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I love this

I once removed stickers from an old set. I then soaked in water and dish washing soap for 1 day and then wiped good and got a fine shiny blue brick. I may have failed and repeated the procedure once though.

Panels are necessary and cool to include in any build. The concern is if we will miss such builds in favor of Panel-only body: link to image

Can u provide the link to ToysrUs with the descriptions? I couldn't find that.

Its not this way, panels are fine if moderately used.

That's what scares me. This sounds to me what may make the cost saving. If your 1000 piece set weighs 1.3Kg and made up of panels and many connectors and pins and few liftarms for making the gearbox and the base (in grey and/or black).

Oh, i saw this just now and I made a lot of arguments not liking this trend in the 2016 sets thread. In general, Panels are nice to close the gaps and adding finish touch but if the outer shell is only panels like the trend shows in the 2016 sets, this is really ugly, why I think so: 1- It means they want to make sets thinner and lower cost. 2- Liftarms will be less abundant in sets while they are the fundamental building block in Technic. When you build any simple thing, you use them. 3- I think if you ask most MoC-ers when they build which category they run out of 1st, the will say 1- thin beams 2- thick beams. 4- The shape of the build may get very closed and precisely curved but looks very thin and to an extent childish. 5- The building experience will be less chalenging and boring and getting closer to LEGO clone brands. It will be more like solving a jigsaw puzzle. 6- Liftarms will be mostly gray and black as they will be only for the inner structure Just my thoughts of course. Edit: 7- Art vs Engineering. Maybe because I'm an engineering guy I see it this way.

by LA I meant Liftarms, I saw it in a post and thought it Lift Arms, but from your question I can tell now it was meant in the post Linear acutator I'm new to the culture, pardon my noob ignorance. About your points: The switch from bricks to Liftarms served a technical purpose of allowing smaller structure and ridding of the useless studs on the body. I don't agree there isn't big builds with liftarms, I see that all the time in best MOCs. Edit: My main worry is not panels for themselves, its if the intention is to reduce weight and cost.

True, panels are good to have, but when this involves reduction of LAs this is a problem and I don't consider it evolution. Especially for the future people LAs will become scarce and expensive. Imagine buying a 1000 parts set to only get some 20 9-15 LAs. LAs are the building block of Technic and what makes it cool. Panels are nice for edge shaping but are boring if the whole body is made out of them, doesn't taste LEGO-ish to me. For instance, the above picture of the 8454 compared to 8289: For me 8289 has much more interesting build involving LAs and some bricks. Another example: when the seat of 42051 is just one L panel rather than some LA structure with possibilities of single or 2 colors, which is more interesting? Anyway I hope this isn't the case. We will only know when the sets' inventories and weights are known. there might be a tool box like 60002 . Lego will tell you: Our audience is kids Just joking, we have to wait to see.

I agree with all you said but I opened so far EV3, 42008, 42033, 8462, and some 500 BrickLink lose parts. I also have but not opened yet 42030, 42039, 42029, 42024, 42036x3. I also ordered this week 42042, 42026x2 and plan to get next year 42025, 42040, 42047(for White color), 42050 and 42051. So my exclusion is 42009 and 42043 which I know are the tough big guys of Technic. My problem with them is their lack of anything special not found in the above sets and the boring colors: all sets offer black and grey and 42030 + 42024 offer enough of yellow. I may like to build the 42009 in Blue and white or red and white out of my sets rather than buy it. I may miss few parts but this is another cool challenge to create replacement. 8421 may not be buildable using the above parts and then, this is a set to regret. How that sounds? :-) And thank you all guys who answered my query. Really appreciate it much.

You reminded me why some months ago I bought a used 8462 from 1998. I calculated the cost to buy its expensive parts and it was like double the used set price. Also, talking about the metal hook, 8462 has it. I notice most of you guys who like the 42009 share something: You buy gigantic amounts of LEGO. For me and maybe for those us who want only to accumulate average amount, 42009 does not provide variety of pieces compared to its piece count which we have to manage storage for. Thats only what I think and only for now, so don't judge me me if I come jumping later happy with my new 42009 :-)

Exactly this is what I said earlier. My guess is they are going for more panels - less beams. This helps make thinner plastic and less cost. I'm waiting to see the sets weights compared to similar price and/or piece count in the past. I hope Technic does not turn into the LEGO Friends for males.

I came back to LEGO only in 2015. Recently I notice that 42009 is getting great discounts but still considering buying. I also know that I should decide soon before it starts to phase out. Looking at its parts list, I feel bored. Looking at people's opinions, I feel interested. What is the main point of 42009 lovers? In what is it better than 42030 other than more pins and elbows ). Can you show picture of the super crane? Wow, that is so cool C-Model. Also the D-model is insane! but If I buy it I wouldn't miss the joy of building the A (talking about any set I would buy).

I guess not, the Tumbler tires are the ones in the back. According to what I copied in post #968 the front tires are the ones of 42024. If that is right and u like them, 42024 has 6 of them.

There is a long axel in the picture, I think driven by universal joint. The other end of the axle has worm gear between the 2 red pieces which probably couples with a small gear to lift the arm.

The top front tilting panel assembly seems to me free from the lower side, which may be hiding the battery.

the links in techlug pop down if you click on "afficher" in one post. Here are they: https://farm6.static... ... cfd3_z.jpg https://farm1.static... ... a5ef_z.jpg https://farm1.static... ... 3d74_z.jpg https://farm6.static... ... 69f2_z.jpg

http://www.techlug.fr/Forum/topic10081-60.html Just noticed that all of the big 3 have the "+Power Functions" sign next to them.

Interesting: Google translation of the same post of the pics: Car dragster 42050: New blue parts, different from the last and blue hot rod we know (in Technic). Design inspired by Mad Max but very Americanized (= disgusting to perfection), a prominent turbocharged V8. Set powerfunctionisable, perhaps to advance it. Tumbler wheels at the rear of 42024 wheels in front. Airport fire truck 42051: Red, 3 axles, well finished. White seats with new panels like the bumper of the mining machine. Axle front and rear direction and a dummy engine can speculate driven by the third axle. Powerfunctionalisable set for the rotation of the lance and the deployment thereof (2 joints).

Size talking, it seems: 42050: 700 42051: 1000 42052: 1400

I like the 2012 copter way more. What I notice is less beams in the sets. The body is mostly panels, which is less useful for one's parts inventory. Nevertheless, I like the rescue truck, its definitely new thing in Technic. On my buy list.

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techlug page: http://www.techlug.fr/Forum/topic10081-60.html https://farm6.static... ... cfd3_z.jpg https://farm1.static... ... a5ef_z.jpg https://farm1.static... ... 3d74_z.jpg https://farm6.static... ... 69f2_z.jpg

The hauler had only 575 pieces. I would agree with you because of the picture of 42049, I can't see a place for the battery to hide. But again the picture may not be final.

Would there be any chance of motorization?