Shadows

I've considered it, but the 3rd could have also been the framer after me. How do I know there's a framer? I don't, but it makes sense based on information I've gathered, and if there is one, it's likely to be Wicwa. Still... ... Michael and I have both asked who it was you had decided to kill and I don't recall an answer. If you did answer, I missed it in all of the fighting back there. Given that I can't see where we had a good infected target last night, it keeps coming back to looking like you're infected and were after any of the rest of us. Admittedly, this whole thing is far too confusing. Barney may or may not be an investigator at all, and if he is, his results have been incorrect so far, and if he isn't, he's infected. Michael seems uninfected to me since I can't understand why either of us would kill ourselves over the death of the other unless we were both uninfected. We have a lot of silent crew who aren't helping the situation any. We know that you're one of the killers and that should guarantee that you die tonight, since either side would be stupid to let you live. By the same logic, Michael or I should be targeted by the infected in hopes of taking us both out. Even if he's uninfected, they won't go after Barney, he's causing confusion with his bad results and that can only help them. Given all of that, do you want to put out a theory while you still can? I've done it, figuring this could easily be the end for me and your future isn't looking much brighter realistically. In the end, all I know is that I'm not infected and we're not getting anywhere except closer to a black hole.

YAY! *runs off to read*

A big comfy chair and video game console banner. With a bowl of snacks. You can have a drink, I'll just take tea, thanks.

I'm not that fond of and think that one of these should go, probably the first one ... I'd also like to see added permanently. Maybe we should have a contest like they did in pirates? People can make their own in the same style as the existing ones and then we add the good ones. Not only will we get some new ones, but people who want impossible things earn the valuable experience of having tried to make them and failed. It's a free life lesson.

At least a few people are starting to think about the situation instead of blindly following like we were. If nothing else was gained today, we have that. I'm not going to respond post by post because they're full of lies and misdirections designed to later be used to howl that I'm mean or try to further twist what I say, plus I'm tired of being accused to talking too much when I'm replying to a small group ganging up against me. All I will say on that matter is take the time to review their claims. When they say I did this or that because of something else, see which happened first, because they're lying about the order of events, a sure sign of guilt. As my final summary: the security cameras show what happened last night and my first post was directed specifically at that. I laid out the case for La'h'Rok and at that time, no one had any other proposals out. There had been no stated desire to investigate me, and there was no reason to. It was only after it became obvious that La'h'Rok is infected that I was attacked and Engofi was targeted as a distraction. For all I know, he could be infected, but given the situation, I believe our supposed investigator is either infected, insane or deceived. His results with Sarah prove that much. Despite that, I am not avoiding investigation, as a matter of fact, my idea leaves me wide open to it tonight, it just kills the likely infected killer first so I don't have to block him again and can try to find another infected to reveal. During that time, I can be investigated, I will not block the supposed investigator, even if I don't trust his results after the needless death of Sarah. Carefully consider your decision, that's all I ask. And yes, since it was directly asked and it might be my last chance to state it openly, I do believe that Barney, La'h'Rok and Wicwa are all infected. I believe that Michael was being tricked and is uninfected (and maybe starting to see the light, just a little). I don't honestly believe I would be in love with scum. I certainly hope not.

To try to show us that we were wrong. From what we've seen, the wieners aren't surgically implanted, if we had considered that yesterday, she might be alive now. Of course we only had her word on it, but it certainly looks more obvious in hindsight. A reasonable request for once. So does that make both of us idiots, or are you finally seeing the light, moron? If you can't get past the insults, you're not focusing on the right problem. Plus you usually like being treated that way... Blah blah blah, you mostly agree with me, so maybe it is a stupid mouth, or maybe you should just swallow your pride and admit you've been played by Barney and La'h'Rok. Otherwise, let's Romeo and Juliet ourselves, that'll be a good ending for two starcrossed lovers who hate each other. I didn't trust Barney from the beginning and only went with his information about Sarah because of you. I wanted to think that I had somehow been wrong. I wasn't. I've never had any reason to trust La'h'Rok and now have every reason to distrust him. I'm wavering on you, you gorgeously stupid hunk of gullible manmeat with an obvious mental disorder and bedroom eyes. I need to go throw up now, dear.

When he fell for your line of bull on day 2, I would have voted him off if I could. Michael is notoriously naive when it comes to trusting people. You're not the first person to play him for a fool, but in the end he always regrets it, usually as his virtual reality character lies dead in a pool of virtual blood and his game ends abruptly. He has a problem with keeping his mouth shut for one thing, he tells people things they shouldn't know, then they use him to get other innocents killed. Rinse. Repeat. It's an idiotic plan, you'll weasel out of the false results and get a free kill in the process. If this was a normal situation, I'd shoot you on the spot for disrespecting an officer, something you started before I commented on the stupidity of killing someone as a test when we have reasonable proof of the guilt of another. What a surprise. You defended your infected friend La'h'Rok by attacking Engofi, and when that plan was exposed you came after me. So obvious. Actually, it's simple. Read my first comment of the day and you'll see where I laid the case out against La'h'Rok, then go ahead until you see who started voting to stop that from happening. Then watch La'h'Rok claim that you and Barney and I are allies so he could vote against me, then watch Barney follow him. Are you sure you don't want to vote next? You three are tied together at the wieners already, might as well take the full ride. Barney and La'h'Rok are infected scum. Wicwa gives every indication of being one as well. Michael, you might be uninfected, but I can't trust you anymore. You've been deceived by Barney since the beginning or always working with him, I can't be sure, but it's already cost Sarah her life and now it's probably going to cost me mine. He's managed to trick you into killing yourself and you're still going along with it. I've made a perfectly reasonable case and it's being ignored by a crew of idiots. I refuse to be polite about that, and you're the worst of the lot, you're signing your own death certificate and you know it. See you in hell, baby. In other words you're confirming what I saw while blocking Mr. Troll, adding even more proof to my role. But please, ignore that and carry on. I'm sure she was just ... well, crap, I can't come up with any other likely uninfected roles to be had out there since our bodyguard is dead. Well, I'm sure her leader will give her a good cover story, just wait. It varies from game of life to game of life, but you will admit that the scum killer can usually kill nightly if the loyal one can, yet neither struck. Logically speaking, the loyal killer may not have had a good suspect and resisted the urge, but the scum killer knows his allies and would have struck, EXCEPT HE COULDN'T BECAUSE I BLOCKED HIM. Did I make that clear enough? No? THERE IS NO REASON FOR THE SCUM TO AVOID KILLING US UNLESS THEY CAN'T BECAUSE SOMEONE STOPS THEM. Now let's see... there was one person blocked and no one died. OH MY GOD! YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? Apparently nothing, according to you fools. When dealing with foolish children, sometimes you have to speak down to them. Why doesn't this ship have an isolation chamber? But seriously, I hurt everone's widdle feewings and now they want to kill their big bad commander who is just trying to get them to come to their senses and make a smart choice instead of blindly following Barney, who managed to get uninfected Sarah killed. I'm sure the wieners will be much nicer to them, so carry on folks, and when you see the truth, you know where to shove the wieners. Actually, in those virtual games, you were scum once as was I, and in the other we were both loyal. My only real point was to make you remember the roles you played and the situations that occurred and see how they are being repeated here, and I believe, used against both of us. Grow up. You can either get over it or you can end up with a wiener in you. At this point, I don't much care. I hope I am. It seems like people only listen to me when I get hysterical. When I'm being perfectly reasonable and laying out clear and obvious evidence, they just follow along with whoever opposes me like lambs to the slaughter. It's really amazing to watch.

How would I know that it would be shown? No, if I was infected, I know exactly what I'd do and there wouldn't be a single night where someone didn't die, there's no advantage to it, logically. Why pass up a chance to kill just to get another player suspected? Why not just kill him directly? What an idiotic theory, it's no wonder your ancestors die in all their games ... of life. Further, if he isn't the infected killer, then who was La'h'Rok after? Who had he decided to be judge, jury, and executioner to? Anyone have a clue? I didn't exactly see us getting a lot of evidence yesterday, certainly not enough for him to decide to just kill someone. No, your logic is flawed, only the infected killer would act every night because only they would know who to safely kill, yet he didn't kill anyone last night ... because I stopped his sorry rock megablocks. The fact that some of you want to ignore that tells a lot. You won't be able to ignore it forever. As for my role, on night one I blocked Barney, who has said as much himself. On night two, I blocked, um, damn these names, Mr. Troll, who has no night action and spent the night at home. In the process I learned that his wife sneaks out, but have no way of saying what it is she does, but after accounting for most of the roles in this game ... of life ... I have a strong suspicion that she tampered with the scanning equipment to frame Sarah. The timing fits and we certainly know that Sarah was framed, either by someone else or by the investigator (who we don't even know IS an investigator). Basically, it's your funeral if you lose me, I'm the last one that can slow them down. We've already lost an even more important role before me, you've basically got no defense left. Night after night it will be the same story, one more uninfected killed and everyone scratching their head as the infected laugh at you knowing you killed the only person who could at least temporarily stop them instead of killing their murderer and putting a stop to the losses. Honestly, I'm disgusted with most of you. You're letting yourselves be fooled (again and again) and don't deserve my help. Kill me if you want, and when the truth is shown, will you then have the sense to listen to my words? I doubt it. Lots of luck in your hopeless little lives, I'm going back to my cabin, there is nothing else to be done here, you can't make the blind see or the deaf hear.

Actually, you can. I said it was me and La'h'Rok, and he confirmed that it is him, only the person who blocked him could know that. He confirmed it was his knife, even. That's just my point, he wanted to hide it so badly he used you to put out his message, then blabbed it first thing the next day as an attempt to garner some kind of trust after mistakenly, crazily, or intentionally targeting an innocent crewmember. It's an awfully big gamble when we have better evidence before us. Which still comes back to my framing theory. Someone did that to her to ruin any investigation. It's the one reason I don't just vote for Barney, he may have been legitimately deceived on that one, but it means it could happen again, rendering him mostly useless at best. Don't overestimate yourself.

When I learned of the results of last night, I immediately knew that we finally had a break. I outlined that before the 24 hours were up and said I planned to return to vote accordingly. Seizing the opportunity to confuse the matter, your little allies started us down the road to murder Engolfi with no real logic behind it at all. Testing sanity? Yeah, right, at the expense of another non-infected. I don't think so. Still, you didn't mind siding with them when we were after Engolfi and taking the focus off you until I came to my senses and brought the original matter back up, turning the attention back to you. Only then did you decide to attack me, knowing that I am on to you. Talk about transparent loyalties... You are right about one thing, the crew will decide. If they are wise, they can look at all that has gone on and will realise exactly what is going on. If they want to kill without evidence, they can always vote Engolfi, or even for me, but if they want to look at the fact that the night killer was unable to do his nasty business only because I stopped you and no other blocking occurred during the night, then you're not going to last the day.

We already know you're insane or a liar, determining which isn't going to help enough to kill someone. Sarah is dead and was not infected. If we can't trust those results, how can we trust any from you? IF you're the investigator, investigate me. You could have done that last night, or the night before for that matter. Nothing I say or do will change that, but I sure as hell don't intend to end up like Sarah, innocent and dead over your mistake, illness, or deception. Because I don't think killing Engolfi based on anything to do with your word is a good idea. We tried that, it sucked hard, like the vacuum of space. The last 2 days of discussion are already useless compared to the clear cut evidence that the infected killer was rendered ineffective last night and the only person blocked from their action was La'h'Rok. So ultimately, it comes down to this, if we go by your plan and it's shown you were wrong, you'll just claim to be insane but not infected, and then we have to decide what to believe, just as we've done today after Sarah's needless death. If we go with the evidence as shown in the security footage and some actual logic, we very likely kill the infected night killer. It's such a tough call, huh? What are you afraid of? You know I haven't trusted you since the beginning and if we had lived up to our word, Michael would be dead today and you tomorrow for your screwup, those would have been pretty effective tests as well. Oh no, instead, you decide to be daring and announce your supposed role in an attempt to save both of your lives. Who didn't find that suspicious all of a sudden after you tried to hide it the day before? Now you want to kill someone as a pure test. Everything you've done so far has helped the infected and hurt the rest of us. Whatever decision is made today, that isn't going to change, you're just going to have a new battle to fight to convince us that you're crazy and not infected. Either way, you're a danger and useless to saving this ship. Investigate me, offer your life to save another to help them back out of their responsibility, then team up with them to kill another random person, toss out idiotic accusations when there is actual evidence before us, it's all you've done so far. Sure doesn't sound like the actions of a loyal member of the crew to me. Bottom line people, Barney and Michael are working together and have hurt us step by step. We have clear evidence that La'h'Rok is the infected night killer. If I'm wrong, not only will I expect you to kill me, I'll cast the first vote myself as opposed to acting like those two who hide behind each other to try to protect their little wienies.

This is nagging at me too much, I can't come up with enough justification to take a stab based on very little when we have so much more elsewhere. Unvote: Eskallon/Engofi Cheipo Now, here it is, all laid out. Last night... "Hey, you, what are you up to?" "Stopping you from doing any mischief tonight." I blocked La'h'Rok from his night action and no one died in the night. Why not? If he was the vigilante and uninfected, why wouldn't the infected killer have struck someone? They have plenty of open targets and we know from the security cameras that no other blocks occurred, so there is no excuse. There is almost no doubt in my mind that La'h'Rok is the infected killer, it's the only scenario that makes sense and the only one that would make him desperate enough to start quietly announcing that he's the vigilante in an attempt to keep using Michael, or as I'm starting to think of him, Toolboy. Whether they are just stupid or intentionally misleading us, Barney and Michael directly led to our decision to kill Sarah who ended up uninfected, and it would be idiotic to follow them again in killing Engofi with no evidence while we have a much clearer indication of the potential guilt of La'h'Rok. Vote: ISC / La'h'Rok Unlike Barney and Michael who have managed to weasel out of their murderous mistake (or not) of Sarah, if I'm wrong, kill me tomorrow. Hell, if I'm wrong, the infected killer would still be alive and might do it for you.

You mean the way Sarah was framed by the infected to appear to be one of them? I've been fairly certain about you for the last day and a half, you've shown no interest in helping, a "who cares" attitude about non-infected deaths and now your pathetic attempt here (and the PM you sent) confirms it in my mind. If we do have a vigilante out there, consider this a good target and I'm betting you won't be disappointed. Given that fact, I suspect we're screwing up by voting for Engofi, but if it helps reveal the infected scum, it may be a necessary evil *waits for someone to misuse that phrase, you know they want to*

Since this seems to be the plan and it makes a certain amount of sense, I'm fine with blocking as requested and going with the current vote. Just remember, if they also have a blocker, they may be able to keep me from doing my job and end up using this chance to kill someone while trying to make it look like we're wrong. Tomorrow may result in a very complicated situation, if we live. Vote: Eskallon/Engofi Cheipo I can insure the block at least. If it doesn't work, we'll know what has been pulled. Given the results with Sarah, we have no reason to assume that an investigation will help at all. If the investigations could be trusted, she wouldn't be dead.

We don't have a clue? You're damn right we didn't have a clue, we're being given intentionally misleading information to go on and doing the best we can in the dark. I'm seriously beginning to think that the ship's AI is infected as it's acting as a very poor host to it's crew by spewing such crap. If we make it out of this alive, I'm going to ask to have it flushed out and replaced with something better, maybe a Commodore 64 with a faulty tape drive. I am not pleased at all. I don't like being fed faulty information when it leads to the death of one of the crew. That said, I'm starting to believe it isn't the fault of the investigator but some other form of deception occurring. When I was in the Academy, I almost married this perfectly delicious magician I met while he was working at The Mystical Castle Amusement Park, but someone who was out to get him began leaving odd things in his room: panties, perfume, jewelry, the kinds of things that would make it appear that he was cheating on me, so I dumped him. When I found out later that it was a scum trick, I felt really badly about it. Let's not make that mistake, if that is the case here. Let's also not take the newly revealed investigator at his word, though a lot of what he says makes sense given that I blocked him on night 1 thinking he could be infected (we had nothing to go on yet, someone had to be blocked). Not sure that the third one was Barney, but you pegged the first two, of which I am number 2. That makes the killer ... You. Awfully smug for an infected flarnixsucker, aren't you? Oh, wait, he'll claim to be the vigilante, except for one thing, given the fact that the infected would never intentionally miss a chance to kill one of us, why didn't they try it last night? Because I blocked them. The security tapes clearly show that only one person was blocked, and since I did it, we know who. Now their little wiener friends will try to keep them alive so they can kill me tonight before I ruin their little scheme any further. As for knowing she wasn't infected, the only way you could be sure is if you're infected yourself, even the ship's scanners couldn't accurately call that one until it was too late. I know where my vote will go when the time comes, I'd like to see the infected wiener killer fried first thing tomorrow.

You are completely wrong. There were no words added, removed or changed in the first line of any post I've made in this or any other game (actually, I posted in MC2 after I died and edited my post without authorization while announcing the EB News coverage associated with it, but that was a joke). Any additions to any actual game post have been the IPB post merge which I would gladly disable if I could, but people make stupid mistakes and post things in triplicate that way otherwise. For that matter, I wish it was possible to disable editing completely just for specific topics, but that isn't even possible.

Since this is gameplay and not plot related and the day has ended, I'll just reply to both of you here. I have never in the history of mafia on EB, edited a post. For those of you who are dense, however, you should be made aware that if I need to add something to a post and it's been less than 20 minutes without any other replies, IPB automatically merges these posts. It's why a smart poster will preview their message before posting it, especially if you are posting a long reply. As you check your own post, it will also show you if anything has been added by IPB during that time. And to think that one of you is staff and should know this.

Quoting something I said before further revelations have been made makes me a little suspicious as to your motives in doing so. Whatever level of trust he has, if Michael ends up having trusted the investigator incorrectly, I'd certainly expect him to identify them so that we can deal with them. Wouldn't you? Call that selling out if you wish, but it makes perfect sense, why would he want to protect them if they turned out to have lied? Further, he's taken responsibility for the information, which means that he dies tomorrow if it's wrong. How exactly can we lose here? We either get one infected or potentially two. At this point, it's idiotic to oppose such an opportunity. Idiotic, or revealing other motives, I'll leave that to the rest of you to decide.

If you continued reading, you saw where that matter was resolved. Not to say I trust Barney, but I think we have a more pressing matter. Given reports of an alternative that seems to be based on actual information, and a promise of instant death for our Security Chief if he's wrong, I have no problem taking a shot on ... Vote: Sir Dillon / Sarah Ohce Scars and something unknown in your belly? Is that really the best you've got?

Santa Shadows Takes a Trip Announcer: It isn't a widely known fact, but 'Santa' isn't a first name or a modification of 'Saint', it's actually a title given to family members of the North Pole Mob. Each Santa in the organization has a different job ranging from accounting to manufacturing to delivery, as well as the usual gambling and extortion (why do you think they see you when you're sleeping and know when you're awake, they're collecting potentially useful information). Somewhere in all of that we find Santa Shadows who works out of the mysteriously named Office of Tracking. No one is quite sure who or what he tracks, or at least they weren't until today. Hello all, and welcome to the first annual episode of North Pole Mob Presents. I'm your host, Santa Shadows, and I'm actually the guest today as I take you on a short trip to show you what I do here at The Organization. Never fear, however, I'll be joined by someone you gents in the audience will find much more interesting than me. First off, the Office of Tracking refers to all those lists that we keep, making notes about the good and bad children of the world. Some of you may think we do that for altruistic reasons, looking to inspire young lads and lasses to behave well and earn lovely presents. You couldn't be farther from the truth. While it is true that presents are distributed to the good children, it's only to prove that they can't be trusted. If you can bribe them to be good, you could also bribe them to tell where the bodies are buried. No, we're not looking for dirty stoolpigeons, we want dependable, trustworthy members to join our organization, and where better to find them than the list of bad children? Naturally, we don't employ child labour any more, that'll get you busted faster than racketeering, but once these bad children grow up, we know just where to find them and the special ones are offered a position in The Organization. Today, I'll be visiting one of these grown up bad children, a particularly lovely young lady who grew up quite well and could easily serve as a valued asset in The Organization, perhaps even in my own office. After hours, when everyone has gone home. And here we are now at her family's stables where she has offered me 'the ride of my life', though I must admit I'm not sure what that means. Oh, look, she's returning now and she brought her whip... Hello Alice! Hi Shadows, nice hat. Thanks, it was a gift from a very special friend. I want to be your very special friend. Well, hello there! You said that already. Yeah, oh, nice pair. Of trees. Yeah. Would you like a closer look? Um, later maybe. So... why the whip? I offered you the ride of your life, didn't I? Well, yeah, but where are the horses? Where we're going, we don't need horses. Oh my. And on that note, it's time to wrap up this exciting episode of North Pole Mob Presents. I'm sure you've had as good a time as ... well, no, you haven't had nearly as good a time as I'm about to, but hey, you're not me, you just wish you were, and I am out of here! Announcer: Excuse me, sir. What? Can't you see I'm in a hurry? Announcer: Yes, but you were supposed to leave everyone with a warm and thoughtful message for the holiday season. FINE! Ok, you're right, where are my manners? Spend all the time you can with someone special, don't let the opportunity pass you by, not now or ever. Announcer: That was touching. Yeah, we'll I've got some touching of my own in mind, so I'm gone! *camera fades* Thanks for a chance to do something fun, Santa CopMike!