Pandora

This really surprised me! I saw the first picture, and expected there to be another picture of a similar tropical island as the other bookend, but no: you went somewhere completely different with it. I was not expecting brick built books as part of the MOC, and the building facade as an entry to the fantasy land of fiction is a great idea and really does contrast, as you planned. I really like what you've done with the Friends flowers (I'm going to file that away ) and how you packed so much vegetation onto that small island, and the contrasting building facade - it's like an old, mysterious house, especially with the weeds in the front garden. The brick built books, though, are a real surprise for me. They're really nicely done with great variation between them. Thank you for sharing.

I've put as many high-res pics as I can find in the first post, with links to the album on EB Town's flickr. Looks like there's a whole bunch of printed 1x1 round tiles coming up.

Hugely deserved Congratulations to all the winners, and also to all the participants, as the standard of entries was very high. Also a massive thank you to WhiteFang for running this competition, and to DarkFang for sending out the prizes.

So sad about this Fangy, and we also have fond memories. I hope we'll all meet again.

Hello all, here is our lunch order: Rufus: 115 Pandora: Mushroom pizza - no meat (they did it two years ago as a pre-order, so it should be ok) rustyredwreck: 104 Tara: 111 Could we also order a pizza 112 for the kids to share between them? They don't need one each.

Yes, of course. If it is your own creation, but based off someone else's work, it would be nice to say whose work you've based yours off. We don't mind links to other websites, and the most important thing to us is that everyone who deserves credit is afforded that credit.

I keep an eye on things, and your comment amused me. If you want you can add it to this thread, too. Glad you like it. So the 2016 sets sound very party-oriented, and who doesn't love a party? I guess it makes sense that they'd celebrate the ongoing success of the line, though.

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Hi hoopoe, I have edited your post. Please refer to the Site Guidelines: Which is why I've taken the "Ideas" part out of your topic title. You may wish to add a little bit of information about the MOC (not about your ideas project, I've left the link in and that should be enough) to make the topic more appealing to other EB users who may wish to know more about your MOC. Best wishes.

You are correct, it was me. I thought you'd like it, and I was actually amused by the idea of you squeezing fangirls to see what noises you could produce from them.

Clearly I'll never trust you. And it isn't different. Glad you see it now. Unless I'm the vig, when I'd just kill you. Or the serial killer, and I thought it might be best to keep you alive and get rid of the other scum.

No that wasn't it, I knew you weren't scum when there was a day eleven. If you truly had been scum, then the game would have been over. Actually if the serial killer hadn't thought you were scum you would have been toast on night two. The only reason any of this is an issue (and it's not a big issue) is because of the need to clarify the rules. It made an already hard job even harder, because the host had changed something everyone could see. That hugely intensified my scrutiny, and I know I wasn't being scrutinised because of that alone, but if the rules had said "The Loyals need to eliminate all threats" from the outset, there wouldn't have been the same acute focus. It just drew even more attention to me. I had at least three good reasons for killing scum on night one, and I had TLC pegged as scum when I killed him. Oh heck, I'd have had to be awake (and available) at all hours of the day and night to do that! That really is scary. And in all seriousness you did a good job. Sadly for you, you had me convinced. Nope. You can see I watched Trumpetking that night to find the investigator. Turns out it was you! Thank you Danny, that's very cool and very gracious. Especially coming from someone who has a whole lot more experience playing a serial killer than I do! I knew I'd come up as scum if investigated as TPRU had said so in my night action result. I made a short attempt to argue that it wasn't a night action, but then I was shapeshifting; I thought I'd try but didn't expect to succeed. Anyway, after a bit of thought I shrugged to myself and figured it'd be easier to argue my way out of a scum investigation ('I was framed! ) than being investigated as neutral. That's not even remotely near what I said. There was no 'ooops' or blush. I said I thought he was scum, and a few other things. Again, I would have done the same, and reacted the same if I had been the vig. And yet it was an absolutely first-rate test for everyone else you suggested I kill.

You might have to narrow down who you're talking about.. If you'd killed me, the game would still be going on as (nearly) nobody would be dead. I take the fact that you guys wanted to kill me as a compliment, thank you. Yeah, I can see your point(s), but I had reasons. Not necessarily good ones. Thank you Nemo, that actually means a lot. And you too. Although you had me very confused when you suggested Danny might have claimed to me. Me. That's something I don't mind admitting to! I gave out a few titles this game. I actually believed your claim, seeing as it was part of my role too. I wasn't going to tell that to the town block, though, sorry. I could have even used it, maybe I would have had two additional actions, because I could have very accurately predicted which townie would die at night. Sadly, though, when I said I stayed home, I actually did. Apart from the last night, obviously. Or did I....? Having been there myself, my sympathies are with Corny. So... TinyPies, can I bring up the thorny issue of the rules 'clarification'? At the start of the game you (obviously) sent me my role PM, and with it my win condition: that I would win when I equalled or outnumbered each opposing side. I checked with you whether I could win with either side (albeit with only one other living player) and you said yes. When the rules were 'clarified' on day 7, it became evident that both town and scum needed to kill me to win, which went against my win condition (despite being told I could win with either side). We talked about it, but you didn't really clarify it that much more for me. You said my win condition was the same, despite it being at odds with both the town and the scum win conditions. When I pressed the point you.. didn't really give me an answer and I was kinda left in limbo. I know I made my own decisions, but a lot of my earlier decisions in the game were based on me being able to win alongside another faction (and I was aware from the beginning it would have to only be one of each and any other faction), so given the 'clarification', which in itself drew unpleasant focus on me, I was left with a game strategy I had been playing that no longer was valid. I don't want to detract from how awesome the game was, and I realise this may even sound like sour grapes, but it isn't. I'm still proud that I lasted until day eleven in a game where my killing role was outed on night one, but the rules 'clarification' caused me a lot of problems, and my win condition seemed... moveable. Sorry. I still think you're brilliant, TPRU.

The most important thing is for me to say is thank you to TinyPies. I hate commenting on anything about a game while it's ongoing, but your story, your MOCs, your photography (seriously, wow, your photography) and your sense of humour made this a fantastic game. The icing on the cake would have been to win, but the moment I got my role PM I pretty much thought "I'm ducked". To have lasted to day eleven, and to have fought to the end, well, I'm holding my head up. I'll miss Petrus, he's a character I truly love, and I didn't get as much chance to be the Byzantine Alchemist Pyromaniac as I could have, but Pyromaniac + guilty conscience as SK = bad play, so I left it out. Petrus had his moment of awesome fighting the fire giant, so that makes me happy; thank you. So, hello everyone, sorry for killing most of you. In fact sorry to everyone I killed (or got lynched). Danny, I really did think you were scum. My entire argument around killing you was, perversely, the truth. Sorry dude. Chromeknight, I'm sure it's a kick in the teeth that I killed you after we worked so hard together, and I'm really sorry. You played a great game, and for the record I never thought you were scum, even when people were voting for you. Thank you. Sorry. Great game from you too. A few other brief notes: well done to Tariqj and RangeroftheForest on playing pretty well in your first game. I think Tariq you managed to keep up with what was happening and argue well, and Ranger, never give up. It's pretty much the most important thing about mafia, and when you posted that you thought it wasn't for you I felt quite sad for you. You just have to fight, and keep fighting - it's a team game and if you don't fight you let down your team, and that's no good for anyone. I think you should give it another try at least, as some of the things you said were good. I thought you were town and might have even supported you if I hadn't been the SK but another body was just helpful for me. Same with Tariq. Also mediumsnowman; you were listed as a reserve and I constantly saw you reading the day threads, and that bodes very well for the future, because it shows you're a keen and interested player. I hope to see the three of you playing more in the future.

A weak case, sandwiched between you saying you think Dar's town. You could say that Danr said absolutely anything. If people don't respond to you you send them angry messages asking where the megabluck they've all gone, that's what you do. Unless you have a guilty conscience or fear you've been spotted as scum. Oh, and the thing to discuss would have been what we all thought Petr was doing to a very alive Toki. It strikes me as a crazy way to try to get the scum to target Agnar, by asking me, specifically me and only me, to make a case against her in the thread, so that you could defend her and blah blah.. when there are other and easier ways of doing that. That don't involve me randomly making a case against someone in the thread, that you later deny you asked me to because it was a crazy idea to begin with and there were clearly easier ways of doing it. Like I said, penultimate message to me was to say he was ready to lynch you, last message to me was to say he could see a play where you were bussing your team to solidify you as town. Because you worry there's a possibility that Agnar might see the truth of what I'm saying and vote for you with me. It wasn't reasoning, it was a firm stance that I 'clearly' killed Cranebeinn and in your second post you make a case against me. This isn't serial killer perspective at all, you're basically saying I'm being defensive when I'm defending myself against a lynch that will lose us the game. Yeah, saying you're town over and over doesn't seem to work. I should know, I've tried it a million times. In the unlikely event that Aganr is scum and you're town (and Pernilla starts flying), then our loss is entirely on you.

It was evident, from the paucity of posts in the 'town block' PM that something was amiss. You weren't being talked to anywhere near as much as you had been, so you realised you were suspected. The town didn't come up with a plan to 'not lynch' at all. The plan was to lynch you, but you wriggled your way out of it. You 'went insane' to lynch Petr, because the other lynch candidate was you. There's no way Petr could pull off what you're pulling off, so it had to be you that lived. And I don't think (despite his scumminess) that Toki had been converted to scum at that point. So there never were three scum and four town, and you couldn't have won at that point. The only thing you could do was convert Toki and buy yourself some time. You never were just one mislynch from victory, that (and you knowing you were suspected) is why you had to try to solidify you town persona. Cranebeinn was still ready to lynch you after you bussed your teammates. And you wouldn't be the worst scum ever, because here you still are, on the very cusp of winning. That's what it's all been about. Remembering that it's a team game, so as long as one scum survives and wins, it's a win for the rest. Nice that you're willing to consider I am actually the vig, as I keep saying. Would it be too much to hope you'd unvote me?

Because you said to me you thought we were and that you assumed you were out of the loop. Plus you could see us in PM, as the only time Cranebeinn and I were ever both around was when you were around. So are you arguing that Cranebeinn suspected you or not? You say I killed him because he would want to lynch me over you, but you try to claim he blocked you because he found you more of a threat than me. I don't think you were blocked at all, I think Cranebeinn logically blocked the only known killer - but as I've already said, I stayed home last night so I don't know for sure. You claiming to be blocked is your way of claiming that you couldn't possibly have murdered Cranebeinn because, y'know, you were blocked. Nobody knows what you said to Danr, so you could have told him you shat rainbows and we'd never know. But the very first post of day five is you saying that if you were wrong about Lodmund then you were 'wrong' about Dar, implying you thought he was town. I even brought it up at the time. Unfortunately for you Danr then reported to you that Dar had been investigated as scum, so you had to backtrack. In fact that was the day that Danr looked the most scummy. But you already knew by how the 'town block' PM had wound down that you were suspected. So that means you can't explain to me why you didn't just accuse her in the thread and have her defend herself; or accuse her and then suddenly backtrack like she just claimed to you? Except the penultimate message he sent me was that he was at the point where he was ready to lynch you, and the last message said he could see a play where you bussed your teammates to solidify your place in town. Especially, he mused, considering there was no-one left to convert. Nobody talked to you because everyone suspected you might be scum. Canute very clearly said he suggested lynching me on day eight to see how you reacted to him suggesting someone else. I'm not suggesting it, I'm telling you it's true. No Pudding. In the first two posts of today you said I 'clearly' killed Cranebeinn (when I know I didn't) and you launched a full-scale attack on me, with the clear intent to get me lynched. As you said yourself, if you were town you would have thought about things, considered other possibilities, but you didn't, you came straight at me. As I am faced with that, and not a reasonable discussion from you, the only logical conclusion I can draw is that you are scum trying to achieve that last push to win the game. You and Agnar cannot both be scum. You're trying to get me to change my vote to Agnar, and maybe then you'll suddenly come up with some crack-pot theory of why Agnar is the criminal mastermind behind all of this and vote for her. And then you win. Or maybe you won't, but Agnar might unvote me, so you get a no-lynch and you just kill me anyway (or redirect me onto Agnar, which would be easier). And then you win. The only way town can win is by voting for you. So I don't need to consider that at all.

Except you didn't. You had to report Danr's result, otherwise it would have been obvious you were scum. Reporting on Petr was to solidify you as 'town' when the entire town block was wondering if you were scum. My point is that she's not the last scum, you are. Nope, I killed her because I thought she was scum. And he was. Except you didn't do a very good job of saying so. You mentioned him very briefly and then completely redirected the conversation back onto the suspicion around Tarben. Funnily enough, 'since then' all the kills have been discussed with you and/or the town block. I made a mistake with Danr, and a mistake I could have denied, but I didn't. Yes I did make the case and start the vote on Jarl, and if I hadn't he probably wouldn't have been lynched. Plus, I'd been going after Mist since day one. And it's clear that I'm insisting you killed Cranebeinn because you started the day off saying that I 'clearly' killed him when I know I didn't. You are so sure about that that the only conclusion I can draw is that you're framing me. You and Agnar can't both be scum. And if we're going to talk about how right Canute or Cranebeinn were then we should discuss the fact that you knew they were suspicious of you. In fact Cranebeinn messaged me asking if I would be willing to vote for you and/or kill you because both he and Canute thought you were playing us false. It was quite obvious from the silence in our group PM that we weren't happy with you, which is why you acted first to reveal your supposed 'tracking result' on Petr. You bussed him to keep yourself in the game. Canute still wasn't convinced and so still went after you anyway. What was it that you did? Unvote someone who'd clearly claimed to you? If you'd kept your vote on Cranebeinn after he claimed to you, he would have started talking to someone else, and someone else, and it would have become very clear how scummy you are. The discrepancy is in you not actually giving a megabluck, which I told you at the time. Yet you were more than happy to tell Canute I was the vig, and tell both me and him that you were the tracker... And you thought I was a serial killer on day four (which is when you sent me the message)? After I'd killed Lambi, gone after Mist, led the vote on Jarl and killed Munud the close-tie for scummiest player in the game? Yet you're happy to trust me with so much other information. Then why do it like that at all?? Why not make your own case against Agnar, allow her to defend herself and then just agree with her? What was the risk? Or even make a case against her, vote for her even, and then suddenly unvote like you did with Cranebeinn? That would have been the biggest way to suggest she was a town power role. Except all of this is hokum, because you're scum, and you knew who the power roles were and kept them alive to suggest there wasn't a leak in the town block (a leak that Cranebeinn mentioned and you said he was scummy for even mentioning). In Ragnarök I, I was town, and got ducked over first by the scum and then lynched by the town. Yeah, sounds familiar. Except only half of you is town (not half of Pudding, half of the two of you). In Ragnarök I there was no serial killer. Trying to change tack and suggest I've been converted is just desperate. Everyone knows that if anyone were going to be converted then it would have been you in a heartbeat. But there was no need, because you're already scum. You just converted Toki instead as convenient lynch fodder. It's hard to call this an OMGUS when there are only three of us left. It's clear you are scum because of the way you started the day saying that I 'clearly' killed Cranebeinn when I know I didn't. Not for a second did you consider that it might have been Agnar, and yet you accuse me of not suspecting Agnar. This is why! I didn't kill Cranebeinn, and I'm pretty certain Cranebeinn would have been happy to lynch Agnar today. But then you spewed your lies, showed your true colours and I had to go after you or lose the game for the town. This after I point out how you're buttering up Agnar in all of your posts? And it's clear I don't need to think too hard about it when you say I 'clearly' killed Cranebeinn and launch an attack on me. Of course I need to get you lynched, because you're scum and because if I don't you'll block me and kill me, or redirect off yourself onto Agnar killing us both and you will win and we will lose. Oh, so now the argument isn't that I'm a serial killer, it's that I was the vig and got converted to scum??? How desperate are you? Yes, and you've chosen poorly. You can have a nice long chat with Tarben about his last trip to Belville. So we're both wrong? Because... neither of us did what you would have done, therefore I'm the serial killer? What you don't know, but which I have mentioned earlier in this post, is that the whole town block suspected Pudding of being scum. Like I say, to the point where Cranebeinn was messaging me privately to ask if I would be willing to vote for and/or kill Pudding (to which I answered yes and yes, for the record) and explaining to me that both he and Canute thought that Pudding was playing us false. So his 'attack' on Petr was a pre-emptive strike. Look back and notice how Cranebeinn points out that Petr should have voted for Pudding before saying anything else. In that usual way the scum have said "Oh but please don't think badly of Pudding as you lynch me". Remember how Dar was painted as absolute town by Pudding before Pudding had to reveal the investigation result? "Oh but it was a gambit" says Pudding. To what effect? Pudding claims he knew Dar was going to be investigated, but we only have his word for it, and yes I am aware that that is my fault. You're just not seeing it Agnar. But there weren't. Toki, despite being scummy, hadn't been converted at that point. And if Pudding had defended any of them and I'd gone off the reservation and killed one, he would have looked scummy as megabluck. Which he already does, but you're not seeing it. Yes and this has been festering for a long time despite there being no reason for the suspicions. And it's a convenient way to get me lynched in the endgame. There never was a plan to target you, so I don't know what you're talking about, but up until this morning he needed me around, and now he needs to lynch so.. here we are. Big up enough paranoia that I'm a serial killer and... hey look, it's working! It's clear that Pudding has a tracker ability? His team probably had a tracker plus or minus a shapeshifter and/or rolecop. With those roles it doesn't take much to pretend to be town tracker, and even if he were tracking, it doesn't preclude him from killing. I don't think you know me, Pudding, or the way that Pudding and I interact very well if that's what you think. You are also excluding your own ability to defend yourself. I know that Pudding knows how naturally suspicious I am of him (I've referred to this already - that he made a joke about it on day one), and it's probably fair to say he'd have an easier time of convincing you to vote with him than convincing me. Oh, ok. And why is that again? Which was what? The bit where he agreed with me? That I killed Danr because I thought he was scum and that Pudding was hiding a scummy team-mate? That bit that he said he could understand? What about it are you still not happy with? I ask seriously, because this is important, and this seems to be the entire crux of the game right now. Let me reiterate what I said earlier. The important point is not whether you think I'm a serial killer (but I'll say again, I'm not, I am the vig) but whether you are absolutely certain that Pudding is town. Beyond a shadow of a doubt. Remember that whatever you think of me, I cannot kill you, but he doesn't need to; he only has to achieve parity. So, are you willing to bet the whole game on your vote, or are you willing to at least consider that even if I can't convince you I'm not a serial killer (and I'll say it again, I'm not), there is a safer option?

Of course they do, but they don't kill scum night one and try to get scum lynched in the first couple of days for the reasons I outlined earlier. No, you just said you wanted a lynch and there were several people being voted for. I was the one who made the case against Jarl and started the vote. This is what it's like being in a PM conversation with you. It sounds a lot like insistence, after you'd said you understood. And the discrepancies so far are in what you've been saying. You have said both of these things, but not at the same time in an 'either, or'. You're just trying to find anything to fit your silly argument, even if you're contradicting yourself. And you didn't tell me that at the time because....? It's not like you don't talk much. And why didn't you get someone else to do it after I politely declined (and suggested you do just that)? Someone who maybe you'd given the reasons to? Agnar, if you ever show up, Pudding will probably spend all night trying to convince you to see things his way. I'm exhausted, and I'm going to have dinner, as one last form of defiance against the scum-Pudding. Read my posts, see the truth, think critically, remember it's Pudding, and then remember that the game rests on your decision.

You like that word then? And the logic is that I have considered everything that's been said and done over the course of the game, and I think you're scum and she's town. Ta dah. Yeah, that still doesn't seem to be working for me. And I think that Cranebeinn was killed by...wait for it...the other killer, which isn't me, but is most likely you. What evidence would you like? A tracking result? And I weighed my options and determined that it was more likely you are scum than Agnar. No, it was two pages after you mentioned Tammo had contacted you. Yes it was before that conversation, but there was yet another page in between. You're expecting me to be psychic, and sadly I'm not. As I said to a lot of the things you came up with: needlessly convoluted.

Which did she plan? Telling me she was suspicious of you, or you asking me to make a case against her? This insistence. Here. I keep saying I'm the vig, it doesn't seem to be working for me, but it's nice to see you starting to say it. You don't even need to bother. Either they tell you what they're doing, or if you're not sure you can track them to maintain your cover. If you shapeshifted me you'd assume I killed Lambi (and you'd know I was town) and you'd also see that Lambi would be a poor choice for a serial killer, so it would be easy to assume I was the vig and that I killed Lambi. A little bit of careful questioning ("So what do you think happened last night Petrus?") and it all becomes clear to you. Same with the shapeshifter role.

Well you seemed pretty certain first thing this morning. I wouldn't expect you to say you're scum. Although you do like oinking. I don't believe there is one because there have never been more than two kills in a night. I don't think it's hard to see why I don't think there's a serial killer. That's not suspicious. Geez, I even made a joke about the fact you needed me to say it out loud, like I was saying 'I love you' or something. I just thought it was megablocking obvious, apparently not. No, the assumption for any normal person who tracks someone killing scum on night one is that they're the vig. Later, when I call out Mist, and lead the vote on Jarl (who you defended against Cranebeinn), it should be blatantly obvious I'm the vig. If you're still wondering on day four, because I haven't said those four little words, then you're just not reading my posts in the thread (or PMs for that matter). And I keep saying, this is such a weak argument, because you never said "I'm the town tracker". Uh huh, but serial killers tend to target town early on, and not night kill scum or get scum lynched, because they don't want to be left with a load of dead scum and a bunch of townies. But I've been after scum from night one. Just like a vig. Yup, you had me killing who you wanted anyway, and you could direct the lynch, so after Tarben died there wasn't much need until last night when it was convenient to kill Cranebeinn and frame me. You kept me around to continue the night kills that you guided us towards, and just in case things got sticky and you needed another kill yourself (or yourselves, as was the case a few nights ago). Like I said, it's irrelevant anyway, because either way you weren't blocked. It's far more likely Cranebeinn blocked me and not you. Except you're trying to convince us that he blocked you. And you were ever so uppity about the fact that Crane and I were talking 'without you'. That's probably the only thing we're going to agree on.

That doesn't even make any sense. I have considered the possibility that you're town and Agnar is scum, but on the evidence I have I think that you're scum and she's town. You can't both be scum, otherwise you would have already won and I'd be dead. It was Agnar herself who messaged me about three million years ago suspecting you were scum, and I responded in kind. It was you who asked me, for no clear reason (you just said that there was a reason), to make a case against Agnar several days ago, and I declined because i didn't see much to make a case about. Why would you have asked me to do that? Which is megablocks, because you never trust 'way too easily', Mr 'Verify, verify, verify'. Uh huh, I told you I thought he was scummy, and it seemed to me like you just ignored that. "Yeah, you can kill any of those four, or not kill, or whatever." Yup. Uh huh, but I told you I thought Danr was scum, I suggested you track him, I called him out in the thread, and you said... nothing. So I thought he was a scum mate you were hiding, so I killed him. You literally just said you understood all of this. We discussed everyone, and I actually wondered if Canute (who's Pie? ) might have been the investigator at that point. There is no way in this world or the next I could have known Danr was the investigator, and your insistence now, after saying you understood my actions, is just plain scummy. Well I'm pretty certain my vote is in the right place. So... your argument about whether or not I stayed home those nights (and I did) is invalidated because there's previously been a compulsive vig. I don't care, I stayed home. I didn't kill Cranebeinn, and the only logical explanation is that you did. No it isn't and wasn't possible to 'figure Danr out'. You're just making stuff up now. You told me that Tammo had contacted you to tell you that the investigator had 'cleared' you both (redirector, was it?) and then two pages later after discussing how much you trusted Pie - how you trusted him the most beside me, and how he was more trustworthy than.. Dar, Kaupmad and Lodmund (who I said weren't exactly yardsticks for trustworthiness), and how you thought I should kill Lauga or Ragnvald, except not really because you were 'rambling', and how you 'always knew I wasn't scum' and yes the whole weird number thing (was it 5, or 11 or 16?), to try to somehow direct a scummy Canute to the bomb if you died and I thought Canute was scum (except I pointed out that if I thought Canute was scum I'd just kill him) and blah, blah, two pages later you mention considering tracking Danr, and from that I'm supposed to intuit that Danr's the investigator, who hadn't even contacted you or claimed to you or been mentioned by name to you at that point as far as I knew.