Balrogofmorgoth Posted August 2 Posted August 2 On 7/27/2025 at 10:51 PM, Mandalorianknight said: Jeez, guys. @Balrogofmorgoth was sharing a story about something nice he did for his son and everyone's acting like he's killing the theme. No, a dad buying a single copy of the battle pack for his kid's birthday isn't why the battle packs are $45. Even the general trope of parents buying the sets their kids specifically ask for is not why. There's a clear trend of clone battle packs having frontloaded sales and going on significant discount within 6 months to a year of release, and that's not because every child on the planet's birthday is in January or August. I appreciate it, brother! I think some people have lost sight of what lego collecting is all about. Especially for kids! Nothing like seeing their excitement and joy at tearing open a new lego box they’ve been desperately wanting! On 7/28/2025 at 7:39 AM, BrickPrick said: Well, the difference between a UCS and MBS set matters to me on a mere personal level. But like i said, i don't think either format is gonna work wonders as far as suddenly increasing consumer's value is concerned. Having more UCS sets like the UCS Sail Barge (or the AT-AT) containing more than the regular pair of minifigures doesn't speak against more MBS sets, though. As the latter are always based on locations, while the former are obviously ships. I more so perceive the ten-ish minifigures for more expensive UCS sets as sort of middle ground between your regular priced ones with two figs and MBS sets with a line-up of 20+ figs. I imagine it’s going to be MBS style, even if that official title is out the window. It’ll likely be labeled UCS or Collector’s Edition or something. But it’s got a ton of figures and sounds like display dioramas throughout so I suppose it’s fair enough to say it’s “MBS style” Quote
DonQuixote Posted August 2 Posted August 2 On 7/30/2025 at 4:22 PM, icm said: Airplanes all look the same, cars all look the same, Batmobiles all look the same. If you desperately need a Batmobile, why not put a black knight minifig inside a black City car and call it good? One minifig in a car has exactly the same play utility as another minifig in a car, as long as you have a little imagination. That's why Lego want you to have to imagine the Deathstar is actually spherical Quote
Yperio_Bricks Posted August 2 Posted August 2 (edited) Actually I was wrong when I was complaining about the omission of dual-molded legs in a certain 1000$ set. Actually the minifigs getting the premium treatment! Plain dark grey legs are more expensive than dual-molded legs Seriously, we don't know how they calculate the prices of these different legs, but one thing is for sure, people buy the dual-molded legs in masses from PAB, so they must be produced in masses, and that's why they are so cheap, right? Edited August 2 by Yperio_Bricks typo Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted August 2 Posted August 2 11 hours ago, CloneCommando99 said: Checkmate Clone Bros! As you can see, I have portrayed myself as the chad and you as the soyjack. I heard somewhere 15-25% of LEGOs parts in the US come from the Denamark and Vietnam factories and therefore are subject to tariffs. But I may be mistaken and Lego’s just being really greedy. Touché And people weren’t really all that hyped for either 322nd BP as it turns out. Pack it up, we've won, the august wave has been pulled from shelves and replaced with TIE avengers at every price point. No one can withstand such a debilitating blow. Yeah, it's global-scale manufacturing so we can't tell exactly what it should be, which works in lego's favor- though if the Mexico bricks are covered by the USMCA, which some base-level research would imply it is, they're definitely overcharging unless they're bringing a number of parts in from China. Yeah I don't know what market research lego's doing that implies people want the 332nd so badly. I feel like even the most die-hard clone guys would rather have a legion we DIDN'T just get. I mean I personally am cloned-out to the point that a super battle pack based on one of my favorite legions (327th) won't have me buying even at a reasonable price, but if that 2026 $20 pack was wolfpack or coruscant guard (with the hound trooper) or something I'd probably get a copy or two at some point. 2 hours ago, BrickPrick said: Yeah, i feel like some people are missing half the plot when they are gushing about the original sets being supremely superior and all. You can dislike the current downsizing all you want, or just prefer the old model, but there were pros and cons back then just like there are today. But reminiscing in nostalgia prevents some people to see the bigger picture when doing these direct comparisons. When it comes to talking everything Battle Packs, you are my designated go-to guy. So i gotta tell you, seeing the 327th one sub 30 bucks at day one is kinda tempting. If only the set itself was a little more interesting to me. Man, i'm just so tired of it all. While the pricing for other sets already sucked back in the day, you at least could resort to some amazing and much more affordable Battle Packs. When their pricing increased as well, it was a bitter pill to swallow at first, but content-wise they were still great... some aspects were even improved upon. But nowadays they are both pricy and pretty boring... so predictable. Even if the price is to my liking, i am in no rush to get it anymore, because the excitement is kinda low-level. Can easily get the 37th Clone BP way later down the line. It's the end of the world (of clone craziness) as we know it... and i feel fine. Yup- 2008 era sets were at a significantly lower level of detail. And when you account for inflation, in many cases the cost/figures ratio is worse than today. Glad to hear it, and I completely agree. 2 hours ago, Balrogofmorgoth said: I appreciate it, brother! I think some people have lost sight of what lego collecting is all about. Especially for kids! Nothing like seeing their excitement and joy at tearing open a new lego box they’ve been desperately wanting! Yup. Birthday presents aren't why these are so expensive anyway. Especially not a $45 set meant as an army-builder. 2 hours ago, Yperio_Bricks said: Actually I was wrong when I was complaining about the omission of dual-molded legs in a certain 1000$ set. Actually the minifigs getting the premium treatment! Plain dark grey legs are more expensive than dual-molded legs Seriously, we don't know how they calculate the prices of these different legs, but one thing is for sure, people buy the dual-molded legs in masses from PAB, so they must be produced in masses, and that's why they are so cheap, right? Darn, man, now you've got me wanting to mass-order these on PAB for my imperial officers. (And you know, I say that, but I just looked at my officer meeting and I only have 4 DBG officers aside from Tarkin- who I already gave dual-molded legs to off a batman. Now, if they've got LBG and Dark Tan legs with boots as well...) Quote
Yperio_Bricks Posted August 2 Posted August 2 6 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said: Darn, man, now you've got me wanting to mass-order these on PAB for my imperial officers. (And you know, I say that, but I just looked at my officer meeting and I only have 4 DBG officers aside from Tarkin- who I already gave dual-molded legs to off a batman. Now, if they've got LBG and Dark Tan legs with boots as well...) They have LBG with black boots, but it's triple the price of the DBG ones. Then they also have dark tan legs with reddish brown boots, but I don't know if that's the color combination you are looking for. These are even more expensive. Quote
Meaf Posted August 2 Posted August 2 No idea if Lego has ever commented on where exactly everything gets made, but I wouldn't be surprised if certain pieces are only produced in one factory. Making molds is expensive and stuff like a helmet or alien head that will only be used for one minifigure ever might just be cheaper to make entirely with one mold in one specific place, then ship over. Not sure that that would really fully explain the price increases but that might be part of it. If anything though I think the biggest reason for them is probably just that they don't want it to feel like they're constantly jacking up prices over the next couple years. This way they're covered if inflation keeps happening consistently, and if not then they've just made some extra money. Quote
CloneCommando99 Posted August 3 Posted August 3 (edited) Day #101 of glorious purpose of Tie Avenger posting until Lego makes one. 21 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said: At this point, we can only hope that the leakers aren’t aware of your mission, because if they are and your wish is granted, they might delay revealing it just to see what posts you can still come up with As long as it takes… 12 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: Pack it up, we've won, the august wave has been pulled from shelves and replaced with TIE avengers at every price point. No one can withstand such a debilitating blow. Next the Marvel and Batman crowd will quiver in terror as the entire 2026 Superhero lineup turns into an array of GL mechs. All with different variants of Kyle Rayner!! Edited August 3 by CloneCommando99 Quote
BrickPrick Posted August 3 Posted August 3 (edited) 21 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: Yeah I don't know what market research lego's doing that implies people want the 332nd so badly. I feel like even the most die-hard clone guys would rather have a legion we DIDN'T just get. I mean I personally am cloned-out to the point that a super battle pack based on one of my favorite legions (327th) won't have me buying even at a reasonable price, but if that 2026 $20 pack was wolfpack or coruscant guard (with the hound trooper) or something I'd probably get a copy or two at some point. Yup- 2008 era sets were at a significantly lower level of detail. And when you account for inflation, in many cases the cost/figures ratio is worse than today. Glad to hear it, and I completely agree. While i wouldn't necessarily describe myself as one of the dedicated Clone Bro's, i am generally known to be super sick of them by now. If it still has to be Clone Trooper Battle Packs, you either base it on a never before done fresh unit. Or at the very least make it a legion which hasn't shown up for a while. Or, you know... uh, stop putting clones in everything you can and provide other factions some much deserved spotlight. Yes, the price points bears mentioning too. People completely neglecting the fact that Lego was always a pretty expensive hobby. The difference is you got better balanced price ranges back then compared to here and now. So you've got your fair share of affordable sets besides the obvious overpriced stuff. Nowadays you got a lot less lows and much more highs in terms of price points. But yeah, adjusted for inflation, believe it or not, some sets either equal or are even cheaper today than they were in the past. I might as well wait to get the 327th along with the MTT, which would be a long way from now. 18 hours ago, Meaf said: No idea if Lego has ever commented on where exactly everything gets made, but I wouldn't be surprised if certain pieces are only produced in one factory. Making molds is expensive and stuff like a helmet or alien head that will only be used for one minifigure ever might just be cheaper to make entirely with one mold in one specific place, then ship over. Not sure that that would really fully explain the price increases but that might be part of it. Yes, Lego has to ship pieces which vary by color amd shape between several factories. This might be part of the reason on why they use mismatched colored pieces for some sets. As it would obviously be much cheaper for them to use wrong and locally available colors for selected parts instead of having to import the right ones from around the world every single time. 8 hours ago, CloneCommando99 said: Day #101 of glorious purpose of Tie Avenger posting until Lego makes one. As long as it takes… Next the Marvel and Batman crowd will quiver in terror as the entire 2026 Superhero lineup turns into an array of GL mechs. All with different variants of Kyle Rayner!! Good maker... While i want the TIE Avenger to happen next year as much as the next guy, i hope it won't be revealed anytime soon. Would be somewhat of a shame to potentially miss out substantially on your magnificent meme machine. Edited August 3 by BrickPrick Quote
CloneCommando99 Posted August 4 Posted August 4 17 hours ago, BrickPrick said: ood maker... While i want the TIE Avenger to happen next year as much as the next guy, i hope it won't be revealed anytime soon. Would be somewhat of a shame to potentially miss out substantially on your magnificent meme machine. Thanks. Day #102 of asking for a big beautiful Lego Tie Avenger. Quote
Rwbricks Posted August 4 Posted August 4 15 hours ago, CloneCommando99 said: Thanks. Day #102 of asking for a big beautiful Lego Tie Avenger. I really do admire your dedication. Hopefully it pays off. I do have a question, though. Out of curiosity, if a Tie Avenger were leaked (I have no insider knowledge if it’s coming), would you stop the count when it’s leaked, when it’s officially revealed, or when the set becomes available? Quote
Llewop Posted August 5 Posted August 5 8 hours ago, Rwbricks said: I really do admire your dedication. Hopefully it pays off. I do have a question, though. Out of curiosity, if a Tie Avenger were leaked (I have no insider knowledge if it’s coming), would you stop the count when it’s leaked, when it’s officially revealed, or when the set becomes available? Surely when it’s leaked/rumoured. The news of ones existence will be enough Quote
CloneCommando99 Posted August 5 Posted August 5 (edited) Day #103 of Tie Avenger hunting. 9 hours ago, Rwbricks said: I do have a question, though. Out of curiosity, if a Tie Avenger were leaked (I have no insider knowledge if it’s coming), would you stop the count when it’s leaked, when it’s officially revealed, or when the set becomes available? 42 minutes ago, Llewop said: Surely when it’s leaked/rumoured. The news of ones existence will be enough Probably when we get some concrete information from people like FalconFan, MaxBaut or LegoMinecraftGoat. But then again, I don’t want to risk a UT AT/ DS playset situation. Edited August 5 by CloneCommando99 Quote
Lordhelmet Posted August 6 Posted August 6 So I just did something fun with the juggernaut. I went to rebrickable downloaded the parts list for lego pick a brick and put the parts in Lego pick a brick. There were 21 parts missing (looking these up in brick link they all appear to be minifigures, droids, and weapons) plus a 6x6 round plate and a 1x1 round tile. The total for the parts that are available is $111.45. I view Pick a Brick as a premium cost for lego parts (I think a set should be able to sell parts cheaper than pick a brick prices). This means that Lego is placing a $48.55 price tag on the minifigures and the two round parts missing. The battle pack is similar - $19 for the parts on pick a brick (minus the droids/minifigures with one or two other parts missing) so $25 for the minifigures in that set. (oh and sticker sheets). Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted August 6 Posted August 6 1 hour ago, Lordhelmet said: So I just did something fun with the juggernaut. I went to rebrickable downloaded the parts list for lego pick a brick and put the parts in Lego pick a brick. There were 21 parts missing (looking these up in brick link they all appear to be minifigures, droids, and weapons) plus a 6x6 round plate and a 1x1 round tile. The total for the parts that are available is $111.45. I view Pick a Brick as a premium cost for lego parts (I think a set should be able to sell parts cheaper than pick a brick prices). This means that Lego is placing a $48.55 price tag on the minifigures and the two round parts missing. The battle pack is similar - $19 for the parts on pick a brick (minus the droids/minifigures with one or two other parts missing) so $25 for the minifigures in that set. (oh and sticker sheets). While this seems in line with their overpricing, I think it would be good to have this on some recent SW sets we consider better value before using this metric. Quote
CloneCommando99 Posted August 6 Posted August 6 Day #104 of Tie Avenger campaign Speaking of which, I get that many people want the 104th next year, but they’ve already been made twice. A nice, juicy Tie Avenger would come with Range Troopers who’ve only been made once and a Tie Pilot variant which has been in no way been made before, aside from the fact it’s Cassian underneath the helmet. /j (I kid of course people are entitled to their own opinions even if they’re lost) 4 hours ago, Lordhelmet said: So I just did something fun with the juggernaut. I went to rebrickable downloaded the parts list for lego pick a brick and put the parts in Lego pick a brick. There were 21 parts missing (looking these up in brick link they all appear to be minifigures, droids, and weapons) plus a 6x6 round plate and a 1x1 round tile. The total for the parts that are available is $111.45. I view Pick a Brick as a premium cost for lego parts (I think a set should be able to sell parts cheaper than pick a brick prices). This means that Lego is placing a $48.55 price tag on the minifigures and the two round parts missing. The battle pack is similar - $19 for the parts on pick a brick (minus the droids/minifigures with one or two other parts missing) so $25 for the minifigures in that set. (oh and sticker sheets). Wow. It’s even worse than I thought. Quote
Yperio_Bricks Posted August 6 Posted August 6 7 hours ago, Lordhelmet said: So I just did something fun with the juggernaut. I went to rebrickable downloaded the parts list for lego pick a brick and put the parts in Lego pick a brick. There were 21 parts missing (looking these up in brick link they all appear to be minifigures, droids, and weapons) plus a 6x6 round plate and a 1x1 round tile. The total for the parts that are available is $111.45. I view Pick a Brick as a premium cost for lego parts (I think a set should be able to sell parts cheaper than pick a brick prices). This means that Lego is placing a $48.55 price tag on the minifigures and the two round parts missing. The battle pack is similar - $19 for the parts on pick a brick (minus the droids/minifigures with one or two other parts missing) so $25 for the minifigures in that set. (oh and sticker sheets). You can not compare PAB and set costs 1:1. Don't forget the people that are picking and counting every single part in the warehouse when you make an PAB order. These manpower costs must be a big factor when it comes to PAB prices. Quote
Kaijumeister Posted August 6 Posted August 6 (edited) 3 hours ago, CloneCommando99 said: I get that many people want the 104th next year, but they’ve already been made twice. A nice, juicy Tie Avenger would come with Range Troopers who’ve only been made once and a Tie Pilot variant which has been in no way been made before, aside from the fact it’s Cassian underneath the helmet. /j (I kid of course people are entitled to their own opinions even if they’re lost). Are the Wolfpack the last major remaining clone legion people are clamouring for? Is the end truly in sight? Arguably a non-absurdly priced super battle pack would be a nice and tidy way to deliver that, heck just throw Wolffe in there too even if people will whine about it diluting the purpose of a battle pack or whatever. (Obviously) agree about the Avenger by the way. Cassian, a Range Trooper, and a Stormtrooper would be the perfect minifigure lineup. The Sienar Test Pilot outfit looks so cool. I’m burned out on clones as much as the next person but I need a General Anakin Skywalker figure now to put next to Obi-Wan from the V-19. A Phase 1 Captain Rex would be great too but I really need that Anakin. After that my TCW itch is scratched. Edited August 6 by Kaijumeister Quote
Lordhelmet Posted August 6 Posted August 6 (edited) 2 hours ago, Yperio_Bricks said: You can not compare PAB and set costs 1:1. Don't forget the people that are picking and counting every single part in the warehouse when you make an PAB order. These manpower costs must be a big factor when it comes to PAB prices. Agreed, my assumption is that parts in sets are much cheaper than PAB (and should be). PAB is the most expensive way to get parts directly from Lego. That’s why I found it so interesting that the juggernaut prices is interesting. @Mandalorianknight agreed this is a very small sample and would need to be compared. I don’t think this is a good pricing model because PAB should be Legos most expensive way to buy bricks, sets should be cheaper. I think the best measurement is weight based for sets, but I would like to see how other sets line up (the juggernaut also had more available bricks than I was expecting, some sets might be missing more in PAB due to color availability) edit: grogu with hover Pram is only missing 6 parts - total PAB cost is $124 this is how I would expect PAB prices to line up. k-2so is missing 10 part numbers (so maybe 40 parts total) and is $102 again lines up like I would expect more expensive. Plus none of these have printed parts or their one minifigure in the PAB store so arguably the most expensive parts are the ones missing. Edited August 6 by Lordhelmet Quote
BrickPrick Posted August 6 Posted August 6 (edited) 10 hours ago, Lordhelmet said: So I just did something fun with the juggernaut. I went to rebrickable downloaded the parts list for lego pick a brick and put the parts in Lego pick a brick. There were 21 parts missing (looking these up in brick link they all appear to be minifigures, droids, and weapons) plus a 6x6 round plate and a 1x1 round tile. The total for the parts that are available is $111.45. I view Pick a Brick as a premium cost for lego parts (I think a set should be able to sell parts cheaper than pick a brick prices). This means that Lego is placing a $48.55 price tag on the minifigures and the two round parts missing. The battle pack is similar - $19 for the parts on pick a brick (minus the droids/minifigures with one or two other parts missing) so $25 for the minifigures in that set. (oh and sticker sheets). I get that literally tearing apart any given set to break down the overall costs, like if X is this - Y has to be that, can be quite funny. But as much as the consumer wants to believe it, you do know that it doesn't really work that way, do you? To some extent, you pay for everything that Lego does. The work hours from concept to creation of their employees, the logistics, the licensing fees, a little extra due to corporate greed... every aspect is accounted for. The actual production costs got to be but a fraction of the overall asking price. But yeah, I'm probably not telling anything new in that regard. 6 hours ago, CloneCommando99 said: I get that many people want the 104th next year, but they’ve already been made twice. A nice, juicy Tie Avenger would come with Range Troopers who’ve only been made once and a Tie Pilot variant which has been in no way been made before, aside from the fact it’s Cassian underneath the helmet. /j (I kid of course people are entitled to their own opinions even if they’re lost) At this point in time, i would take no amount of clones over an actual TIE Avenger. 2 hours ago, Kaijumeister said: Are the Wolfpack the last major remaining clone legion people are clamouring for? Is the end truly in sight? Arguably a non-absurdly priced super battle pack would be a nice and tidy way to deliver that, heck just throw Wolffe in there too even if people will whine about it diluting the purpose of a battle pack or whatever. (Obviously) agree about the Avenger by the way. Cassian, a Range Trooper, and a Stormtrooper would be the perfect minifigure lineup. The Sienar Test Pilot outfit looks so cool. I’m burned out on clones as much as the next person but I need a General Anakin Skywalker figure now to put next to Obi-Wan from the V-19. A Phase 1 Captain Rex would be great too but I really need that Anakin. After that my TCW itch is scratched. As long as TCW sets are selling well, i doubt that Lego has any incentive to stop pumping them out... independent of how many legions are remaining for the 2020s style. The best example of them getting crazily creative will be the upcoming Battle Pack with yet another inclusion of the 332nd division. So no... as much as we would like it to, i don't think the end is in sight just yet. I want that treaty signed... I want that Range Trooper with a bulky looking rocket launcher. Yes. Kind of a shame we didn't already get him in Ahsoka's Jedi Interceptor early this year. For a set this overpriced it would have been reasonable to get some arm printing, regardless of possible continuity errors of the minifigure's version in question. Edited August 6 by BrickPrick Quote
Lordhelmet Posted August 6 Posted August 6 55 minutes ago, BrickPrick said: I get that literally tearing apart any given set to break down the overall costs, like if X is this - Y has to be that, can be quite funny. But as much as the consumer wants to believe it, you do know that it doesn't really work that way, do you? To some extent, you pay for everything that Lego does. The work hours from concept to creation of their employees, the logistics, the licensing fees, a little extra due to corporate greed... every aspect is accounted for. The actual production costs got to be but a fraction of the overall asking price. But yeah, I'm probably not telling anything new in that regard Correct nothing new, but it is fun to gain insights into their pricing practices. And unless they share explicit details on their internal pricing, overhead rates, what their loss leaders are (if they even have any), licensing fees, etc., (which would never happen) we only have insights like this to see how they are pricing things. (We also can see competitors pricing to gain a sense of the market). So just a fun exercise trying to make sense of the most expensive product within the market as they raise prices higher (just like us all looking at price per piece or per gram). Quote
Llewop Posted August 6 Posted August 6 (edited) Apparently there are some more details about the Death Star including a lift and a laser that extends out like an old school Toy lightsaber don’t recognise the leaker so not sure if it’s legit. And also only 5 more figures to be revealed. But I think we kind of knew that already? Edited August 6 by Llewop Quote
CallumPears Posted August 6 Posted August 6 1 hour ago, Llewop said: Apparently there are some more details about the Death Star including a lift and a laser that extends out like an old school Toy lightsaber don’t recognise the leaker so not sure if it’s legit. And also only 5 more figures to be revealed. But I think we kind of knew that already? If you look at the first letter of each line in the leak it spells fake so either it's a cheeky joke or it simply is fake. But yeah we knew there were a few more figures cut off (and have reasonable guesses as to what they are) Quote
Llewop Posted August 6 Posted August 6 13 minutes ago, CallumPears said: If you look at the first letter of each line in the leak it spells fake so either it's a cheeky joke or it simply is fake. But yeah we knew there were a few more figures cut off (and have reasonable guesses as to what they are) I did wonder how they would pull off the laser not going to lie. And the lift as well seemed very random feature. When I saw it no one on Reddit had called it out as fake at the time maybe we are all a little too eager for news Quote
BrickBob Studpants Posted August 6 Posted August 6 11 hours ago, Kaijumeister said: Cassian, a Range Trooper, and a Stormtrooper would be the perfect minifigure lineup. The Sienar Test Pilot outfit looks so cool. Couldn‘t agree more They don‘t usually miss the opportunity to do new TIE variants, nor can they say no to new Trooper variants (ignoring the Incinerator Trooper and Tank Driver), so I‘d be pretty surprised if the TIE Avenger doesn‘t end up getting made eventually. Easily the most toyetic thing in the entire show besides the Fondor! The question is only if that‘s actually the upcoming $70 set. The timing, price, and hints about it being an awesome set definitely fit the bill, but it‘s too soon to get our hopes up just yet Quote
AD_Bricks Posted August 6 Posted August 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, BrickBob Studpants said: but it‘s too soon to get our hopes up just yet It's much too late to avoid that, I'm already struggling to envision a timeline in which the $70 set is anything other than a TIE Avenger. My hopes are WAY up. It would be very rude of The LEGO Group® to do anything other than reveal a TIE Avenger as the upcoming $70 set for January 2026. They wouldn't do that, would they? Edited August 6 by AD_Bricks Quote
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