Vincent Denis

I can't see it not being 3, including Trenton, because they chose to kill last night. They're giving up the lie. One of the blockers has to be lying. Unless there's a way that Emmett and Peter are the remaining Scum. The only way to discourage killing tonight is to block Peter and Emmett. Where does that leave us? Right here. Without Trenton. However, if we can get Andrew to agree to block Peter and Fred to agree to block Emmett, then there should be no kill tomorrow. OK, here are some what-ifs: Peter/Fred Scum Team If Andrew gets blocked and Peter kills then we'll know because Andrew will tell us he was unsuccessful. So they'd have to kill Andrew. If they choose to kill Emmett, Fred can't pretend to have been blocked unless he wants to say that Emmett killed himself or Peter did it. If they kill you, Andrew is here to say he was unsuccessful and Emmett will confirm he wasn't blocked, and he'd have been tracking Peter and will know if Peter killed you. Andrew/Emmett Scum Team If Fred gets blocked and Emmett kills then we'll know because Fred will tell us he was unsuccessful. So they'd have to kill Fred. If they choose to kill you, that would be the Hell situation for me where I have to choose which team to go with. But considering what I said above about who Peter and Fred would have to kill, your death would implicate Andrew and Emmett. Wait, now I'm really hurting my brain. If Scum Emmett kills Aiden, I just basically told them how to pin it on Peter/Fred. Didn't I? I need a break. My brain just broke. *Fwom: Oh, I thought it was you. I'm sorry. My point about you guessing it is that it makes you likely town. So WTF your face! *Fwoom*

Robin told me I was the only person he told that he was a Seraph Knight, but Andrew guessed it, either in thread or in a PM with me. So, if he thought that, and Robin said he'd protected Emmett twice in a row, Scum team Andrew/Emmett wouldn't have killed Robin, I don't think. Robin said he was in contact with Emmett but hadn't shared his role with him. This makes me think Emmett knew he was being protected, though I'm not sure. Emmett wouldn't kill Robin if he was being protected by him...and I just deleted three paragraphs of what-ifs to make this post readable. *Fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwomma fwom fwom*

Right. So if Emmett is dead, then Fred and Peter are Scum and if Fred is dead then Emmett and Andrew are Scum. Unless, they decide to kill you to throw the rest of us off, leaving me in the worst fucking position possible. I'd win either way, but then I'd feel bad about the win if I picked the wrong team.

Hey @Bob , hypothetically, would 3:3:1 be parity?

Um...dead Tracker? Just hazarding a guess. *Fwom* Do all players with sexy beards get two votes? *Fwomma fwom* If Fred is Town he should block Emmett. If Andrew is Town he should block Peter. Right? *Fwomma fwomma fwom*

*Fwom fwom* I have a WIFOM hangover now. You should've spelled "Fred" acrostically, and I would've found it!! Also, So, you're recruitment didn't work because you don't have one, so you can only be pissed at your imagination. Another good effort, though. If you were on board with the idea of Peter being the killer and Fred lying about blocking him, what do you think of the idea of Trenton being the killer and you lying about blocking him? Should we plan on lynching you? Suggesting that the Scum would lose their blocker if it was Joshua is interesting. Typically, Scum get to swap their roles around if one dies. Why would they discard blocker if they had this choice? However, if Joshua was the blocker and they lost their ability to block with him, who killed last night, Andrew? Emmett? Because he's the only one left. I'm a neutral bulletproof Survivor and unless Aiden is bussing his Scum-buddy, then only Emmett could be the killer. Does he know that Aiden targeted nobody because the claim of Governor must be true if Emmett's Scum? They can't be all three be working together unless Aiden decided to go rogue and bus Trenton. Why would Aiden do this if there are 3 Scum and they need just one mislynch to win. Yes, it's possible Emmett is the killer, but to suggest that the Scum don't have a blocker currently, kind of means you should've reached that conclusion on your own. But you don't. You re-iterate that you trust Emmett. So if you trust Emmett and you blocked Jean, then you set up tomorrow's lynch for us. Who is the Scum if you actually blocked Trenton last night? This game has turned into the ultimate WIFOM, which blocker is lying? Scenario 1 Andrew and Trenton are Scum—Andrew works his way into the Town block by blocking who he says he's going to. He knows the block targets since Night Three, so he could've orchestrated it so there was no kill on a night where 3 Not-Scums were being blocked. He didn't block Trenton last night who was the killer all along and freed him up to take out Robin and they thought that would get them the win. ...And for some reason he talked to me all night about who the remaining Scum are. Why would he spend his time talking to a Neutral about who was Scum if he thought he had won? And if it's just two of them left it would be Town:Scum:Neutral, 3:2:1 today so why kill last night? Unless... Scenario 2 Andrew, Emmett and Trenton are Scum—Same story as above with Emmett and Andrew working in the Town block. This it the third Scummo that made them think they had won last night. This would make sense why Andrew came up with the idea that there is no Scum blocker but still trusts Andrew. Unless... Scenario 3 Fred, Peter and Trenton are Scum—They thought using their kill last night would get them the win. Fred knew the blocks since Night Three when we first saw no kill. That implicated three non-Scums as killer. If Peter is the killer, then there was no kill because he was blocked those two nights. This actually gave Fred the leeway to block Peter since they didn't want to kill anyway since it kept getting Townies lynched. Last night Peter killed Robin and Fred lied about the block. They thought they had the win, here we are today. Unless... Scenario 4 Emmett and Trenton are Scum—I think the math here would be that the Scum can swap their Actions around. Emmett can track or kill. Trenton can track or kill. This seems dubious and I feel dumb even suggesting it. This is what Andrew seems to be suggesting if he wants to believe both blockers. Although, if Emmett knew the block plans and the blockers had him tracking blockers, he could guess they were going to target who they said they would, he would know that Trenton targeted nobody since they were choosing not to kill and he'd also know Aiden couldn't target anybody because his claim of Governor would have to be true in this scenario. I told him my tracking target from Night One, in thread. But then why decide to stop killing when there's only two of them? This scenario is super weak. But this exercise, apologies that it's yet again a wall of text , I think proves that there must be three Scum left, including Trenton. Unless there's a Tristan out there that we just haven't heard of yet. Peter seems to think there is— Why are you bothering going on about how Aiden and I could be working together and then voting for the person Aiden caught as Scum in the same post? Your proposed lynching of Aiden and me, with Aiden un-lynching himself is somewhat silly. At least in that, you would lynch Aiden, he'd un-lynch himself, then not knowing what his alignment was, you'd lynch me next? I don't even know anymore. I bought Trenton's story hook, line and sinker, so I'm really thankful we have Aiden's brain around to catch him. I didn't find Peter's responses to my gambit incredibly Scummy, but maybe someone else can pick up something I didn't, if there's anything even there. With the way this has gone, maybe he is the Psychologist. Peter, who did you try to target last night, by the way? Please say Robin. What I thought was Scummy about the response, as light of pings as they are: 1. He didn't want to talk to me. As I said earlier, I'd have kept me talking for as long as possible. Again, maybe I underestimate people's desire to want to talk to me. 2. He totally believed I was Neutral. Again, totally convinced of it. I think the only way he can be so sure this is true is if he knows I have to reason to lie about. 3. Now that we know Trenton is Scum, the misspelling of Trenton as Tristan seems potentially forced. "I'm so not on the same team as this guy, I don't even know his name." Peter, did you copy my PMs to anybody? I double posted so I don't think he saw the second question at first, although 10 minutes had passed before he responded and I almost immediately posted the second question. Trenton being Scum makes me suspect Andrew, but if that's the case Andrew certainly put his hours in as he spoke with me all night via PM about who the remaining Scum could be. Maybe Peter didn't want to talk, as Andrew suggested via PM, because he thought the game was over and didn't want to bother. That thought makes me lean more towards Fred and Peter. Why would they break the block gambit unless they thought 3:3:1 would get them the win? Perhaps they thought parity meant Town=Scum, who cares about the neutral? And Bob had been thinking parity meant 2:3:1. Is anyone even reading all of this? *Fwomma fwom, fwomma fwom* Take time to make time, make time to be there! *Fwom fwomma fwooooooooom, fwomma fwom*

*Fwomma fwomma fwom fwom* And the one that supposedly took place after the Day ended is from the night thread. Yes, they're fake as far as I can tell. Good catch. That's why there are so few messages. Remi hardly posted. It's possible to post those without that link back, but not for the Gamer group. At least I don't think. It's been ages since I tried to fake a PM in a game. Aiden, excellent job. It's nice to actually have caught someone in a lie! You're a hero! So, who's he working with? Anybody want to see my PMs with Peter? That will help everyone decide if he's Scum or not. I know I said I'd wait for his permission, but there's a statute of limitations on that. I expected to see more activity this morning, or late morning or 1/4 of the way through the day or whatever. My favorite theory is still Fred and Peter working together but that's just because it's the most clever theory and most interesting. Would Trenton fit into that? *Fwom fwom fwom fwom* I'll add that's a pretty good fake conversation, Trenton. Good effort. *Fwoooooooooooooooooom*

*Fwomma fwomma fwom fwom* I suspect they're both OK with it, but I'll wait for their permission to post the rest of the PMs. *Fwom fwom fwom fwom, fwom fwom fwom fwom, fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom*

*Fwomma fwomma fwom fwom* Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? I came to you at night and offered you what now? To strongarm your kill? That's crazy. That is such a blatant lie, you Scum! I can't even do such a thing. Oh, wait. You mean this? Oh, right. I forgot. Well, I did. I offered to target you so that you could break free from the blockers and be free to kill. And you didn't take me up on the offer. This must be shocking news to everyone. Well, Aiden didn't seem to mind at all, but anyway, everyone must be shocked. Except Andrew: Poor Andrew was very busy last night as that's where most of my walls of text went. There's a lot more than just this. But, in the mean time, let's go back to what you were saying: Your reaction wasn't blatantly Scummy, but you definitely didn't want to talk anymore about it. You didn't want to be a strongarm Psychologist, either, and you just can't stand talking to Neutrals, because they're gross and they smell weird and they play tubas! No, icky Neutral, go away, I won't talk to you. I think I'd have been fascinated in your Town shoes and I'd have kept me talking for as long as possible. Maybe I over-estimate people's desire to hear what I have to say... I also don't care that Fred was tracked targeting you on Night Five. That is exactly what gives you the cover to attempt a kill on Night Six. Fred lies and you kill. "But we saw Fred blocking Peter!" All it proves is that he blocked you on Night Five. He could've kicked crows all night last night and we wouldn't know. The problem with your cover story is that your Scum are all in one basket. You have to be risking both of you, if one of you isn't believed. The fact that you're arguing Fred isn't lying because he was tracked targeting you on a night where there was no kill demonstrates the narrative you want us to believe. Two holes in your thinking here, Jolly-Joe-Sexy-Beard: 1. In your scenario, you and Fred are both Town, why would we lynch Fred if you flip Town tomorrow? We'd probably not suspect Fred anymore at that point. 2. Why would you lynch me if Aiden flips Town? Oops. Aiden was Town, let's lynch that pesky neutral to win! Makes no sense. *Fwomma fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom*

April 20th at 5:32 PM, Central Daylight Time And then... Any other questions, Peter-with-the-sexy-beard? Fred's is better, but still. *Fwom fwom, fwomma fwomma fwom, fwoooma, fwom fwom, fwomma fwomma fwom, fwoooma fwom* The hurtin's on me, yeah. I can never be free now, baby, no, no *Fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom* And you broke it, you broke it. *Fwom fwom, fwomma fwomma fwom, fwomma fwom*

*Fwomma fwomma fwom fwom* I buy this. Thank you. You're beautiful. Also, Remi's a nerd. Who says "Ahoy there?" Dork. If a tubist calls you a dork you've got some serious life assessment to consider. It would help round out the reality if we could see your PMs to him? Just to channel Daniel and be annoyingly thorough. Sorry... All signs point to Peter and Fred. *Fwom fwom fwom, fwom fwom fwom* Spinning wheel's got to go round! *Fwom fwomma fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom, fwomma fwomma fwomma fwomma fwomma fwoooom fwooooooooooooooooom*

*Fwomma fwomma fwomma fwom* Apologies. I did fundamentally misunderstand the Ruke. Bob said we can't post screen caps but you could've quoted the PMs to me in private and you can definitely post them now. So, could you please? It will help us get a clearer picture of the game. Thanks! *Fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwomma fwomma*

*Fwomma fwom fwom fwom* Yeah, thanks Andrew, for not being Scum and telling us that Aiden killed Robin. So, are Trenton and Andrew a Scum team? Is it either Peter and Fred or Trenton and Andrew? What the fuck? Can we have an Action that tells us if someone is Scum or not? This blocky-tracky thing isn't working. Like someone who ...like, investigates... a player? Like a Jean? Stupid Jean, getting killed early. *Fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwomma fwom fwom* A little less conversation, a little more action, please...wait, is that directed at me? *Fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom*

Oh thank Christ I've been ruminating over nothing. That was going to stress the shit out of me. Hey, try being a neutral bulletproof survivor. We'll freaky Friday later. Hey, we could do that. I'll login as you and you'll login as me and nobody will be able to tell the difference! Just make sure to spaz the fuck out over every little thing, OK? I've asked Bob if we can't post our PM conversations to each other via PM. Either way, Trenton knows he can post the conversations with Remi in the day thread, so why hasn't he? *Fwooooooooooooooom*

*Fwomma fwomma fwomma fwom* We haven't seen Emmett, so we hardly can speculate on something he hasn't told us. But just judging by my scenario 1 and Fred's comment that he suspects you are the killer, I'm going to speculate these two things: 1. Andrew has been postulating that you're the Godfather, not sure why, and that you inherited the kill. From Joshua, I suppose? In which case, you killed Jean and then sat on the kill for a few days, la di da, waiting for the Town to lynch the players who were blocked. You diabolical meme-poster! Scum Fred and Scum Emmett set this up because they only have to convince one Townie or neutral to lynch you and Andrew is already in line. Scum Fred didn't block Scum Peter and Scum Emmett gives us false tracking results. or 2. You're the scum killer and I enjoy over-thinking things and I'm totally wrong to believe otherwise. However, if we get the alleged evidence from Emmett that Aiden killed Robin, I'm going to hypothetically pre-ask ( ) why would Scum Aiden kill when he could continue to sit on it and let us lynch Peter today? And who would Scum Aiden have been working with? Was it Tristan? If this ends up being the case, we will fight over this for two days, since if we lynch Aiden today, he can unlynch himself. However, in this hypothetical scenario, the Scum have a chance to kill at night. So, we have to lynch correctly today. Counting a lot of pre-hatched chickens there. Fully demonstrating how I can just lose my fucking mind over this game and you're all lucky enough to have to read the mental vomit that I spew onto the page. *Fwom fwomma fwoooooom, fwom fwomma fwomma fwom* So is it raining in your bedroom? *Fwomma fwoooooom, fwom fwomma fwom fwom, fwom fwomma fwooooooom fwoooooom fwoooooooom*

Oh no, no. Never mind. I see. The vig could've killed the target of a reverse lynch. Gotcha, gotcha.

Meaning what? Does the Governor have the ability to resurrect a night kill? *Fwom*

*Fwom* So, you, Peter and Emmett are going to try to frame Aiden as the killer. Gotcha. *Fwomma fwom fwom fwom*

*Fwom fwomma* Which one of my scenarios does that fit into? *Fwom fwomma fwomma fwom*

*Fwomma* You had Fred block Peter? Let's think about this. We've been gleefully operating under the assumption that the Town had three blockers and the Scum had none. Again, we've been gleefully operating under the assumption that the Town had three blockers and the Scum had none. One more time, we've been gleefully operating under the assumption that the Town had three blockers and the Scum had none. What are the odds that the Scum wouldn't have a block ability in a role madness game? Here's what I think I discovered last night via PM: Peter—isn't dumb. He doesn't like neutrals. He's been trying to psycho-analyze someone named Tristan since Night Four. Emmett—I asked him if he was Scum and he said no. He wanted to lynch Peter yesterday but since he wasn't close to getting lynched, Emmett opted out of voting. He thought lynching Aiden was dumb. I think it's possible the Scum have a tracker. I've leaned Town on Emmett through most of the game and that makes me suspicious of him now. Especially since he stopped voting and slid under the radar. Fred—I also asked him if he was Scum and he also said no and wondered why I asked. When I asked him why he never pressed on his suspicions of Peter after trying to block him on Night One, he said he's been trying to fly under the radar so the Scum would forget he was a claimed blocker. That's likely for the Scum to forget if they've been perpetually blocked and all the conversation revolves around the players who were blocked. Good plan. Aiden—posts in short, straightforward sentences. Posts memes. Wanted to be lynched. Trenton—lies. Well, unless I'm fundamentally misunderstanding some Ruke, if he doesn't post his PMs with Remi, I think he'd make the best lynch candidate today. Oh yeah, one more. Andrew—I trust him the most now and that makes me suspicious of him again. But only in that way where I'm foreshadowing a conclusion where he's revealed as Scum and I'm like "Damn." This was going to be a quick post but it's turning into a wall of text, so I'm trying to categorize it to make it easier to navigate. Sorry. I need to seek professional help. Scenario 1 Fred, Emmet and Peter are Scum—The Scum having a blocker, killer and tracker makes sense. Emmett and Fred made their way into the Town block by using their Night Actions to give the Town false information. If this is the case, all they have to do is leave Peter free to kill Robin, who they knew wouldn't be protected but couldn't guess who he'd be protecting. Then Emmett can swoop in and claim Aiden targeted Robin and we would lynch Aiden and they'd win. But that would be a dumb plan if Aiden can un-lynch himself. Scenario 2 Aiden is the killer—Maybe? We'll see what Emmett reports. Voting for himself in order to get lynched yesterday indicates he is a Governor or the Scum have some sort of un-lynching capability. People keep saying that Mafia Scum says Governor can be any alignment. Yes, it does say that but it also says this, "Mafia Governors are overpowered in normal circumstances for obvious reasons - they can delay the lynch of a scumpartner for a Day, getting the full benefits of having that partner alive for an extra Night. However, scum-side Governors only tend to appear in games where there are plenty of other ways to render someone dead aside from the lynch." Scenario 3 Fred, Peter and Trenton are Scum—If the Town had a one-shot strongarm, would the Scum have one as well? Did a JOAT make them one earlier in the game and they've been hanging onto it? If this is the case, then a Town Fred should report being unsuccessful. If they didn't use a strongarm, and Peter is working with Fred, Fred could tell us he was successful, implicating anybody who wasn't blocked by Andrew as the killer. Scenario 4 Peter and Trenton are Scum—This would take a strongarm action for one of them since they should've both been blocked. If Fred reports his block was unsuccessful and Trenton can't produce the PMs with Remi, then I would lean heaviest towards this being the scenario we are actually in, leaving us to wonder, "What the hell else could the Scum do in this game besides kill?" *Fwomma fwomma fwom*

What's a Ruke? Oh well, I've been doing it. Bob? I quoted a PM from one player to another player. Do I get penalty votes for this? Bob already told us the opposite. I'd find it weird if I did because many of the conversations during Days Two and Three revolved around copying PMs to other players. Actually, the advice we were given was to copy PMs to five different players. So, that's weird that Bob told you that, but hey, he's the host, so if I get penalty votes, so be it. Silly of me to fundamentally misunderstand that Ruke. Oopsy. So, if you can post your PMs with Remi, go for it. That will help clear things up. :pir-thumbup: Um, that should produce a hook. Why do we not have that?? *Fwomma fwomma fwomma fwooooooooooooooom* To the Neon God they'd made...

*Fwomma fwomma fwom* 3:3:1 would be LyLo. You wouldn't be at parity, because of me. Um...right? Why are you swearing, or rather, why are you not swearing? This group has the swear filter off so fuck shit damn piss boobies. See? Swear all you want. Can you share yet what the Night Action plan was? What happened? What happened? What happened? What happened? What happened? What happened? What happened? What happened? What happened? What happened? What happened? What happened? Where is everybody? So, what are we at? 4:2:1? 5:1:1?? I doubt that. *Fwomma fwomma fwomma fwoooooooom, fwom fwomma fwomma fwomma fwooooooooom* Because the vision softly creeping, left its seeds while I was sleeping* Fwomma fwommaaaaaa, fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwom, fwomma fwoooooom* within the sound of silence.

*Fwomma fwom fwom fwom* Let me spaz out and post immediately like I've been refreshing the forum repeatedly since I woke up waiting for the Day Thread. Robin was a Seraph Knight. He was locked into protecting one person once he chose a target. I PMed everybody last night and I've been busy. I'm so grateful Andrew is alive. Funny how I thought he was Scum for four days and now he's the person I trust the most. Um, Hi Peter! Trenton is a liar. I asked him to post the PMs between him and Remi and he claims Bob says we can't do that, but... That's not true. Vote: Trenton Monette I can't wait to see him backtrack and try to fake some PMs with Remi. That will be fun. I also can't wait to hear responses to some of the PMs I sent last night. I'll be patient and wait for that. Translation: in about five minutes, when nobody else has posted yet, I'mma spill everything I know. *Fwom fwomma fwomma fwom, fwom fwomma fwom, fwom fwomma fwomma fwomma fwom, fwom fwomma fwom* Imagine how the world would be, so very fine *Fwom fwomma fwom fwom fwoooooooooooooooooooom* I can't see me lovin' nobody but you! For all my life! *Fwomma fwomma* When you're with me, baby, those skies will be blue!

I understand that, but hopefully the intention reads. If I had more time to think about it and get other's inputs, then maybe, but I just don't feel secure potentially losing a Townie or wasting your action or risking them winning if it's a trap, etc... *Fwooooooooooooom*