Pandora

Could you expand on this? Maybe explain what you mean by it? And, you know, if you have any other thoughts about what's going on around you, it'd be quite nice to hear them. Today, maybe. You know she's gone, right? Thank you for at least looking at other players a little bit, if only two of them. You seem happy enough to play without me. Maybe you were right and the three of us couldn't be on the same team because Forg is scum? Crazy and paranoid perhaps, but why aren't you paranoid about this? He casts the first vote against Mom, not expecting an actual lynch, but hey if it did happen then no scum would ever start a vote against their teammate. Not seen Bev around much, maybe she had stuff to do? Maybe I'm wrong about Picard, maybe I'm wrong about Forg, maybe I'm wrong about you. Maybe you're setting up Data for tomorrow's lynch. Where's your usual in depth analysis of everything? You say we have so much to discuss, crack on! What would you like to discuss? You could start with a simple exercise of stating why you think I'm scum. I think you're voting for me because, hey it has to be someone otherwise the scum will kill Forg, and we'll need to know what Wesley is at some point because..., and there were some reasons but.. yeah, reasons. Die scum! Would it help if you got drunk again? No, not if Deanna's suggesting it might be you. Anyway, who needs a night kill when you can just lynch a townie? Well, when you put it like that: Vote: Extend the day So change your mind already! No, but you do have the benefit of common sense and brains, so if you could just start using them, that would be great, thank you. Could you please, please, as I have asked you before and as I have just asked Deanna, write down the reasons why you think I'm scum? Please? Right now it sounds more like "I'm voting for Wesley so I don't get killed at night, because considering other options and actually listening to what he's saying is hard" and that's the generous version. The other version is that you're scum and you don't give a shit because it's just another townie lynch. How will this go over when I show up town tomorrow? You have pursued me relentlessly, after all. There seems to be some weird logical fallacy going on. That there is some sort of idiotic either/or with me and Geordi. Because Geordi was town, I must therefore be scum, apparently. It is the most ridiculous reason to vote me out, but I'm not even sure if that is the reason, because nobody will actually lay out a proper case. Please remember that I have a good track history of being just plain wrong. I am town, and all but two of you (because I don't think Riker is scum, but hey, I could be wrong, again) are making a stupid mistake.

Now you're actually talking. Not really saying much, but words appear to be coming out of your mouth. I didn't say it did. I was WTFing your comment about me having a split personality. Anyone who knows me, which is exactly everyone here, will recognise one cohesive personality, albeit held together with sticky tape, fine Italian white wine and hope. As is common for teenaged boys. I have normal writing styles for me. I don't think this is scummy. You really are clutching at straws here. This is a reason to vote me off?? Seriously?? I naturally have sympathy for those with busy lives, but what tends to happen is that people either metamorphose into a new version of themself, or they reappear with insights they haven't had time to share. Interestingly Commander Riker did both of these things and the second one twice. You basically just stopped by to say you don't have time for this, ditto to... something somebody said and that I have some form of schizophrenia. Lazy, lazy, lazy. "Here's somebody else's old post about why they suspected you, which may or may not be valid or still relevant, but y'know, it'll do" I've answered a whole load of stuff already, so lay it out for me Captain, why am I scummy? You're being hyper-sensitive again, given that you barely responded in the first place. When you've spent as much time as I have defending yourself you can claim that anything you said might be taken as scummy, but really this is a ridiculous thing to say. You practically didn't even start responding to us. I've not even edited it down. You are full of poo. You are giving second hand evidence here essentially. I answered Forg's post (and only a small portion of that post was about me). You can't speak to his opinion of that; it is possible that he might see the light and realise I'm telling the truth. And really, if you're going to try to sentence someone to death you need to do better than "wot he said the other day, that'll do for why." Those "reasons" have been answered. Your vote was bang in the middle - remember this is a small game. Somewhere between hoping it won't happen, but not hammering if it does. I'm not even sure the voting pattern exonerates Deanna or Forg, but they haven't otherwise been scummy (aside maybe from Forg's tiresome and tireless pursuit of me, perhaps.) Remember when you voted for Bev? When you said "because she's acting scummy"? In-depth analysis there, for sure. Don't want to put too fine a point on why you're voting, in case other people agree with you, but also just agree with some other people so they won't look at you. You are better than that, and it is bollocks. You are capable of reasoning.

Urgh. I really hoped that was it. Maybe you were wrong and you're the one fucking this up? I think you are, and you are, but you're the one who'll have to deal with your conscience and the consequences. For the record, I care. I can't fight smoke. What is it that you're still not happy about? Why is it Geordi or me and no other possibility? You want to sit back and think you have it sorted like I did with Geordi yesterday? Then you're going to be very upset when you're back here for day 4, with another townie down and not even my presence to delight, inform and entertain. So, do me a favour please and tell me exactly why you think I am scum, so I can at least try to help. You too Data. No laziness, tell me why you think I must be the scum and not somebody else. You at least are looking at another possibility. This crossed my mind as well. If Riker were scum and wasn't going to show (and in that Scenario Bev might have had more info) then Bev could have gained brownie points, but Riker's reaction when he first posted makes me think this is less likely. Riker was also where the Geordi lynch started (day one), instead of voting for Bev, but I actually see that as quite open and honest. I don't think it's Riker. What? What split personality? At least I have a personality, this is the ONLY thing you said yesterday: The ONLY thing. You're taking flying under the radar to an all new low (geddit?) The reasons I backed off on you were because 1) I thought Geordi was a better lynch and 2) I listened to Deanna say she felt better about your massive over-reaction, and now we know Deanna clearly isn't thinking straight, so I'm right back to looking at you again just like I was on day one. Even if I do end up going today, I want you gone tomorrow. You need to do a whole lot better than just swing by, vote and bugger off. You need to put down your actual reasons for voting for me. Proper reasons, and not things I haven't already answered. If you don't like my answers, then say so and point out exactly why. This goes for all of you. I am town, I am fighting. If you lynch me you will see I am town and this is all on you. You will not be able to say I didn't try hard enough. You're not trying hard enough by only looking at me. Vote: Captain Picard (Kristel) I gave my reasons, and I can also refer to the reasons from day one because you still haven't bloody answered them.

Well, at least it'll be a comedy. I guess. Forg you are delightful yet exhausting. I had no intention of steering anything anywhere, as I have stated multiple times; I was doing what I always do which was voting the way I thought best at the time. If you really think it's not over and we'll be back here tomorrow, have you spent much/any time considering other candidates as the remaining scum, or is it me or no-one? Do you... do you think that hasn't happened enough today?

Short answer: no, it's not, but I now realise what you mean. Long answer, because I don't vomit my thoughts onto the keyboard as I think them and I can just see I'm going to have to explain this, just like everything else so I may as well do it now: Scene: Interior, USS Enterprise bridge. Ensign Crusher is at the helm, Counsellor Troi is trying to order coffee Deanna the Harlot: [Wheels round to glare at poor Wesley] You're acting! I just knew it! You're scum! Wesley the Brave Townie: What? No! The scum get what now? Oh hang on, something is triggering a vague recollection..... Deanna the Harlot: Actooooooor! Scuuuuuuuum! Wesley the Brave Townie: I looked at the rules and I still don't get what you mean because there's nothing there, maybe Bob said something... Deanna the Harlot: Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Die evil scum, after you've bought some of my essential oils and made my coffee Wesley the Brave Townie: Oh yes, it was when he was talking about the last game.... Deanna the Harlot: I demand to speak to your manager and you are gonna have to give me my coffee exactly how I want it for FREE and then you will lose your job you worthless piece of shit, how dare you swear in front of my precious darling, now give him that Nintendo switch you're playing! Wesley the Brave Townie: That last game... that I didn't play. But it was a thing then. Ok, so it's all just a misunderstanding and I missed something. I mean, I'd probably have known about that if I were scum..... Oooooh, that's what you meant when you accused me of acting, I see, and I didn't pick up you meant that night kill, my bad. Well, how on Earth can I find a way to express to you that I didn't realise what you meant... Hmmmm Deanna the Harlot: [Head explodes] Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! FIN I think that just about covers it?

I don't know how else I can explain this than the way I already have: I know how these games work, so when saying I thought I had a better candidate for my vote I knew how it would be seen at the time - that I was defending Mom. It is ironic that it actually looks worse now. I'm sure Mom is suitably amused by all this. And I couldn't completely believe she was town, because to do so would mean I was actually scum and she actually was town (spoiler: she's not) to be so sure. You're right, because I went back and checked. What also done her in (so to speak) was also the fact that she voted for Riker. She voted for Riker at the point when Geordi had two votes against him. It was in that bit you said with Mom's quote in it that made you want to vote for her. That bit where she's trying to divert attention from her scum chum Geordi? You know, that bit? You've accused me of doing what Mom actually did. I wasn't trying to steer anything, I was just going my own way, like I usually do. I think I should be pleased that you think me so devious. Alas, I am not. At least not this time. I'm pretty sure I could have bussed Bev convincingly if I'd had to, but your arguments with me are so many layers of hypothetical down that I shudder to think what your hypothetical argument against that will be. Yay! Boooooooooo! I think that's a little unfair. I proposed a better candidate for my vote than what I perceived as a bad lynch. It's not my fault Mom was scum. This is like saying no townie ever should ever air any positive thoughts about another player in case said player ends up dead and scum. At the risk of destabilising your sanity and your vote for Geordi and thus getting myself into more hot water, I actually don't think your ego is your greatest motivator, but now isn't the time for me to give you a therapy session, Counsellor. I have to show Geordi how to realign the dilithium crystals and I've taken over Mom's medical practice and I have a small case of brain surgery later. At the time that I voted for Picard only you and Forg had voted for Mom and although I love you and Forg in ways only a teenaged human boy can love an adult female Betazoid and adult male Klingon, it is a little tiny bit much to think that the two of you wield such power that with the two of you voting for Mom, Mom's lynch would have been a foregone conclusion. Maybe your ego will actually be my downfall? What night kill? There wasn't a night kill, and there are no night actions. If there are night kills, and I don't believe there are, there's absolutely no reason why one wouldn't have happened last night as there are no night actions. It was a short night, so even allowing for incompetence and forgetfulness (not my usual traits, I'd like to point out) there's no reason for one not to have happened if there were a thing. So they're most probably not a thing. I like sober Deanna best.

The more I hear you speak, LaForge, the scummier you sound. Why does the lack of night kills have any bearing on this? Is it because as scum you can't kill at night, so you were looking for what you thought was an easy town lynch? It makes no difference, if you're town, whether there's a night kill or not when you vote to eliminate scum in a game with no other night actions. It was very much you and Mom who were so concerned that Riker would be killed, not replaced, if he didn't speak up. What happened before Riker said hello that assuaged your fear that he would be killed for not speaking (not fear that he was town/scum) and would in fact be somehow magically replaced? We're straying into metagaming, but hey I didn't start this - even Bob said he had difficulty finding a replacement, what made you so confident it would all be ok to switch your vote before Riker piped up? It looks much more likely that you were, as Forg suggested, just bussing the bus there. Surely no night kills is a good thing? What has it even got to do with this? This game is stacked to the rafters with metagame. These games always are. You don't think that scummy scumster Beverly would be that open with her affiliation? I agree that she wouldn't be that open with a genuine association. We know she's scum, so we can stop hypothesising about third parties that we know don't exist anyhow. The important bit in all of this - how am I acting scummy? Not yesterday, we're covering all of that to pieces, but today. Hit me with my scummy behaviour today. No, you don't, that's why some of us are asking questions. You know I'll show up town, so you want a get out clause. You can "aw shucks, it was too easy, right?" tomorrow. If we vote you out, you want us to go after who was pursuing either you or me the hardest tomorrow? But you think I'm scum, don't you? Shouldn't we be voting me out tomorrow? I mean, I'm pursuing you pretty hard right now, but you don't even have the courage of conviction of today's vote to have me voted out tomorrow? Unvote me then! Vote for someone else! I hate to say this, because it doesn't help me, but actually it's as statistically likely as any other combination of players (now assuming one of that combo is Bev, given that we know she's scum). Also, fun fact, we're "randomised" by the order we signed up, so if I'd signed up earlier I wouldn't have had to be Wesley! That's cool, but when you're finished not freaking out, can we circle back round to the fact that it sounds Scummy please? You are quite skilled at replying to bits of arguments with one liners that look at first glance to be ...relatively ok, but in destroying the chain of the argument you hide the fact that you're talking bollocks. I am going to be incredibly annoyed to be lynched as a townie against this scumfest, when we could just lynch him today and all go home for tea (and I could be alive and win).

Haha, you can call it stupid if you want. I didn't defend her, and I said that at the time. I said I was more accusing Deanna of metagaming than defending Mom, and it was Mom who said I was. I didn't think anything of it because I thought she was town and was just roleplaying. I thought we were lynching the wrong person and wanted to say so. I've said things like it before, quite recently in fact, but that panned out a lot better. I thought you were misled, that's why. I fully agree that it's hard to build a case against anyone, but I had what I thought was a much better prospect for lynching at the time, and I thought Mom was being lynched over silly, superficial stuff. If I hadn't had a case of my own, then yeah it would have been much weirder. Well... yes. Kinda exactly. I can only keep repeating that I genuinely thought she was town being lynched for the wrong reasons. I love you for using scum chum. But if Mom had been my scum chum I would really hope I'd have been a lot more subtle about all of this. To metagame myself, I would hope I would be more devious, but that may be pride and arrogance talking. I would also think that someone like Mom wouldn't be so obvious as to claim a mother and son scum combo in the day thread if it were actually true. I disagree that townie me should have pushed to lynch Mom straight away, partly because townie me didn't, and partly because that would have been a massive over-reaction to someone I thought was town. The perceived connection only bothers me now that I know she's scum. If I saw she was being lynched and I was scum I would have worked harder to distance myself from her yesterday and, yes, probably voted to lynch her.

Fundamentally, I'm glad you didn't unvote Mom. We got a scum and a bunch of info to go with it. I'm sorry that a lot of time will be spent wasted on me. I will happily go over anything you want to, but you're just focusing on me right now, you need to have a plan for tomorrow. We play this game because it's fun. Sometimes.

Oh yes, Vote extend the day.

Well I'm having a remarkably mixed reaction to this morning's news. I mean, yay we got a scum! But shucks man, she was my Mom, and I can exactly see that I am extremely likely to be today's lynch candidate. It sucks, but that's the way it goes, there won't be any night actions results to clear me or indicate a better lynch. I have the advantage of knowing I'm town, so let's try to spend the day finding out who the other scum really is and not only focus on me. Well, I was thinking about that after I saw Forg posted the same question yesterday - it was after the day had ended so I couldn't respond. It was a lot of what you said, but it was more that I was worried that attention would swing on to me in a "why are you defending her? do you know something we don't? You must be scum to be so sure she's town, let's lynch you instead" kinda way. I really thought that Mom was being lynched for the wrong reasons, but clearly she was actually scum. When I accused you of metagaming I was accusing you not defending her, and I said as much. Mom very kindly spun it as me defending her, though. A nice little touch, but perhaps a little too obvious to do with a scum chum (I petition for them to be renamed as such). Maybe because I'm a sarcastic cynic that's why I thought I saw that, and oddly I thought our senses of humour align somewhat. It's possible I gifted her that response, but if I did, it would have been easier to do on a scumboard than out in public. As will I if you don't mind, it's a great name. Yeah, fair enough. I think I've responded to your issue with me in my response to Deanna. Ask away if there's anything else. So I'm going to look at everyone else in light of Mom's dirty little secret. I don't think Forg or Deanna are scum because of their voting response to Mom. I think Riker is likely town as Mom wanted to vote him out. As did Geordi, which puts Geordi high on my scum list, and he seemed to very reluctantly hammer, as if he knew he had to but didn't want to, and also seeming to have similar thought processes as each other yesterday. Picard I feel slightly better about in light of Mom's revelation, and also with the retrospect of Counsellor Troi so less likely to be scum, leaving Data, who voted for Mom so incredibly scummily, and didn't really say very much otherwise. My money would be on Geordi, though. Can we vote? I would Vote: Geordi LaForge (KotZ) if we can.

Yeah rephrasing and rewriting history. You said you had pretty much no reason to vote for Geordi, but if only you could have voted for Deanna, for something she didn't even accuse you of, because OMGUS. You did not feel at all strongly about voting for Geordi and you said you would have LOVEd to have voted for Deanna. And your reason for wanting to vote for Deanna was because in the most convoluted and opaque way possible you think she might have accused you of being scum. You, captain, are talking out of your bottom. You voted for Geordi because Deanna had, and it was a) a shot at a band wagon and b) a way to keep Deanna on side. This makes Deanna look more town to me, and I like her better now she's sober. I think your partner in crime is Data. He's said virtually nothing except join the new band wagon for Mom. So much for his amazing android brain. Oh dear, snigger, I'm being a dick and voting someone out for little to no reason because I'm scum. I have no love for Mom outside of the usual Son/Mom relationship for the sake of roleplaying, and if I think she's sided with Q I'll push her out the airlock myself. Right now I think everyone is over-reacting to some sarcastic comments Mom made, and some role playing too. It's a band wagon with poor reasoning, and I'm not getting on. This'll get spun into "Wesley and Beverly are scum buddies" but I don't care. There's no third party, there are no night actions, there's nothing to be disingenuous about, no reason to hide my true thoughts.

You admit you don't have much to go on, and then say you'd LOVE to vote for someone else (we'll get to the hazy logic around why later) - so why not just vote for the person you'd LOVE to vote for and maybe not vote for the exact person they're voting for? Plus, you'll never replace my real father! Oh well this is going to be great. Only you're allowed to vote for a different person? Of course I'm not saying who you can and can't vote for, but it's a bit rich to complain about everyone else. Only two votes were cast as "alarm clocks", so you really don't need to get your knickers in a twist and act superior over it. This I agree with. Remember that it rhymes with hat. You're probably gonna have to use the a bit more Mom. Ok, so it wasn't just Geordi who thought that. I love you Mom, but I wasn't defending you, it was more a reaction to Deanna. Please don't kill me Mom, I'll tidy my room! So the Klingon got it? Oh, never mind. Back to you Captain. That's quite a reaction to a mere suggestion of scumminess. You said you'd LOVE to vote for her for this. I added the emphasis. Given I was the one who posted that I thought differently to Geordie on the day extension, I read this as you suggesting that I was scum. Not sure why you are asking me if Geordie voted for you? You know he didn't. This is such a weak, weak reason to say he's suggesting you might be scum. You'd have to be ridiculously hyper-sensitive for this to even register, and for this to go so far as to almost generate an OMGUS vote is utterly crazy. Too much, Captain, so I will: Unvote: Worf (Fugazi) and Vote: Captain Jean-Luc Picard (Kristel)

Yeah, I'd like to know this too. I suspect majority, but with compulsory voting it could go either way. Metagaming much? You're basically saying six out of eight people are suspect? Way to narrow it down. Mom and Commander Data don't have any votes yet, and you said yourself you're only leaving your vote on Mr LaForge because you'll be drunk later, so you could change it and start the ball rolling if you don't like how the votes are spread. I mean, why keep your vote on Mr LaForge, the one person you literally just said might be the exception to your suspicion? Especially if you're worried about trying to obscure voting patterns prior to a night kill?

I'm awake Mr LaForge, you know how us teenagers like to sleep in. Do you think you could reconfigure your visor to pick up some of Q's subspace signals on the scummy crew members? Assuming you wouldn't lie to us, of course. Well, they probably have somewhere to chat, and after they've discussed what they think of each other's hair and what they might have for breakfast, they might discuss strategies to focus attention on certain players. Like how it might be interesting to get quiet people chucked out, or who they're going to OMGUS or whatever. I dunno, I'm not supposed to come up with the Deus Ex Machina solution until the very end and we've only just started. Oh thank goodness it won't just be me that nobody likes anymore! I'm gonna Vote: Lieutenant Worf (Fugazi) because nobody likes him. And he said he didn't like this game. I also vote to extend the day, seeing as we know that we can do this every day and I've missed a bunch of it.

Hi everybody! Hey, hi, hey! I'm Wesley Crusher and I'm sooooo excited to be here, it's going to be awesome, travelling through space with my Mom! Hey Mom! I love you Mom! We can get rid of these stupid Qtists together can't we Mom?! Mom???

Sounds great. Hopefully I’ll live long and prosper in this game... aha ha ha I’m so very sorry, I just had to.

Thank you for the offer, but Rufus and I come with a couple of LEGO-mad Pandruflets, so we will find a room for ourselves, assuming we are able to make it. Thank you for the offer, and the reminder, though.

In retrospect it was kind of hilarious you asking me to make the investigation result public. I mean, it was luck good or bad that I had already given an invention to the very scum you'd investigated, and it took me a while to work out how genuine you were. My first suggestion - that you get Eeyara to report it - well, you'd already done that, and nothing had happened. Your frustration in each message was palpable, but I was screaming at my screen "I don't want to do it cos I'm the damned inventor and it looks like I've just given an invention to scum and if they now think I'm in contact with the bloody investigator as well, then I'll be deader than a dead thing from deadsville!" And I didn't want to claim to you because you really could have been playing me, there was too much coincidence, and your replies were notably astute. Which made for a fabulous foundation for trust and cooperation throughout the game! CMP had basically asked me "why are you giving me this, don't you think I might be scum?" after I told him I gave him the tracker, to which I had essentially said "so what? It's a one shot tracking action, and it'll make something happen and you seem town to me right now". I didn't really get keen, cooperative townie vibes after he told me he tracked Chromeknight, so I'm not convinced he would have been part of the town block if he hadn't been investigated. Our conversation had stalled way before that all happened. That's not to say you didn't play well CMP, please don't misunderstand me, as I clearly think you did because I gave you an invention! I agree with your view on the scrolls, but there really wasn't all that much going on behind the scenes. I believe very strongly that no amount of night actions make up for strong minded, inquisitive, tenacious and diligent vanilla townies. If such a townie is up for a lynch then it is part of their role to strongly stand up and defend themself. Sitting back is, as far as I'm concerned, utter bullshit, and I would go so far as to say that if you'll only play the game if you have an interesting role then you shouldn't be playing the game at all. The town block was a bit of a mix of paranoia, mistrust and bad timings, and we were actually quite lucky, but at least we tried. It is frustrating to be on the outside, I know, but there wasn't much of an "inside". I spoke mostly to Foog, only because he tried to make me go public with the investigation result, and had very little conversation with anyone else. I knew he was talking to a few other people, who constituted "the loop" which is why I was so confused with Chromeknight wanting to bring me into a loop that I knew didn't really exist but that he wasn't in if it had. Everything I did as an inventor I would have done as a vanilla. Except the night actions, obvs. I also really don't like the idea of not lynching. It is fruitless and only helps the scum. I get the concerns about numbers and so on, but every game should be balanced no matter the numbers. If Hinck had created a game that fell apart because we lynched a townie on day one, it's his blood we'd be after. As I've already said, anyone playing the game should be up for making a robust defence for themself if they're up for a lynch, so "accidentally lynching power roles" doesn't cut it for me either. I don't want to come across as harsh, as there's a lot of stuff we do agree on, but you've hit upon points about which I feel strongly.

I did. There was no way I was going to send it to you, because at that point I knew who you were and didn't trust you to work with us at all. I was actually researching ways to get rid of you. My scroll would have allowed you to talk to a dead player and see their night action results (if any). Foog and I had already pretty much figured he/she, Marwyyn and I were the town PRs, so the only people you could have talked to would have been scum (CMP), and that was not going to happen. I actually think Hinck thought I'd lost my mind, as I was asking if you could use a scroll on yourself (and I was thinking about the unlynch scroll I knew you had but I didn't want to outright say it) but Hinck seemed to think I was talking about my scroll, which would understandably sound crazy. I was trying to make sure you couldn't unlynch yourself, which you couldn't, but then Zandder went and deliberately gave himself a penalty to save you, because you could unlynch him. Foog and I had a good chat about how highly "specced" the scum team would be. I think you had a sound strategy to keep it simple, and keep us weak. Also, I hope you'll notice that after you mentioned it, I actually did start spelling your name right.

I'm not on a plane! I've just been busy, sorry for the late reply. Fantastic game Hinck, just gorgeous. Love the set, love the characters, love the writing and humour and love the setup. Mostly. Also, thank you for being willing to host and for all the hard work that goes into it. I know you feel you should apologise, but lies are pretty much part and parcel of playing these games, so don't sweat it, you played really well! Oh man, you also played really well. I know you don't think you were being scummy, and I actually did believe at the time that Cadd really did tell you to check with the investigator (it seemed like something he'd do at that point), but please remember that when someone says they see you as scummy it's not in isolation. There's always context based on views and representations of other people, and also a summative view of what you've said and done yourself. It's not the only thing I said you were scummy for, but I get it, because I've felt wrongly accused of being scum even when I was scum! You played well dude, focus on that. This exactly. Well said da Foog. Wow Hinck, thanks for a great game, you kept us on our toes right till the end and the whole setup was beautiful! I can't wait to hear about what happened behind the scenes, but I have enjoyed playing, it was stressful at times but I don't regret one minute of it! I really liked the traveller role (yay for two Ls again!) but it seemed very OP to me; it felt like almost putting the destiny of the game in one role's hands. Having to achieve parity is also basically the scum's win condition, so in some ways the role acts as an extra scum role which is also incredibly powerful, with the town armed only with an inventor, a cop and a doctor. I don't want me saying this to detract from the fact that I think scum did really well, as did Kristel too, and I also really loved the game. I'm just offering the feedback you said was welcome. Special shout out to @Tariq j - the night you died I very nearly sent you an invention because you came across strongly as town (I see they thought you were the investigator). I sent it to Foog for a variety of reasons, but I really like the inventor role as it gives non-power roles more of the action. It's not a strong role, though, as there is a delay and you have to make sure you don't give an invention to scum, too..... Nice one, @CMP! Good game, everyone.

We hope to be able to come, but we can't say for definite yet. We're working on it.

Hey 1. No not really, but I will find time, somehow. 2. I have thalassophobia; I don't like underwater much. Finding Dory is good, mostly because of Hank the octopus. He would be my spirit animal, if I believed in that kind of bollocks. 3. Do you know what a rhetorical question is? What Da Foog??

You won't see this because you've made more than 10 posts now, but thank you for spotting this; I have edited it.

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/lego-masters There have been two series in the UK, and Nate (one of the two series 1 winners) was even in Billund at the Event (with YOU! ) in 2018, along with JanetVanD and son, who also progressed pretty far in the first series (IIRC). So you have even met people who've been in it and won it!