Shadows

Once you make 10 posts (don't go making lots of posts to get there, let it happen naturally), all of that will clear up. Welcome to EB.

You've lost your damn mind. How could I resist going along for that ride? Count me in. Past experience? Nothing quite like this.

Invision seems to think that all forums should have light backgrounds and make it a headache to do anything outside of that without completely reworking the skin. Oddly, this is the same base as Architecture month, but no one noticed that problem during that month. Go figure. I'll take a look at it, but at least it isn't critical. Added: Fixed the name with the help of our resident coding mistress, Darkdragon.

We're looking in to this, but it's been an issue since the upgrade and may be out of our control. If it can be fixed, I'll post here, and if it can't, I'll post here and lock it to avoid the inevitable crying.

It's been a blast so far, most fun I've had in a game in ages. Thanks for hosting this darkdragon, and thanks to everyone who played to their fullest.

More than a bit, between the three of us, a scum was stopped, and that was all made possible by the cult investigation. Oh, wait, that doesn't exist. You're just deathly afraid of being investigated the same way. *picks up Oscar and flips him over, squinting* You know, everything was fine with my investigations until the witch hunt by dickless here. Oscar: There's no cult! There can't be! No such thing exists! Save me! I've wet myself. Again. *a voice calls out from the crowd* Is this true? Yes it's true. This hedgehog has no dick. And he's wet himself. Again. Just then, a nearby radio begins playing a commercial. Voice 1: Are you troubled by strange killings in the middle of the day? Voice 2: Do you experience feelings of dread when you're around hedgehogs? Voice 3: Have you or any of your family ever seen a spook, spectre or cult leader? Voice 1: If the answer is "yes," then don't wait another minute. Pick up the phone and call the professionals... All 3: Cultbusters! Voice 1: Our courteous and efficient staff is on call 24 hours a day to serve all your cult elimination needs. All 3: We're ready to believe you. It's good to know that someone does. I plan on getting a good night's sleep, I have a busy day ahead of me. Night, ladies.

It kind of figures it would take a horse to have any sense around here. I'm not sure my heart would be in it. Maybe we could just go back to your stables and I'll give you a long, hard massage and then hide some sugar cubes. Honestly, all the moving around gets so tiring, I really would like to settle down in one place sometime.

Well, we both know that's a lie, no one creates a bulletproof vanilla townie. You laid out suspicions before it was even possible to have any and they never amounted to anything more than metagaming, you had to even admit that yourself. Why wouldn't I take such silliness calmly? The cult situation wasn't meant to be revealed when it was, it only causes confusion for the town. I hoped to deal with it quietly to avoid that, but the lunch discussion led to questions I couldn't answer otherwise. That's just unfortunate. Contradictions, however... You don't believe in the cult, you're just deathly afraid they'll convert you if I survive the day and have a chance to investigate you. You're right, no contradiction there at all. I'm not wasting time finding all of the others, especially since some were said in PM and then contradicted here. There's just no point in that. The morning will speak for itself. I will not come back as the cult leader and Matilda will be scum as I said. You, on the other hand, will still be just as likely scum or cult because the town is being denied the chance to test that. And that is that. Have fun for the next however many wasted hours. You rejoiced at the 72 hour day change, now you can sit and wait for it.

Actually, quite the opposite. The governor, or a representative of the governor, I have no means of determining that, approached me. We had a short discussion and I went to bed. I answered every question you asked in private and repeated it all here. In many cases, over and over, like I was trying to explain something to a preschooler who just couldn't grasp it. Defensive? You told me in pm that you were shocked at how calm and non-defensive I had been, now you claim the opposite here. I think you may have even said it previously during the day, but let's face it, you said so much and contradicted yourself so many times, I can't really be expected to keep track of that. Or care, to be honest. The town will care, that's what matters. As for voting for you, what would the sense have ever been? Unlike you, I don't think killing people is a particularly great test, especially if they might have a powerful town role. Your vest confirms you have something, my test would have cleared up just who your powerful role is benefiting, but you were too afraid to allow it. It's up to the town to save itself now, I've done all I can. Let's make this official, I wouldn't want a penalty tomorrow. Oh, right. Vote: Shadell (Shadows)

You're using a non-meatshield that you know for a fact wasn't one because you sat and watched us plan what we were doing. You can only bring the whole thing up at all because of your obsession with writeboards and a desire to see and control everything you can, which is, admittedly, part of your "towniest of town" personas. You normal town behaviour reminds me of every town game you play, it's far from just Bloodbrick, that was only the game where you earned the name Jesus after the scum used you to learn everything about the town and then threw you away and won. You didn't take the tag until later after doing it again. You've never stopped, it comes up in every game. Hell, in Asylum II, you actually tried to fake it to convince the town you were with them. You failed at that, too, and died on day 3, thankfully leaving us to finish the job you nearly ruined. Then you lynch the investigator who confirmed the results to you directly and score either a cultist or scum. Would that really be a shit factory to you?

Sorry, I can't be a hypocrite, I'll leave that to you. I honestly think you might be your typical jesus mode misguided self. I also think you might be the cult leader or godfather. For all I know, you could be the very vig you've put so much faith in. I have a tool to eliminate one of those possibilities and made a suggestion that would eliminate the other. Literally, we could completely clear you in one night and then you'd be able to be the center of attention you need so badly. The more you don't want to eliminate the possibility that you're scum or cult, the worse you look, but you're stubborn and as you said, childish, and would happily do this just for spite, so no, I'm not going to place a vote I don't feel more strongly about. I'm also not going to do your fake "kill him and then I'll let you kill me tomorrow if I was wrong", if plays are last year, that particularly lame move is years and years old. I should know, I started it in my first game when I was a total noob. It worked, too. Sad to see it still being used, but hey, it means you're learning something, and that's always good. I still propose investigating you and having the hider hide behind you. That would prove you aren't the cult leader or scum and end this whole thing right there. If you used one of your investigators or any of the other townies who you are in contact with, you could clear me as well. That would help the town. That's what I want to happen because that's what we're supposed to be doing here. You want me dead to prove I'm lying, except it won't and in the process, the town loses something important. I don't want to risk that because of the possibility that you could be important. What more is there to say? If a legitimate vote comes up, I'll be more than happy to consider it. Rant on.

You're absolutely crazy, you're coming unhinged right in front of us. You're contradicting your own beliefs to suit the moment (you don't believe in the cult then oh my god, he'll convert me, then kill me, then oh, right, I can't be killed, it just goes on and on) and forgetting the things we do have for facts. For example: Beeker is the one who saw Matilda and brought it up as odd. Why would I then repeat that to someone who claimed investigator unless I wanted them legitimately investigated? Why would I then tell you the result so you could tell the day killer their next target? Wouldn't scum just kill the investigator? You offered to have the day killer take care of Matilda and even said that if they didn't do what you said, you'd just turn them over to the town. That's scummy behaviour right there, but let's move on anyway. As for the forest of shitty hosting, you and Amy and everyone else knows that the team decided to let her die on the last day because it should have guaranteed a win. It had nothing to do with saving me and then we all discovered that the shitty host had created an unwinnable condiition and ducked us with it. Remember that nightmare? We all do, maybe you forgot it. To be blunt, for someone who could create such a broken and overpowered role with no means of balancing it has no room to doubt a cult. Except I'm the one that asked for her to be investigated at all. I could have simply told the hider that it probably meant nothing and you know what, I bet she would have believed me. Instead, I did the town thing and tried to check it out. Shocking! For the same reason the investigator didn't, just announcing something like that tends to get you attacked and frequently killed. I had hoped to reveal it in the guise of a lunch action, but yet, the lunch conversation threw that plan out the window and led to all of this. Wow, are you actually standing in the stables beating on the horses you may have personally had killed? That's just in poor taste. I bet you don't. You stopped buying it the moment it gave a reasonable way to test it and you. Could you be more obvious? I should write this as a play, but honestly, that's so last year. Instead, I'll just write your exact defense for tomorrow. "Wah wah, oh my god, I'm so sad, I was wrong, we've probably done a bad thing, all of us, you know, cause it wasn't my idea, it was everyone, it's always everyone when it goes wrong. No! Wait! It's his fault! If he hadn't told us that crazy story, even though it did turn out to be true, we never would have killed him. We. Oh my god, someone save us from the cult!" Feel free to paraphrase that when you use it, and sadly, it would probably work.

In your scenario, you know as well as I do that you wouldn't let yourself die the next day, you'd find some way to get out of it, maybe give up one of your conversions without telling them what you're doing first. Some crappy move, like usual. It's funny that you keep saying that. I was never told that they were conversion only, nor do I believe they are or I wouldn't have a vest at all. I also don't think we can safely say that the scum can't kill, and half of your arguments against people are based on successful blocks proving that those people might be killers who didn't get the chance, so I don't think you believe it either. The lies are starting to slip out, you might want to slow down, or just go hog wild and oink us to death. Yet you've been quick to defend them, saying that it's ridiculous to even consider that they could be scum. You chastised me for me, for example, but here you say you don't trust them now? If you don't think they're scum, you don't believe in the cult, what do you think they are that you don't trust?

Oooh, the Rotrigous gambit, but poorly done. What if not investigating you means the town never finds the cult leader and they're all converted? Simple, I told everyone it was something I thought we should discuss today, so it isn't just something I said in private. I still believe it's important. Why? Well, I told you that also, but I'll be happy to repeat it for those who don't already know, like you. The day killer is suspicious to me. They still are, even after killing the scum I discovered with the day investigator. By your logic, I shouldn't have done that either, I should only focus on the cult. Well guess what? The entire town is what we should all be concerned with, which means any threats to it. I see a very reasonable possibility that the day killer could be working for the cult, and I told you that. They wouldn't care who they killed, it could be a couple of townies than a scum and it wouldn't bother them at all. How has their work so far really told us their alignment? It hasn't and until today, it was all failures (assuming a vig), so that was enough reason to discuss it. Why are you suddenly opposed to any kind of discussion that could help the town? I have no direct action to hunt for the day killer, and at this point I don't even know if that needs to happen. What I do have, however, is a responsibility to try to stop the cult, and until that has happened, everyone is a suspect, including your beloved day killer. I'm sorry if that bothers you, but it's just the way it is, everyone is a suspect.

I'm really just laughing at your sudden fear and attempts to misrepresent things we discussed in private. I was not told what other investigators would get for a result because that isn't part of my role or any of my business. Logically, if they were able to investigate the same way I do, I wouldn't have been given the role, so it's still a stupid question to me. Please refer to my answer to Daisy. And your own memory. Exactly why this sudden fear seems so telling to me. I have never once called this psychiatrist, that's Oscar's interpretation. Do you remember in a previous life where someone was hunting a serial killer and whoever found the other first killed them? That's what this is from my end. I can't say what it is from their end, it would be really weird for god to tell me that kind of detail. You know, I'd think Oscar would remember the situation I'm referring to, having written that play himself. Or maybe the one where he and I played wizards in an old castle and his metagaming megablocks went for me on night 1 and exposed both of us. He was neutral and I was town, we both died anyway. This is not exactly a new concept to the game of life.

Technically, if I get the right results, no one will have to act on them at all, the cult leader will be dead.

Because I'm not a fool or a metagamer who cares about your fate except as it relates to this situation and trying to help the town. Getting you lynched when you could be a member of the town actually means something to me. Your reaction tells me that we think differently on that matter.

That sounds like a pretty good mantra for a cult, actually. I guess we forgot the last option, the voice of god lied to me.

Vanity, thy name is Jesus Oscar. Didn't you just say you've been investigated more than once by different people, (one of which is the day investigator that my work put you in contact with, by the way, the one who didn't think it was safe to contact "the town leader" but talked to me, leading to a successful day kill)? You don't know another way? Why would god not give us a way to investigate Shadell but multiple ways to prove you? I find that very hard to believe.

Mmmm, paranoia. Did you know that ever person here is a potential cult leader until proven otherwise? But wait, you don't even believe in the cult, as you've said before. Why the fear now? My advice, focus on the entire day instead of being so transparently stuck on me, the person who is the only reason the vig finally got a proper target. If it wasn't for my investigation and behind the scenes work to discover the truth, the vig would probably be 0 for 3, something you've defended in previous days. Now I'm offering a logical way to proceed without the town losing a valuable role, and you're looking desperate. Convert you to what? Again, you don't believe in the cult, or so you say, and in your imaginary world, if I could convert you, you'd suddenly become the cult leader, which is the only thing I'm hoping to disprove? You've lost it. Very telling.

Seems like everything has to be repeated today, now you? I did not say that cultists would come up as town if lynched or killed, I said they would come up town in investigations. Duh. And so I don't have to then answer the next obvious question, yet again, if cultists came up as cultists in normal investigations, why would I have to look for them and have an investigation specifically to do so? It's so simple, it makes me a little worried that you even have to ask it. The better question at this point is even simpler. If you're not the cult leader, what harm will it do? Everyone will be watching for the results and you're bulletproof from any attack, just like I am. You literally have nothing to lose here. Or do you? And let's face it, if you're scum, this won't even expose you, sadly. I don't actually think you are, but why don't we ask the hider to hide behind you and prove that one as well? They can hide behind me next, if you still have doubts. Fair enough? Does someone have a better idea that doesn't involve destroying a role that the town really needs?

We did. The one who I named to Oscar after using my investigations to open communication with people who ended up being able to help us. Keep up, please.

The difference there is that it was supposed to be the last day with a number of actions that night insuring the win. It wasn't designed to make me look innocent, as a meatshield would, it was simply to end things quickly and was planned long before the last minute accusation that had no support. Being day 3, that would be an impossible scenario here. Exactly, and then he would be revealed so that would confirm the whole thing. If it doesn't happen, he's one more suspect down, which is all I can really do in this situation. Hopefully someone can do something in the night to do the same for me. The sad part there is that either one of us or anyone else could be the scum godfather since no number of investigations will ever clear that up. We've been told that it's possible to know who targeted whom, so I'm hoping at least that's used on me and Oscar to confirm that I do exactly what I say I will. Or Oscar is the godfather. Or we're both town. Heck, there may not even be a godfather, we've seen that recently. I agree!

Or if the person they hid behind was killed. The role traditionally doesn't kill them for hiding behind anything but scum, so I assume they wouldn't die if their target had been the cult leader. Right. Which part of this are you not following? I need to investigate everyone, that means that one of those targets is the person the hider hid behind. If I investigate them knowing they aren't scum, and they're also not the cult leader, I have someone to trust. How is that a wrong choice? Again, how is investigating any unknown person a wrong choice, especially if doing so means I know that they aren't scum or cult and can then trust them? I'm beginning to see why you were the target of early suspicions today, but I can't tell if you're just really transparent scum/cult or stupid. I don't like to pull out that second one much, it makes Oscar excited, but I think even he would have to agree with my view here, what you're saying makes no sense, which either means you're desperate to prove something incorrect but can't do it effectively, or you're not smart enough to see how bad your logic is.

I'm pretty sure the idea was to show that neither of us is bulletproof, we're just protected for a certain number of attempts. I'm not really sure why the option to give it away doesn't exist, since that would be entirely up to us, but maybe it was a way to also keep it from being considered a normal item that could be stolen like a lunch.