LEGO Star Wars 2024 Set Discussion - READ FIRST POST!!!

[Agent Kallus]

1 hour ago, QuiggoldsPegLeg said:

That’s true. The satyr legs would work well for Geonosians, who have backwards knees, but Zeb’s knees bend the normal way, so it would definitely be more inaccurate to give him the satyr legs. (I think people probably get confused at his legs bending backwards because the heels of his feet are high off the ground.)

But Satyrs don't have backwards knees, they have goat legs. And goats are unguligrades so what you are thinking of as a backwards knees is an ankle and the knee is higher up. Zeb is a digitigrade not a plantigrade ( unlike most SW aliens who are typically plantigrades because they just have human legs) and the saytr/faun legs are used pretty well for both digitigrades and unguligrades, where as plantigrades use regular minifig legs of varying height. 

The heels off the ground is true for most earth digitigrades ( and as plantigrades humans are outnumbered among mammals). If you have a cat or a dog take a close look at it's legs, (fore legs especially will be similar to Zeb's legs)

Zeb walks on his toes which is what those legs were designed to represent I think they'd be perfect for him ( dual moulded ones would be even better).

Edited August 12 by Agent Kallus
Clarity

[Classic_Spaceman]

On 8/10/2024 at 10:37 PM, AD_Bricks said:

If you'd like a general summary of all the info we have so far for multiple themes, there is that one site that I'm sure other people here know of that you might find useful, but I'm not sure it's okay to link to it or directly share the name due to the guidelines about sharing leaks on EB. Would anyone be able to give me the go-ahead for sharing it or link to it yourself if you're sure it's fine?

Could you DM me a link? 
 

4 hours ago, QuiggoldsPegLeg said:

The satyr legs would work well for Geonosians

Good idea! They would look especially good on Geonosians, as it would enhance the spindly and buglike appearance of the Minifigs. 
 

3 hours ago, Agent Kallus said:

Zeb walks on his toes which is what those legs were designed to represent I think they'd be perfect for him ( dual moulded ones would be even better).

Zeb is digitigrade, but the main issue with the faun leg piece for him is that he would not be able to sit down! Also, since Zeb is wearing a NR pilot suit now, the exact configuration of his legs may not be obvious due to the bagginess (and to the fact that it is easier for his stand-in actor to wear weird shoes with a slight heel than it is to make a fully CGI character). 
 

[Lordhelmet]

3 hours ago, Agent Kallus said:

But Satyrs don't have backwards knees, they have goat legs. And goats are unguligrades so what you are thinking of as a backwards knees is an ankle and the knee is higher up. Zeb is a digitigrade not a plantigrade ( unlike most SW aliens who are typically plantigrades because they just have human legs) and the saytr/faun legs are used pretty well for both digitigrades and unguligrades, where as plantigrades use regular minifig legs of varying height. 

The heels off the ground is true for most earth digitigrades ( and as plantigrades humans are outnumbered among mammals). If you have a cat or a dog take a close look at it's legs, (fore legs especially will be similar to Zeb's legs)

Zeb walks on his toes which is what those legs were designed to represent I think they'd be perfect for him ( dual moulded ones would be even better).

Love the breakdown.  I agree that the Satyr legs would look awesome with some good printing for Zeb (so long as they are the same height which I believe they are).

[AD_Bricks]

10 minutes ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

Could you DM me a link? 

[Classic_Spaceman]

8 minutes ago, AD_Bricks said:

Got it! 👍
 

[Mandalorianknight]

22 hours ago, Samppu said:

For one thing, the budget per episode is small. 
For this reason the entire first season goes from one individual episode to another, almost none of which builds any greater story arch or connection to the things we might already recognize. 
(And not just Din Djarin... Think about other Disney Star Wars heroes. Even Han Solo who in the original Expanded Universe was from a happy middle class Corellian family.)
No excessive violence. Check [x]
In fact, preferably no violence to any person with a normal face. Check [x]
(This is why we don't see Imperial officers all that much, not in Mandalorian, not in Jedi Fallen Order either...)
Moreover, no killing. Check [x]
(The only killing by the main character in Mandalorian 1 & 2 happens in the pilot, and even that is caused by getting cut in half by a door, not directly killed by the main character. If you wish, you can exercise similar thought play on Jedi Fallen Order... Stormtroopers do not count.)

I left out the stuff that's more opinion-y, but

The budget is objectively not small. You might say it feels low budget, which I would heavily disagree with, but we know at the very least the budget of season 1, which was MASSIVE for a TV show.

The first season 100% builds a greater story arc. 1-2-3 is a continuous story, as is 7-8, which grabs characters from the episodes beforehand as well. You've at most got 4/5/6 as not directly building a bigger story arc, but they all add characters and plot threads that become important later on.

There is absolutely violence and killing in this show, including to people with exposed faces. Mayfield shoots a dude in the cafeteria. An officer kills himself in front of Bo-Katan. And that's just off the top of my head. Yes, most of mando's kills are against stormtroopers, because most of the people he fights are imperials, and their soldiers happen to have closed helmets. That's not a Disney addition- in fact, Lucas was opposed to showing imperial officers be killed.

11 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Wasn’t it already confirmed that the SW logo doesn’t come with any minifigs?

I think that was said back when the same was said about the marvel one, which we now know includes most of the OG avengers cast. My guess would be there's a good shot we see Luke/Han/Leia/Chewie/the droids, or something like Luke/Rey/Anakin/Mando/Grogu

9 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Has it been confirmed to be in the movie? The trailer used a lot of stock footage after all

I don't know why they'd have stock footage of Zeb flying the Crest, but I guess that's possible.

[Samppu]

30 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

The budget is objectively not small. You might say it feels low budget, which I would heavily disagree with, but we know at the very least the budget of season 1, which was MASSIVE for a TV show.

The first season 100% builds a greater story arc. 1-2-3 is a continuous story, as is 7-8, which grabs characters from the episodes beforehand as well. You've at most got 4/5/6 as not directly building a bigger story arc, but they all add characters and plot threads that become important later on.

There is absolutely violence and killing in this show, including to people with exposed faces. Mayfield shoots a dude in the cafeteria. An officer kills himself in front of Bo-Katan. And that's just off the top of my head. Yes, most of mando's kills are against stormtroopers, because most of the people he fights are imperials, and their soldiers happen to have closed helmets. That's not a Disney addition- in fact, Lucas was opposed to showing imperial officers be killed.

I admit I cut some corners, but to be precise:
The budget per minute of show was low compared to movies. Though this is standard for all television shows, so Mandalorian is not any worse in this sense. As you said, in fact better. Nevertheless, Game of Thrones creators reported struggling with the same problem, but at least personally I feel they managed to come up with good results in the end considering the effects, the battles and the locations of the show. Mandalorian is objectively small scale in these regards. Not that it is necessarily a bad thing, but it does not include a massive space battle, a city with crowding inhabitants or an exotic planet with epic terrain and more than a village to its population.

Mandalorian does build some story arch, it is not totally devoid of it, but nevertheless, its structure is mostly episode based, not continuous. For comparison, Game of Thrones has a continuous story line where the beginning of each episode continues from where the previous ended, whereas Doctor Who is similarly episode based with isolated missions taking place during each episode with some bits and pieces here and there to add on an overall story arch. Mandalorian resembles Doctor Who in this sense. Again, not that it should be a bad thing in itself, but I am a little afraid that they did not even have an option for anything else (during the first season I mean).

And sure, there is killing indeed. I should have been more precise. Bad guys are in fact allowed to kill. It is that the "good guys" are not allowed to kill to not show children an example of bad moral. But you are right, this is not only Disney's rule, even if at least I feel that they tend to be more strict about it. Just for a funny example, I actually laughed when I realized that in Jedi Fallen Order Cal Kestis actually does not kill a single enemy with a face by himself. It is always some npc executing the final act. (Again, it does not make the game and its story any worse, it was superb, and they conducted it very well under those rules. I merely argue that those story solutions about killing boss enemies were based on such rules indeed.)

Personally I think that this killing and moral example issue is treated weirdly both by Disney and Lucasarts as well. It makes sense to have shows aimed for children with good examples and reasonable balance of violence and other bad things. But then those shows perhaps would be better fitted around some other theme than the life of a professional killer or war itself (Clone Wars has the same issue, though to a lesser extent).

Yet I underline that Mandalorian was not a bad show, not objectively and not for me personally. And I was not sarcastic about baby Yoda, it works perfectly well for its role and was a genius idea.

- Samppu

Edited August 12 by Samppu

[ARC2149Nova]

27 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

There is absolutely violence and killing in this show, including to people with exposed faces. Mayfield shoots a dude in the cafeteria. An officer kills himself in front of Bo-Katan. And that's just off the top of my head. Yes, most of mando's kills are against stormtroopers, because most of the people he fights are imperials, and their soldiers happen to have closed helmets. That's not a Disney addition- in fact, Lucas was opposed to showing imperial officers be killed.

Ozzel and Needa would like a word. 

But yeah, discounting violence against Stormtroopers as "not real violence" is kinda wierd. Stormies are still people. Besides, I find it hard to believe that most armies in Star Wars wouldn't have closed helmets, most of the Rebels more notable uniforms were typically ceremonial (like the RFTs), just repurposed for all-out warfare, hence why they're an exception.

[Samppu]

5 minutes ago, ARC2149Nova said:

But yeah, discounting violence against Stormtroopers as "not real violence" is kinda wierd. Stormies are still people. Besides, I find it hard to believe that most armies in Star Wars wouldn't have closed helmets, most of the Rebels more notable uniforms were typically ceremonial (like the RFTs), just repurposed for all-out warfare, hence why they're an exception.

Particularly children don't necessarily see it that way. When I was 9 and watching episode IV, I actually did not have a clear conception that stormtroopers were humans (after all, the droids existed at that point already). Like logically and morally you are right, but human mind doesn't always work that way. And when masked soldiers die, their emotions do not show to the viewer, which makes it easier to accept their death. (Conversely, the heroes always take the helmet off in Hollywood for this reason, even if they initially had one. Mandalorian is in fact perhaps the first example who really doesn't.)

[BacktoBricks]

Got the Desert Skiff yesterday and have to say I am not impressed. I've only got it so soon because I managed to get it for £55 not £70 and I only got it for the minifigures as I'm sure will many people so was not prepared to pay RRP. On that note, the minifigures are excellent, overlooking Boba Fett, and I just love Skiff Luke. There is an argument to be made that Lando's helmet is a slight downgrade for not having some lighter printing on top of the brown around the mouth area, but I think you could make the argument for either colour. Either way, as a ROTJ fan, these minifigures are classics for me.

However in terms of the overall product, the value didn't feel there to me for a few reasons:

1) Bag 1 I was missing Boba's gun piece and instead got a random white grill slope and then a later bag I was missing another tile. So essentially two missing pieces. I can source them, but it's an inconvenience that seems to be happening more often now as I've have had a few missing pieces in sets over the last couple of years.

2) When building, the instructions also told me I needed 4 yellow steering wheels, but the picture underneath had me placing 4 black 2x4 bricks onto the build; that confused me for a second looking at my parts for four steering wheels that aren't even in the build until I clocked the picture underneath, and it's probably going to cause a few scratching of heads among kids when building too. And this is after I found about five different errors in the Yavin building instructions. Point is, overall, between 1 and 2, the quality control was just not there and felt totally sloppy for a premium product. If only the best is good enough then the instructions need to be proof checked better from my latest Star Wars experiences.

3) As for the actual set, I can't say it's overpriced purely on the amount of stuff. It's £70 RRP in the UK when the last one was £30, but it's roughly twice the pieces of the last one and has two more minifigures. So essentially for £10 extra on top of the £60 for the double pieces you get two more minifigures. That seems totally fair. The problem, is that the pieces you do get just seem to mainly go into building one big sand slab. You start by building the Sarlacc if you follow the instructions and building the Skiff felt almost like just building the afterthought I'd put together so many pieces before I got there. When I looked at the details of the last set to compare the piece count and saw a Skiff that looks very similar, but a far more compact Sarlacc it really highlighted how even if you allot another £10 to the extra minifigures, there's essentially a good extra £20 that's gone into tan slopes. And this for me is why the value just doesn't feel there. I'm not blaming the designer; they were given a price and piece count to work with I'm sure and did their best with it, but for me Lego didn't need to shoehorn this set into that price bracket even if the set is meant to be paired and displayed with the upcoming Barge we all don't but do know about. And again, not the designer's fault I'm sure because they get given a maximum for minifigures, prints etc, but if the set is going to be in this price bracket I'd have rather the minifigures got that extra attention and Boba got the right printing and a cloth piece and the Sarlacc shrunk a bit. I also don't get why the pieces at the back of the pit were done in black and not tan; these are not parts that will show through and disrupt the illusion of depth that the black inner pieces create, so it makes no sense to me as it makes the model look unfinished at the back and this is a set clearly aimed at adults displaying it at well as a toy.

Edited August 13 by BacktoBricks

[Llewop]

I know licensed themes have kind of kept lego going but I feel like they have too many now and it’s reflecting in the price rises which are just ridiculous. Surely there is going to be a point where there sales are going to go down to a point where they will lose money. I know Lego is aiming more and more at adults but not all adults have the amount of disposable income to actual buy and collect sets.

Im waiting for the August wave to start going on sale, already picked up Junes at 30% off. Do feel if this keeps up they are going to price a lot of us afol out of collecting. 

on a different note had there been any actual confirmation on the price of the fleet vs stormie bp yet? Only one I’m seeing is £45 which was someone’s guess? It’s weird because we got pics for this sets before we got details like set number, piece count and price, I know the only thing we knew was that it had the droid and some troopers but we all guessed it was tantive extension 

[Kit Figsto]

12 hours ago, BacktoBricks said:

As for the actual set, I can't say it's overpriced purely on the amount of stuff. It's £70 RRP in the UK when the last one was £30, but it's roughly twice the pieces of the last one and has two more minifigures. So essentially for £10 extra on top of the £60 for the double pieces you get two more minifigures. That seems totally fair. The problem, is that the pieces you do get just seem to mainly go into building one big sand slab.

I think that this is the trouble with a lot of newer sets and the prices.  Prices have certainly gone up, but I also think that it's partly due to the amount of parts being put into sets versus the actual size.  

I've referenced this video a ton of times, but Jangbricks does a really good breakdown in his Eldorado Fortress review, where he essentially argues that LEGO prices haven't gone up as much as people say, it just feels that way because there was a period of time (2010s, mostly) where there was essentially no inflation in LEGO at all, and then suddenly everything is hitting at once, which I would have to agree with.  Star Wars BPs are a great example.  When they came out in 2007, they were $9.99, and I think over the course of about 10 years, only really got as high as $11-12.99, which doesn't feel like much.  Suddenly, a few years later, they're back, and they're charging $26.99!  Okay, that's too much, it gets bumped down to $19.99.  This still feels high, as inflation shows that $10 in 2007 should be roughly $15.50 now, which is about what you can get these BPs on sale for if you wait a little bit.  Point being, I think that people are expecting prices to be at 2015 levels when that's just not the reality anymore.

I also think that it's interesting how now, you can essentially find any set either on sale or with a reduced price if you just wait a bit.  Obi-Wan's starfighter, for example, has been $23.99 at Target/Walmart for essentially a year, it probably retailed for $29.99 for less time than it's had the discounted price.  Conversely, during the 2000s and 2010s, LEGO on sale was basically unheard of unless you found something on clearance, or it was a store like Toys "R" Us that sold stuff above MSRP to begin with.  My personal theory is that prices are being marked up knowing that stores now are much more lenient about giving sales on sets that aren't selling at full price.  If it's a LEGO exclusive, then you're out of luck, but I've pretty much been buying most everything 3-6 months after it comes out now since I can just get it for cheaper.

That brings me back to my original point, I think another contributing factor to the "prices versus stuff" argument is that sets now are more detailed than ever.  This is good, but it also means that there's way more parts being put into greebling and other details than there were 10-15 years ago.  As such, the price/piece of sets hasn't necessarily taken a hit, even though the sets themselves feel the same size.  The skiff is a great example.  I have the one from, I believe, 2012, which cost like $30 and came with 4 minifigures.  I don't own the 2024 one, but the 2012 skiff actually looks larger than the new one, though the Sarlacc is way larger on the new one.  Looking at the new one, certain aspects of the skiff (the transparent stand, some of the floor, etc) appear to use more small pieces compared to the 2012 version.  Does the new skiff/Sarlacc look good?  Yes.  Is it probably the most movie-accurate one?  Yes.  Did we need it to cost $80 when we could've made things a bit smaller/less detailed and probably accomplished the same idea at a $50 price point?  I'm going with no.  

This is a very long-winded way of saying that, while I believe prices have gone up a bit too unreasonably, I also feel like things "feel" more expensive because there's been sort of a shift into detail versus straight size of models.  There's also the aspect that things are getting put on sale very quickly now, meaning that an $80 is, in reality, like a $64 set, which feels more bearable, especially when you look at piece counts, even though a skiff + Sarlacc set "feels" like it should be a $30-40 set.

What I don't get, though, is why some themes' pricing feels completely arbitrary.  Dreamzzz is a good example, where you had some sets that felt like a solid value for the price (most of the $20-30 range), but then you had sets that were effectively the same size/part count as some of these that cost $40-50.  2023 Indiana Jones also made no sense, because it was a licensed property, and yet those sets were priced incredibly cheap.

 

[mirkwoodspiders]

Me waiting for pictures of the Sail Barge to emerge ---> 

[starlego98]

Now, some people are mistakenly claiming that the Star Wars magazine would include the old Boba Fett from the 2000s.

[CallumPears]

Sabine mag is finally out in the UK. 

Unfortunately it's a 2-gift one so is a bit more expensive (£6.99) which is a little annoying as I was originally going to get a few of them to use as generic Mandos. So far all the ones I've seen have the 212th trooper as the 2nd gift; I'm going to wait and see if there is any variation before I buy as I really don't like that Clone design so for me it doesn't contribute anything to justify an extra £2 on the price. 

Just now, starlego98 said:

Now, some people are mistakenly claiming that the Star Wars magazine would include the old Boba Fett from the 2000s.

Yep, saw that on Reddit. Presumably people who have no idea how these things work. 

[AD_Bricks]

1 hour ago, starlego98 said:

Now, some people are mistakenly claiming that the Star Wars magazine would include the old Boba Fett from the 2000s.

 What on earth?? How did that come about?

[Agent Kallus]

Picked up my Sabine mag today. Next one is clone shiny. Not a tie pilot like Germany has? Will they ever sync back up? 

1 hour ago, CallumPears said:

Sabine mag is finally out in the UK. 

Unfortunately it's a 2-gift one so is a bit more expensive (£6.99) which is a little annoying as I was originally going to get a few of them to use as generic Mandos. So far all the ones I've seen have the 212th trooper as the 2nd gift; I'm going to wait and see if there is any variation before I buy as I really don't like that Clone design so for me it doesn't contribute anything to justify an extra £2 on the price. 

Literally just got mine, I'm typing this on the bus stop. I didn't realise it was double one till you'd said, they'd hidden the clone behind Sabine. But an Extra 212th for 2 quid is worth it to me.

[Yperio_Bricks]

9 minutes ago, AD_Bricks said:

 What on earth?? How did that come about?

Someone posted a picture of a page from the Polish version of the magazine which shows the old Boba and wrote "The special edition magazine that comes AFTER the Vader one VERY LIKELY will include the original boba fett (IF the special magazine will be released in the first place) Very likely

1 minute ago, Agent Kallus said:

Picked up my Sabine mag today. Next one is clone shiny. Not a tie pilot like Germany has? Will they ever sync back up?

So Sabine is real after all Hope to get her after TIE pilot. It's truely a mess when everything is out of sync so much.

[Lego Nostalgia]

43 minutes ago, AD_Bricks said:

 What on earth?? How did that come about?

Some people in the Insta comments were so angry and believed it saying ''HOW COULD THEY DO THIS, THE VALUE IS GOING TO GO DOWN''

1 hour ago, starlego98 said:

Now, some people are mistakenly claiming that the Star Wars magazine would include the old Boba Fett from the 2000s.

Captain Rex backlash was just the beginning, could you imagine if they re-released Cloud City Boba from 2003 ? LOL xD

GUYS GUYS GUYS, IF DO OR DO NOT THERE IS NO TRY, THEN HOW DO WE KNOW IF WE DON'T TRY ?

[Llewop]

8 hours ago, Agent Kallus said:

Picked up my Sabine mag today. Next one is clone shiny. Not a tie pilot like Germany has? Will they ever sync back up? 

Literally just got mine, I'm typing this on the bus stop. I didn't realise it was double one till you'd said, they'd hidden the clone behind Sabine. But an Extra 212th for 2 quid is worth it to me.

So we know at least for 2 of the last 4 months of the year we are getting figures for the magazines? That’s great, I don’t know have we ever had a year with so many figures? To my recollection we’ve only had one mini build this year. I wonder if sales plummet when there are no figures in the magazines? 

I already have Sabine, is it weird I want the 212th and I’m seeing it as getting a spare Sabine for £2 lol

Edited August 15 by Llewop

[CloneCommando99]

10 hours ago, Lego Nostalgia said:

Some people in the Insta comments were so angry and believed it saying ''HOW COULD THEY DO THIS, THE VALUE IS GOING TO GO DOWN''

 

How will this affect the resale value?

Sooooo,

Andor S2 appears to be the only content we’re getting next year. Hopefully that equates to a decent amount of sets. Or whatever Lucasfilm animation is cooking up getting sets.

[AD_Bricks]

18 minutes ago, CloneCommando99 said:

How will this affect the resale value?

Sooooo,

Andor S2 appears to be the only content we’re getting next year. Hopefully that equates to a decent amount of sets. Or whatever Lucasfilm animation is cooking up getting sets.

Or hopefully them catching up on other recent stuff, like Bad Batch. Or maybe an Acolyte set or two will have been made ready by then. Ideally some good ROTS sets too.

[BrickBob Studpants]

18 minutes ago, AD_Bricks said:

Or hopefully them catching up on other recent stuff, like Bad Batch. Or maybe an Acolyte set or two will have been made ready by then. Ideally some good ROTS sets too.

Exactly. The lull in new content next year should give them plenty of space to catch up with some shows they neglected or outright skipped so far

I wouldn’t expect too many ROTS sets though. It’s been WELL established now that the movies’ anniversaries don’t matter. At all.

39 minutes ago, CloneCommando99 said:

Andor S2 appears to be the only content we’re getting next year. Hopefully that equates to a decent amount of sets.

S1 had one single set. I don’t see any reason for them to release more than a veeeeery small handful for S2, if any at all  I doubt S2 will be more appealing to younger audiences, even with K2 finally showing up

Edited August 15 by BrickBob Studpants

[FullBrickDev]

I'm looking forward to only having Andor S2 next year, as that means like others have said that they have more time to cook up something from previous releases. I would hope for re-releases of Imperial units (Deathtroopers, Shoretroopers, etc.), although that goes into wishlisting so I'll shut up! 

[Flawless Cowboy]

1 hour ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

It’s been WELL established now that the movies’ anniversaries don’t matter. At all.

Quite the opposite. Four phantom menace sets in one year is an outlier, unless the anniversary is taken into consideration. Adult sets in particular get disproportionate attention for anniversaries. Last year’s dioramas and helmets were dominated by ROTJ and Clone Wars.