself a forum inbred jerk.

And yet you don't bold the part right after where I say "or no action" fueling my concern that you're just creating a narrative. Oh, shit. I almost forgot *Fwom fwom fwom fwom* Fuck, man. It's so hard to keep track of all your posts. Seriously, practice being concise. If you're town, I'm on your side, but it's so hard to keep up with your posts because they're just fluid thought process. It's truly hard to follow. I want to work with you, but even if you're town, I kind of don't. As much as I lean town on you, I don't find your posts helpful. I'm sorry. I know that must sound harsh but you're just tiring in your manic behavior. As someone expressed to you in Pirates II, I think it was the brilliant Ethan Dunn, I think you get hung up on people who question you and tend to highlight townies arguing as opposed to finding where the scum are hiding. Since you've claimed who you are and that you play a one-minute-day version of this on mafia.gg, may I suggest that you're playing the one-minute version in a laid-back 96 hour version of the same game? You need to adjust. Maybe Ethan didn't say this explicitly, but he probably felt it, not that I know his thoughts as I'm Vinvent Denis. But it's the feeling people get from interacting with you that matters and their memories of it and that, vicariously, are mine. Maybe some scum voted on you? But your process of elimination isn't concrete. Maybe it is in 60 seconds, but in 96 hours scum and town both have an almost infiinite amount of further options than what you seem to be analyzing. Looking at what I've gleaned about Emmett, I lean town on him. So maybe some scum voted for you, but I'd lean towards Robin. who just un-voted you after your claim (and has acted really scummy) and then never re-voted. Jean was also suspicious of him. Even scummy Justin is putting in more effort than Robin. I wonder why you don't mention Robin in your analysis. That makes me feel like you're looking at final tallies instead of the whole picture. Or did you mention Robin? I don't know. It's hard to keep up with all your posts. In an honest way, intending to be a help, your posts make me feel sad and tired. *Fwom fwom*

@Daniel Lucas I can see what I did that caused confusion. Oh, also *fwom fwom fwom * When I say I'm super curious about Alex claiming vanilla, I mean I'm super curious about him claiming "vanilla." As I say right after, I would imagine scum would be ready with roleclaims. So, him saying blatantly that he has no action invites scrutiny if he was part of Pirates II, but also gives credence to the idea that if he was part of Pirates II he would know better than to be claiming vanilla. In any instance, we need to stop provding Alex answers and get his response on this. As it stands, he has a good amount of excuses if he's scum and he slipped up. Please, don't tell me to pay attention again. I think the fact that I've answered all of your concerns for three days now would show that I'm paying very close attention. Please try to show the same respect. *Fwom fwomma fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom Fwom fwom fwom fwom fwooooooooooooooom fwoooooooooooooooom fwoooooooooooooooooom* Alex has not been active enough for us to be providing him so much benefit of the doubt.

*Fwom fwom fwom fwom* No shit. I totally agree with this. I'm trying to help when I say I don't see anybody getting personal. Nobody is attacking your family or your children. They're playing the game, you play the game too. Snap out of it. I've stated that three role blocking claims make sense because we had them in Pirates II. I've also stated assumptions are reckless. Peter hasn't pinged me. I've actually got him in the potential town column. I'm not crazy about this. @Fred Dumont Why Peter? I'm totally for tagging anonymous accounts, by the way. Despite Joshua railing against them, I keep a separate browser open to access this game anonymously, so I hear notifications. You. Pay. Attention. I've also made the same point that Alex didn't claim vanilla. Please point out where I did so. I've already clarified my previous post. If you quote it again then you clearly aren't paying attention *Fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom fwom*

*Fwoom fwoom* My point is in favor of Alex being town. If he's scum, he should've been prepared to claim, like you clearly were. Yet, he didn't. This is a point that he is not scum, in that if we are mostly the same crew from the last game, he would know not to claim vanilla or "no action" if he were scum. If he's town and didn't want to reveal a role that would be inconsiderate to your claim, wouldn't it? The scum in the last game thought they'd win by coasting under the radar and not posting. Alex is barely posting, which is scummy, but could indicate he's actually busy. If the scum in the last game were caught for being inactive, the most suspicious to me are those being active by post count but not by content, like Justin. Emmett is consistent in his suspicious of Daniel. He said the same to me last night and his reasoning is the same. This contrasts greatly to Justin, whose reads vary widely and seem convenient to circumstances. Vote: Justin Reynauld because—let me count the ways: Poke voting Joshua to seem active but not actually having a reason to do so. His reason was "to get everyone talking." How does a poke vote of one person get everyone talking. He's said he's had previous experience that a poke vote has gotten every player talking but when pressed, didn't provide examples. Not removing his vote from Joshua for the duel-reason of keeping people talking and not finding Joshua's posts sufficient. It can't be both. For voicing suspicion about Joshua but never voicing the biggest concern that his posts didn't reflect reality: Saying Fred and Emmett were pushing for a no-lynch when they weren't. For telling us he didn't want Joshua lynched and then telling us that he did, despite us being able to see that he did say he wasn't in favor of the Joshua lynch. This after keeping his vote on Joshua throughout the duration of Day One. For, supposedly, not knowing he was the hammer vote for Joshua. Oh, oops. I didn't realize. For PMing Daniel to inquire about his suspicion of me, and then not responding, seeming to Daniel (as stated earlier today) that it was just an attempt to set up a wagon on me the next day. From what Daniel communicated to us, I agree with that. I feel his posts have also been pushing for an eventual lynch of me, and I know I'm town. Justin, I'm pretty sure you're scum so I'll place this vote now to give plenty chance to prove yourself. It's early enough in the day for you to convince us otherwise, or further show your scummy hand. Your vote on Joshua seems like bussing, even though you didn't even do that convincingly like you were afraid of pointing out his scummiest actions. This one's for Justin: *Fwomma fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwomma fwomma fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwomma fwomma fwomma* All of my songs are specific to real song rythms. I should start keeping a spreadsheet, because I'm starting to lack the ability to identify them when reading back...

*Fwoooooooom fwooooooooooom* Mm Hm... He told me your response was basically, "Oh boy! I thought you were scum but I feel better about you now because scum would never send a PM like that." I responded that it seemed forced and he did not comment any further. I guess time will tell... Mmmkay. So Justin and Andrew seem to be planting the subtle seeds for my lynching. Maybe I'm over-reacting (it's happened before) but they seem to be poking at me. Maybe it's because I'm constantly suspicious of them. If I were scum and wanted to push town towards a specific lynch, I'd be doing the same thing, I think. They know they have an ally in Daniel. The idea that my walls of texts are harder to read over than Daniel's I find ludicrous. Maybe they affect the readability of the threads the same way, but I've been consciously attempting to not throw books back at him. For Justin not to mention both of us in that case seems suspicious. Seems to me more like he's hiding behind Daniel's walls of texts–or both of ours–but hiding nonetheless. Making assumptions about the game mechanics is metagaming, so I'll metagame right back at ya. I had a discussion with Bob after Pirates II about how I thought the setup favored the town. We discussed allowing PMs in games and came to the conclusion that it hurts the scum for town to have the ability to coordinate so closely. And he changed that rule. I also suggested that everybody having a role set the scum at a disadvantage too since it gave them no room to counterclaim or claim vanilla. Having this game start with one of the things we discussed being changed, I figured it was a good idea not to assume he would be using role madness again. I don't think it's ever safe to assume what a host may have done, setting the game mechanics, so caution is the best way forward. It's reckless to just barrel forward with assumptions. But, keep it up you two, from a townie perspective, it's fun to watch. *Fwom fwom fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwoooooooom fwooooooooooom fwoooooooooooom*

*Fwom fwomma fwom fwom* It's not a gem if you can find it twice in five minutes. Yes, you've caught me. I bolded my scummy defense of Alex. Ooops. I guess I'm a forum inbred jerk, after all. If this wasn't role madness, then everybody who agreed is basically wearing a sign that says "I have a power role, scum! Kill me!" Imagine three people agreed it was role madness, then five other players were like "I'm vanilla townie." I could draw you a diagram if it will help you understand my reasoning. Or a play! I could write you a play. Just ask. Someone who was really smart in the last game, I think it was Ethan Dunn, made a similar warning and he was town. I think he was right to make that warning. I'd imagine if he were playing this game, he would make it again. *Fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom*

*Fwom fwom fwom fwom* OK, fine. With a side eye on both of you. Since we seem to barreling ahead with claims, too late to stop it. However, I have no evidence there are vanilla townies. I have a role. I am super curious about Alex claiming vanilla when in the last game Paul got lynched for saying he was vanilla. I would imagine all the scum would be ready with roleclaims. So we have three blocking actions? That would be consistent with Pirates II. We had a blocker, jailkeeper and "commuter" which was also used in opposition to how it's defined on Mafiascum. Also, it didn't protect the target from all actions the way a commuter actually would. Three blocking roles scan if Bob used the same setup. *Fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom*

*Fwom fwomma fwomma fwom* I think it's best that we are careful about discussing if we think it's role madness. If it's not, then anyone with a power role has left themselves out in public as targets for the scum. It's an easy tell for Alex's alignment if this is role madness, but that's a big risk at the same time. I'll repeat what Jean said when I brought this up in private. Alex claimed he has no action. He might have a flavor or a passive action. So, Alex may be lying, Alex might have a passive action, or Alex is telling the truth and this is not role madness. I spoke to someone else via PM last night that had an uncanny ability to tell the future. They guessed that Jean had information and that's why he pushed for Joshua's lynch all day, even guessing that Joshua would flip scum. I have to say, right on, to this person. Well done. It pings me now that Jean is dead and Joshua flipped scum. I doubt scum would communicate their hand like that via PM, but WIFOM. This is my only ping on this person. Andrew voiced something similar, though vaguely, "Jean obviously wanted Josh out." I'm not suggesting any course of action at this point, just putting that out there for discussion. *Fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom*

*fwom fwom fwom* What did you think of his response? *Fwom fwom fwom fwom fwooooooooom*

*Fwom fwom fwomma fwom* Are you operating under the assumption that this is role madness and town would conceivably have a blocker and a jailkeeper? *Fwomma fwom fwomma fwom fwom fwom fwom*

*Fwom fwomma fwomma fwom* Show us the PMs! I want screen caps! Scumz!!!!! Just kidding. Did you let anyone else know you had messaged him in case you did end up dead? Also, it doesn't seem likely Daniel is scum, but consider that he may have assumed you were messaging someone else, and therefore, killing you was too risky? Or keeping you around might start a town block to infiltrate? These are all possibilities I believe we should consider; I'm not saying we act on them, but keep them in our minds. Did you reveal your target to him? *Fwom fwom fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom*

*Fwom fwom fwomma fwom* Great job getting that wagon rolling. Even better job taking credit for it. Do you have...you know...your own thoughts about anything going on? Looks like you've put in a good amount of time this morning, looking active. Was that obvious? He seemed to just think a lynch was important. Why does it look to you that he thought Joshua should go? *Fwom fwomma fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwomfwom fwoooooooooooom*