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Too big a scale for my taste but damn what a marvelous build...again

An old project finalized after seven years Herningværket Vestkraft I/S All three typers of wagons were part of the company's famous coal train "kultoget" transporting coal from Vestkraft in the costal city of Esbjerg to Herningværket power plant in the inland city of Herning from the year 1982 to 2000. FALS coal wagon Digital model but built in 2012The 18 coal wagons were built in Denmark by Scandia in 1981-82 on license from Talbot in Germany.All were sold to France in 2000.My model:Scale: ~1:50Lenght: 30 bricksWidth: 8 bricksBricks: 312Weight: 335gDesigned: 2012 (slightly updated in 2018)Very high setting render from Stud.io with custom decals done in the PartDesigner tool. The doors can be opened up to 45 degrees: Top view: ASJ tank wagon Digital model but being built very soon... The six tank wagons bought by Vestkraft I/S in 1981 were originally built in 1948-49 by AB Svenska Järnvägsverkstäderna (ASJ) in Falun, Sweden. All six were scrapped in 1991. My model: Scale: ~1:45 Lenght: 26 bricks Width: 6-8 bricks Bricks: 302 Designed: 2019 Very high setting render from Stud.io using custom decorations from Stud.io, LDD to Pov-Ray and manual editing. Side view: The two 1-axle boogies can rotate and are held in place by a Hose, Flexible Ribbed with 8mm Ends, 10L. Technique used for the mid-cylinder: AVG tank wagon Digital model. The two AVG tank wagons bought by Vestkraft I/S in 1991 were originally built in 1968 by AB Gävle Vagnverkstäder (AGV) in Gävle, Sweden. Both were removed from service in 2002 and scrapped in 2003. My model: Scale: ~1:45 Lenght: 40 bricks Width: 6-8 bricks Bricks: 361 Designed: 2019 Very high setting render from Stud.io using custom decorations from Stud.io, LDD to Pov-Ray and manual editing. Some of the custom decorations were truly horrific to render due to their bend Top view: Technique used for the mid-cylinder: The locomotives (!) Both types of locomotives were from the Danish State Railways (DSB). In the the earlier years of operation from 1982 to 1993 two Litra MX (1001 & 1024) were used, one in the front and one in the back whereas in the later years from 1993 until the end of operation in 2000 a single more powerful Litra MZ (I) (1404) were used. DSB Litra MX The Litra MX locomotives were built on license from General Motors by Nydquist & Holm AB - Bofors-Nohab in Trollhättan, Sweden. 45 were built from 1960-1962. The Litra MX were very similar to their big brother Litra MY but had a smaller engine and lower weight with less pressure on the tracks making them popular on smaller railroads. Quite a few are still used today by private railway companies either domestic or abroad. One locomotive is on display at a railway museum in the city of Stuer, Denmark. My model: Digital model but based on my very first train MOC from 2011 with the same basic design. DSB red and black livery used in the 1980s. Room for lights in all headlights and the interior. Scale: ~1:60 Lenght: 40 bricks Width: 6 bricks Bricks: 546 Powered: 1 or 2 x PF, PUp or 9v train motor(s) Designed: 2019 (variant of my Litra MY update in 2018) Very high setting render from Stud.io with custom decals done in the PartDesigner tool. Interior: One of my pictures from 2013 with a Litra MY pulling some of the coal wagons: DSB Litra MZ (I) The Danish State Railways (DSB) powerful Litra MZ (I) locomotives were built by Swedish Nydquist & Holm AB (Nohab) in Sweden and subcontractors in Denmark on license from General Motors. 10 were built from 1967-1969. 61 in total were built across all MZ variants (I-IV). Quite a few are still used today by private railway companies either domestic or abroad, in Iran, Norway and Australia. My model: Digital model but based on my second train MOC from 2011 with the same basic design. DSB red and black livery used in the 1980s. Scale: ~1:60 Lenght: 40 bricks Width: 6 bricks Bricks: 653 Powered: 1 or 2 x PF, PUp or 9v train motor(s) Redesigned: 2015 (4st revision) Very high setting render from Stud.io with custom decals done in the PartDesigner tool and some manual color replacement of the upper headlights. The top can easily be lifted providing access to the battery box and all others parts inside: Photo inspired by LEGO train builder Sérgio Batista

Some strange arguments against 9v... “9v is dead and not in production anymore and one should migrate to PF. The sooner the better”. Buf PF is also dead and not in production anymore?!? The only remaning parts also used in PU are plastic tracks. But 9v tracks work fine for PU too?!? What we need is a whole train system aimed at us train enthusiasts with focus on sustainability; motors, pickups, control, power, tracks and so on. FX Track System promises that.

I’ll definitely be buying new 9v motor bogies (please make a center hole for a 3rd axle), metal wheel pickups, better designed 9v switches and the very much needed R64 track. Picking up power from 9v rails is overall so much simpler than batteries in larger layouts at home and especially at events. This power can also easily be transferred to PF components as my group does in our shared layout. Metal wheel pickups would also make small shunters easier to build. The control components look interesting but as our group uses a GPS control system called GamesOnTrack, I probably won’t buy much into this. We’ll see though. Overall this is a step forward, not backward. I’m all in ?

Yeah, shame it didn't get approved. I would have bought it too, more than once.

Really interesting question, raised. Entrepreneurial mindset combined with socio-economical differences between the two continents would be my guess. A while ago I had a long chat about this with an american who is printing on LEGO professionaly for others including PennLUG. He had a difficult time understanding why we didn’t try to monetizing our numerous instructions available online instead of giving them away for free. So we discussed this and came to the conclusion that living in a nordic welfare state there simply isn’t the same existential need and even some rather serious implications of starting to sell something professionally like unemployment protection and benefits, heavier taxation and so on. It simply isn’t worth the hassle trying to sell building instructions on a small scale and a business-model like those in the U.S would require a lot more to work. Selling building instructions online also demands a great deal of presentation, presence and accountability. Heck even sharing them for free does There is also the difference between sharing your hobby versus living from your hobby which I won’t go deeper into Having said all of that, I don’t find the availability of very good looking building instructions for European trains and material lacking even compared to the U.S. You just have to look around a bit online, on flickr, facebook groups like Lego Train Fan Club, LUG sites, private sites like ours on snakebyte.dk and so on. You can even find them here on Eurobricks. There are also numerous commerical sites, even Dutch ones either focused on trains or providing more general downloading/selling servies. So no, imo the biggest difference is that the U.S. guys simply are much better at presentation and presence combined with some entrepreneurial advantages.

Well, I guess this is just the way of the ‘net sometimes But sad that the MOC index isn’t updated anymore as there has been many great trains MOCs since and it seems that the quality keeps rising all the time, probably inspired and encouraged by those MOCs already done.

Incredible nice We had a Danish DSB variant of the Trans Europ Express looking very reminiscent called Litra MA nicknamed Sølvpilen (the Silver Arrow) but since seeing Holger Mattges' MOC, I have become strangely afraid of trying to build it as it won't look as good for sure and I will in al likelihood turn into pure copycat mode. Maybe I should just get over it and do it

Thanks, and thanks for the CC BY license info My focus is also mostly on creating and showing my own creations whether digitally or built with bricks so I highly appreciate that another person is willing to do building instructions for them as long as the work is good, accessible and free. Luckily I have an formal collaboration in place for eactly that as I have no interest in doing them myself whatsoever The collaboration came into place because I had shared some of my LLD files privately and began seeing them online and running into people exhibitioning the same models as me at events. Really awkward. Also a lot of people began asking for instructions or simply reverse-engineering them. So somewhat a means to an end. I did had to think hard about monetizing then and in the future. You can´t do both. And we still haven't found an answer to who owns the rights to the actual building instructions themselves...worth thinking about. Regarding exhibitions, I have politely asked people to ask for my permission beforehand for the bigger or the commercial ones. Whether they mention me as the orignal creator or not is up to them but most do. Usually in person but sometimes displayed in text beside the model(s). And my rather singular foucs on Danish stuff is also so well-known in our (nationwide) LUG that someone surely will point that fact out if not. I also don't share new creations anymore before I have either shown them online or at exhibitions myself first. I'm not quite sure how well this would work in larger countries with more exhibitions like the US or even Germany. But our global community does help somewhat though, just look at this thread BTW, it still pains me that Eurobricks of all places has LEGO Train 12 Volt's lovely but slight MOD of my DSB KØF in the Train Tech MOC Index instead of my orginal shown earlier here. Not his fault though, he even points it out. I have repeatedly written the moderators but never heard back. Go figure

I have a different perspective than most others in this thread, as people can download pdf instructions for most of my creations for free online in collaboration with a fellow Danish LUG member who did the instructions. Honestly, it gives me more satisfaction knowing that people like my creations enough that the want to build them themselves than the pride of owning something unique. After all, I can just make a new one at anytime if that is what I want. I’m very much into the sharing mentality. Of course, this is not possible if you want to monetize your creations and you still have to deal with others trying to. At least it is easier to stop that by pointing to the free instructions. And the commercial aspect of mostly Danish stuff is also quite limited or maybe my creations are not quite viable enough ? So I see my creations a lof of places. Setups at home, online, on facebook, in events like LEGO World and store exhibitions often without my participations and so on and on. Sometimes in another livery and sometimes modified. Sometimes those are not to my taste but often they are. I only ask that people acknowledge me as the original creator and don’t try to scam other people by (or when) selling them. So far most people have actually been quite respectful about this. Asking for permission before events or store exhibitons and even made sure I get some of the “compensations” if any. That being said, it is still a bit strange to ses my creations in the hands of other people and without much control from my side and I do have and have had some rather unpleasant experiences along the way. The worst was when someone put several of my creations (albeit modified) on LEGO Ideas as his own and couldn’t be reasoned with until LEGO got invovled and ended up banning him alltogether. I also see my creations being sold privately as unique from time to time with no mention of me or the free instructions. This hurts and kind of pisses me off everytime. But there is not much I can do about that really. All this being said, if some unscrupulous company or person took my creations and began selling them commercially as their own without my involvement I would get just as angry as the rest of you guys and do my best to stop it.

The final platform modules...for now Next step, building one or two complete platforms with tracks, passenger train and station life in general for Skærbæk Fan Weekend later this year and combining them with Odense Banegård the following year. Platform end module with buffer stop combined with plain platform module:

Finalized the outer dual side platform design for Odense Banegård and made some renders with custom decals The complete platform: One of many possible combinations but based on the real platform for track 2-3. Viewpoint from east to west. Length: 256 studs (9 platform modules) Width without track modules: 16+4 studs Width with track modules: 48 studs Parts with track modules: 8.015 Parts without track modules: 5.157 From the start I went with a very modular approach where each module could be easily replaced with another, changing the overall appearance but not too much. Each platform should really be twice as wide for both the platform and the roof compared too real life. And much much longer. Unfortunately LEGO track geometry makes 32+4 stud wide platforms impossible even with 3rd party tracks. So the outermost part of the platform and the roof had to be squeezed to fit inside the limit of 24 bricks between parallel tracks. So more inspired by than actually replica of the real thing. Some individual platform modules. Platform module with stairs to the main tunnel underneath: Platform module with old wooden building: The roof can be removed, giving access to the building inside. Platform module with benches: Platform module with elevator: Platform module with glass box (formerly used for smoking): The glass roof can be removed, giving access to the box inside. Platform end module: Technique used for the roof construction:

Very nice wagons You can actually forego the stickers for the dark red and dark blue train windows and built an almost matching version out of bricks. A fellow Danish LUG member, Lars Mogensen, worked out this brilliant technique for his amazing wagons Some few spacing limitations remain but he is working hard at refining the technique...

Designs used for Odense Banegård and the platforms especially. Infomation kiosk, ticket machine and vending machine:

I think you misunderstood me. Insofar as I know, he has been in agreement with most if not all before making instructions, including me.

Sven, you are a great trainbuilder and seems a nice person so I’m sadden that you take offense where I’m quite sure none was intended. Only flattering imitation and wanting to share the instuctions to a great model once public with the community. But he should have asked you but probably didn’t know your past history. However a few clarifying points: The donations are not for your models explicit but for all the hard work he puts in the instructions and the upkeep of the website. And iti is up to people whether they want to donate or not. It is very typical of the sharing mindset. Also the instructions are definitely not just lazy copy-paste jobs but in some ways work of art themselves. But that is another discussion...like who has the copyright to them? The person in question is also a nice honest person himself so if you ask him to remove the instructions and never do any of yours again publicly as you have, I’m quite sure he will comply without question. Just to clarify, Sven, I do not question your rights to your own models in any way. I have myself seen my models sold as unique, reverse enginered and even put on LEGO Ideas without any acknowledgement of me, so I know the hurt. I’m just defending the integrity of said person. Like you, I would hate that person to go silent or completly withdraw from the community. CDM, when the integrity of said person which I know is on the table and not only his actions, it sure is ok to take issue and clarify things as long as you try to keep it as polite as possible.

If I’m right, I actually know the person you are writing about and then you couldn’t be more wrong. That person have absolutely no interest in any monetary gain from any of the building instructions shared for free on his website and even makes them for people on request, almost always for free. He also makes sure to acknowledge the original designer. Just take a look at all the other stuff on this site and in the building instructions themselves. Yes many are mine but there are also quite a few from other trainbuilders, some even active on this board. In my humle opinion he does great work for our community with his work and even though he should have asked explicitly for your permission, to throw him in with the rest of the sad examples in this thread is just as wrong, If I’m wrong about the actual person, I sincerely apologize

Updated with digital renders from Stud.io instead of screenshots from LEGO Digital Designer

Around 20 days or 100+ hours of design work including some smaller test-building. It is very much designed with real bricks in mind and according to our Moduverse standard (Scandinavian MILS) Extremely modular and using a lot of 2 x 4 bricks and technic for added stability and support. Double and triple layer of bricks, crossing plates etc, I think it would be fairly easy to transport, set up and take down. Gathering all the parts on the other hand...that is going to be hard work and take some money

First post updated with new screenshots of the finished station Not added are 2 long platforms and 3 additional rows of ballasted tracks. Also not done yet are high quality renderings using either Stud.io but that is going to take some time with >23.000 parts !

Thanks! The first train station was also quite striking but was sadly enough torn down in the 1950s: The newest one, not so much As the train station was a purely digital projekt at first, I wanted a detailed interior and so it was designed with the possibility. Huge brick count or not. I will probably design but not build the interior the first time around, still considering one or two rather long platforms with ballasted tracks on both sides and one (built) road in the complete layout. But I have modified my digital designs somewhat in the later stages using a huge number of 2 x 4 bricks marked in multiple colors (red, yellow and blue) where they can not be seen, hoping to reduce the overall cost. A huge loan of parts and promised help with the platforms and ballasted tracks from fellow LUG.members helps a lot for sure

Design used for the trees (and potted plants) around the station:

More work done on the surrounding area, prepared for Moduverse (Scandinavian MILS) and almost finished

First post updated with new screenshots

Technique used for the round extensions and the low spiral stairs between the front of the main bulding and the wings: The extensions should look even more gradual round irl with five overlapping hinges per level and thus six horizontal points of bending. They are only attached to the main building with technic pins and should be easy to attach or remove thus making the main bulding easier to transport The spiral stairs are details not strictly necessary on a project this large. But I disgress