Omicron Squad Leader Posted March 11, 2012 Come on Villain factory was a foregone conclusion ever since they named the theme Hero Factory. I wouldn't be shocked to find that 2013-1 is the last wave for HF. Who says that 2013 will even feature Von Nebula or the "Villain Factory"? He'll need to build the thing, get the systems working, and begin mass-producing villains. That's going to take a hell of a long time, even with HF blueprints. I think it will draw out the suspense if he returns later, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vexorian Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) Helmets. I would say, what if the helmets are somehow three thirds of Von Nebula. I don't follow that brand of logic. By that reasoning, X-Women would have been a foregone conclusion as soon as X-Men was developed, No, because X-men includes women. But the brother hood was a foregone conclusion ever since a team of good mutants appeared. Matoran Nuva would have been a foregone conclusion as soon as there were Toa Nuva Evil matoran were a foregone conclusion though. And it worked. Not interested in disproving more straw men. Who says that 2013 will even feature Von Nebula or the "Villain Factory"? He'll need to build the thing, get the systems working, and begin mass-producing villains. That's going to take a hell of a long time, even with HF blueprints. I think it will draw out the suspense if he returns later, too. I am not afirming it will end in 2013-1, I am just saying it wouldn't surprise me. A time skip fixes all of that. Edited March 11, 2012 by vexorian Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omicron Squad Leader Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) I am not afirming it will end in 2013-1, I am just saying it wouldn't surprise me. A time skip fixes all of that. Although such a skip would seem totally convoluted and unnatural as the theme has never done it before between waves. Edited March 11, 2012 by Omicron Squad Leader Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vexorian Posted March 11, 2012 Or you could just make Von Nebula finish all of that in a month. Because he is Von Nebula. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omicron Squad Leader Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) Or you could just make Von Nebula finish all of that in a month. Because he is Von Nebula. I don't think he has any powers that could do so. Again, I'd prefer his true return to come later anyway. EDIT: Unless he used his Black Hole Orb Staff to create a wormhole to the future? Dun, dun, dun! Edited March 11, 2012 by Omicron Squad Leader Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Play With Fire Posted March 11, 2012 Although such a skip would seem totally convoluted and unnatural as the theme has never done it before between waves. I might just be remembering something incorrectly, but to me it seemed implied that Savage Planet took place quite a long time after Ordeal of Fire... A Villain Factory seems like a strange idea but I think it could work. I would really like to see a wave where the Heroes fight the produced robots of such a factory. Is it just me or is the story getting way better than it was for the first year and a half? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vinyl Scratch Posted March 11, 2012 In my opinion, Hero Factory did get better as each storyline progressed. It started meh with the late-2009 story, but now with Breakout it's really great! I'm really interested in Von Nebula's return. I'm so excited. ^w^ And Black Phantom and Speeda Demon are tied for my favourite villains so far, followed by Splitface. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masta' Blasta' Posted March 11, 2012 Well I suppose you will change your mind about Black Phantom when you will watch the second part: Part 1 Part 2 Well in the end you really see Nebula's hand so it's pretty obvious now that he will return. Yes, that would help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JaeYeon eom Posted March 11, 2012 I'm got cover of "Heroes in action". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakutaNocturn Posted March 11, 2012 Villian Factory reminds me Bionicle when there was a Makuta which wanted to make shadow Toa from Takanuva clones. Oh Greg, Greg... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Crazy One Posted March 11, 2012 What's the point in spoilering the discussion about Villain Factory? Everyone is going to read it anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omicron Squad Leader Posted March 11, 2012 I might just be remembering something incorrectly, but to me it seemed implied that Savage Planet took place quite a long time after Ordeal of Fire... I got the impression that it took place around a week or so after, when all heroes had been upgraded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Play With Fire Posted March 11, 2012 I got the impression that it took place around a week or so after, when all heroes had been upgraded. The only problem is that Makuro said it would take a couple months to get everybody upgraded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aanchir Posted March 11, 2012 Not interested in disproving more straw men. I apologize if my claims seemed like straw man arguments, but it still seems outright ludicrous to me that every good character, location, or concept is destined to get an evil counterpart. You call this a "foregone conclusion" with nothing to back up your claim. Is a Villain Recon Team also a foregone conclusion, then? If this example is also a "straw man" argument, then explain to me why the concepts of a "Villain Factory" and "Villain Recon Team" are not truly comparable, because to me they seem to follow the exact same chain of reasoning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masta' Blasta' Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) Glad I saw the second part. Do we know how many parts are scheduled? Edit: Black Phantom sounds more menacing in the German version. Edited March 11, 2012 by Masta' Blasta' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omicron Squad Leader Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) The only problem is that Makuro said it would take a couple months to get everybody upgraded. *He said to perfect the technology, to make it safe, would take 2-3 months, not upgrading all heroes. That was before Stormer, Furno and Breez 2.0 proved that it was sufficiently advanced and safe enough already. Daniela Capricorn even said, right at the end, "there you have it folks, with Surge commended for his valour, and THE UPGRADE ROLLED OUT THROUGH THE HERO TEAMS, we enter a new era of crime-fighting and justice". Glad I saw the second part. Do we know how many parts are scheduled? Edit: Black Phantom sounds more menacing in the German version. That was the final part. Also, I don't think we've heard enough of the English dub to make that judgement, IMO. Edited March 12, 2012 by Omicron Squad Leader Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jalaguy Posted March 11, 2012 He said to perfect the technology, to make it safe, would take 2-3 months, not upgrading all heroes. That was before Stormer, Furno and Breez 2.0 proved that it was already sufficiently advanced and safe enough already. Daniela Capricorn even said, right at the end, "there you have it folks, with Surge commended for his valour, and THE UPGRADE ROLLED OUT THROUGH THE HERO TEAMS, we enter a new era of crime-fighting and justice". Bear in mind the gap between Ordeal of Fire and Savage Planet has to be long enough for Rocka to be built, and rack up an impressive capture record. It wasn't explicitly said he was built after the upgrade, but he's described as "the newest rookie from Hero Factory's extensive production facility" in his website bio, which basically confirms it. Also, Aldous Witch's betrayal took place between the two episodes too, since the heroes are in 2.0 form in the flashback. Jalaguy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masta' Blasta' Posted March 12, 2012 That was the final part. Gah, cliffhangers! What ever happened to Nex, Core Hunter, Breez and Thornraxx? We're they completely trashed or something? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mesonak Posted March 12, 2012 (edited) There will likely be a summer episode, you know. While that may have been the final episode of the initial Breakout two-parter, that's not to say it's the final episode for the entire year. Edited March 12, 2012 by Mesonak Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masta' Blasta' Posted March 12, 2012 There will likely be a summer episode, you know. While that may have been the final episode of the initial Breakout two-parter, that's not to say it's the final episode for the entire year. Ah, I wouldn't know that as I always watch the episodes on YouTube after they've aired. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aethersprite Posted March 12, 2012 Hmm. The episodes aren't up on Youtube in English yet, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarkSurgeXL Posted March 12, 2012 Hmm. The episodes aren't up on Youtube in English yet, right? Nope. We got the english episode only in april last year. So it's pretty obvious that they're not on You Tube yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omicron Squad Leader Posted March 12, 2012 Bear in mind the gap between Ordeal of Fire and Savage Planet has to be long enough for Rocka to be built, and rack up an impressive capture record. It wasn't explicitly said he was built after the upgrade, but he's described as "the newest rookie from Hero Factory's extensive production facility" in his website bio, which basically confirms it. Also, Aldous Witch's betrayal took place between the two episodes too, since the heroes are in 2.0 form in the flashback. Jalaguy True. Although I think that could've happened (at the least) within a month or two, since heroes are on mission usually every day, which could've allowed Rocka to gain his reputation in that amount of time, and Aldous could've deserted at any time, I guess. However, I think it would take (again, at the least) 3/4 of a year to build an entire "Villain Factory", as it looks like Von Nebula is planning to do. By the way, welcome to Eurobricks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Poison Ivy Posted March 12, 2012 True. Although I think that could've happened (at the least) within a month or two, since heroes are on mission usually every day, which could've allowed Rocka to gain his reputation in that amount of time, and Aldous could've deserted at any time, I guess. However, I think it would take (again, at the least) 3/4 of a year to build an entire "Villain Factory", as it looks like Von Nebula is planning to do. By the way, welcome to Eurobricks! Okay just to add to this discussion, let me write up a timeline: -Rise of the Rookies-Has to take place quite a while after the Factory is built, because the Alpha Team (Presumably the first Heroes built) already has a huge reputation as the best. -Ordeal of Fire-Here we see Furno and Breez/to a lesser extent Surge acting more mature and experienced, I assume around 3 months or so after RotR. -Timespan in which Rocka is built, Aldous deserts, upgrade is spread to all Heroes -Savage Planet-Here we see Furno acting as more of a leader, so I'm beginning to think a few (2-5) months after OoF. -Breakout-Upgraded again, I think 4-5 months after SP. All in all, HF covers a span of 1 year or so, maybe more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakutaDreadscythe Posted March 12, 2012 Well, considering the theory of Villain Factory, allow me to add to that theory my guess. I think Von Nebula is going to create undercover heroes to destroy Hero Factory from the inside out, which would probably explain Core Hunter's role. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
