Mandalorianknight Posted July 27 Posted July 27 1 hour ago, Classic_Spaceman said: I wonder if it will be a vertically-cut hemisphere? The set could be designed to mount on a wall, but also have interior scenes that are visible if displayed on a table. This gives multiple display options, and actually makes more sense than a giant ball or a big Kenner-style playset diorama. I thought about this, but you would need a pretty large stand, potentially heavily integrated into the actual model, even if you deform the bottom shape a bit like the 2008/2016 models do. A chill goes down my spine just thinking about a $1000 half-sphere falling over. Without the second half of the sphere, that thing would be constantly on the verge of tipping over without a huge stand either meshed heavily into the technic skeleton or extending out with spikes supporting the DS closer to the outer equator. Quote
Darth Malgus Posted July 27 Posted July 27 I've watched some YT clips and seen the socials, same as everyone here and have some thoughts (not too dissimilar to everyone here). Shape: Box - would be an epic fail, possibly the biggest act of self sabotage ever. Slice/section - would be hard to make it work, however it may work, for 9000+ pieces it would need to be the creme de la creme of diorama design (not too sure the current team is capable of it). Sphere - iconic, accurate, just right and plainly the way it should've been. Minifigs: The lack of dual moulded legs on certain characters is appalling for what will be the most expensive set ever. The Hot Tub Stormtrooper is the biggest joke ever, save it for the rebuild the galaxy line or something. This set should've given us all the best versions of each character ever, not the b-list of some. The eyes on Palpatine look awful, just stop doing it... Those imps better have the insignias and cannisters correct... Perhaps take a look at using the elongated legs for Chewie, worth a look and probably puts him at the right scale. When you consider that there are no aliens like The Cantina everything should be the best. Build: Better not include stickers. When you're breaking the bank in what you ask, everything needs to be detailed and technical. Only painted pieces should be included. New moulds - you'd expect a few in a set this size. Techniques - hopefully there are some real doozies. Perhaps Lego doclighting for the first time properly? I just can't fathom the own goal this set would be if the rumours are true. What would be a day 1 purchase for me would be a prime day sale or May the 4th next year at the earliest, irrespective of GWP. With all the points I had, I'll put them to better use elsewhere. I honestly hope that TLG shelve it for 2 years, work on a sphere and do something appropriate for the 50th anniversary, otherwise I think this may be a further nail towards TLG killing this theme. This year has had some of the best sets conceptually but realised so horribly that its starting to take the fun out of the hobby... Quote
Nokturn Posted July 27 Posted July 27 With all of the info we have at the moment, this is reminding me a lot of what happened with 76252 Batcave Shadow Box. I was so excited for that set... until we actually started learning what it was. Really baffling design decisions from TLG all around. I honestly don't know what they're thinking by making this anything other than a full sphere. This makes no sense. Quote
Kit Figsto Posted July 27 Posted July 27 (edited) 13 hours ago, Darth_Bane13 said: I like how they still use the same royal guard helmet from 2001, it's pretty much perfect. At this point, how many original SW molds are still around and in use? I count the battle droid head/body/legs, Qui-Gon's hair, Royal Guard helmet, Astromech bodies/heads/legs, lightsaber hilts, and I think that's it? Obviously, there's some newer ones that haven't had time to be re-molded or updated, but of the ones going back 20-25 years, it seems like that's it. Kind of impressive that some of them, like battle droids, Astromechs, and lightsabers, have held up this long, as they got them pretty much perfectly the first time around. 33 minutes ago, Darth Malgus said: When you consider that there are no aliens like The Cantina everything should be the best. This is a good point. I'm not usually too upset with small details on minifigures being not 100% accurate, but I agree that if this set is the most expensive one ever, it should be as close to perfect as possible. I own two MBS/UCS sets, the Cantina and Cloud City, both of which were $350, and the figures are pretty much perfect in those. The Cantina alone had, I believe, three new minfiigure part molds, two of which are fairly unlikely to appear again (Ponda Baba probably has to show up again at some point, but I highly doubt it with Labria, and Garindan is like 50/50 at best), and Cloud City had pretty much the best possible versions of Han, Lando, and Boba Fett ever made, not to mention Bespin Leia, Luke, and brand new Cloud Car pilot designs with a new helmet mold. Edited July 27 by Kit Figsto Quote
CloneCommando99 Posted July 27 Posted July 27 Rise up this morning, smiled with the rising sun Three Tie Avengers pitch by my doorstep Singing sweet songs of melodies pure and true Saying, "This is my message to you-ou-ou" "Don't worry about a thing 'Cause we little things gonna get made" Singing, "Don't worry about a thing" (Don't worry) "'Cause we little things gonna get made" (Day #94) As for the recent DS developments Quote
SEmrys Posted July 27 Posted July 27 What's most curious to me is that even if it is round rather than rectangular, going off those measurements it can't even be a perfect split down the center as the depth isn't quite half of the width or the height, right? And if there is a stand like some of the basic drawings suggested, how does that work on a less-than-half a sphere? When this was first rumoured I dismissed it as something I would never buy. But more recently I've been considering selling off some sets and spent the day before yesterday and yesterday morning considering getting rid of them and replacing them with this. One big set, sat on the end of my desk instead of multiple others taking up space and storage. Then the news came out bit by bit and that idea quickly evaporated. Oh well. Quote
Tariq j Posted July 27 Posted July 27 3 hours ago, Kit Figsto said: At this point, how many original SW molds are still around and in use? I count the battle droid head/body/legs, Qui-Gon's hair, Royal Guard helmet, Astromech bodies/heads/legs, lightsaber hilts, and I think that's it? Obviously, there's some newer ones that haven't had time to be re-molded or updated, but of the ones going back 20-25 years, it seems like that's it. Kind of impressive that some of them, like battle droids, Astromechs, and lightsabers, have held up this long, as they got them pretty much perfectly the first time around. I think there’s the protocol droid headpiece and the Gungan/Jar Jar headpiece(?) but otherwise I can’t think of anymore. Quote
CallumPears Posted July 27 Posted July 27 8 hours ago, Classic_Spaceman said: Edit: Upon closer inspection of the first images, Vader is actually RotJ, not ANH! 🤬 This makes him yet another lazy reuse, and we still do not have an ANH Vader in production! I really just hope that the ANH torso does not get paywalled behind the GWP, though I can absolutely see that happening now! Not sure what you mean by this; the current standard Vader design is not from RotJ. The only ESB/RotJ Vader we've ever had is the original 1999-2007 design. The modern Vader, like what they've done with the Clones, is a mixture of multiple depictions and as far as I'm aware is not accurate to any of his designs. 4 hours ago, Kit Figsto said: At this point, how many original SW molds are still around and in use? I count the battle droid head/body/legs, Qui-Gon's hair, Royal Guard helmet, Astromech bodies/heads/legs, lightsaber hilts, and I think that's it? [...] and brand new Cloud Car pilot designs with a new helmet mold. Minor corrections: They actually did slightly change the Astromech bodies, adding a cross-axle hole in the bottom after a couple of years. (I suppose you could say the same for the battle droids who had minor changes to their torsos, but those didn't have much of a functional effect.) The Cloud Car pilot's helmet is a reuse from a Rogue One rebel. Quote
BrickPrick Posted July 27 Posted July 27 Oh well, what can i say... Lego doing Lego things is hardly surprising. Although you would assume that if they ask people to break the bank for a single set, they would be inclined to raise the quality bar to a certain level as well. But no... they won't have it anymore. Will reserve my final judgement as soon as some official images or non potato-camera leaks drop, but it doesn't look extremely encouraging right now. And yes, despite having to make different design decision based on a limited budget, deadlines and all that jazz, there absolutely should be some set rules tied to a justified quality standard. If you release the ultimate version of a single minifigure, you better release it in every other even more expensive set releasing afterwards without exception or excuse. Imagine paying top dollar for what is supposed to be a premium product and just getting the bare minimum out of any minifigure. That's what happened to the UCS Sail Barge... only now it's twice the price (double the greed). Quote
ForgedInLego Posted July 27 Posted July 27 I am actually ok with a half sphere if done properly, if I recall correctly the actual DSII filming model was only complete around 60% of the way around. I have the GWP DSII and it really only has one interesting side, so no loss there. And everyone saying that it will be impossible structurally, there isn't really a reason the stand HAS to be exactly on the south pole, stability is still possible BUT 27 cm wide? For a 70 cm sphere? Less than half? I'm not sure how this can possibly look good, but we'll see I guess The quality of the build is much more of a deal breaker for me than any of the minifig details Quote
CloneCommando99 Posted July 27 Posted July 27 Someone at Lego let the Marvel UCS designer loose on this one. Quote
CallumPears Posted July 27 Posted July 27 Heads up that the post on the legostarwarsleaks subreddit showing a 2D schematic of the Death Star (2 circles, one of the front and the other of the back with rectangle cutouts and text labelling various rooms) is fake. The OP even says it's not a real leak on the post but from the title and picture it's definitely presented like one. Quote
Darth Malgus Posted July 27 Posted July 27 55 minutes ago, CloneCommando99 said: Someone at Lego let the Marvel UCS designer loose on this one. I agree, when I think of the last few UCS sets, there are faults with them. Gunship had no Clone pilot, a big misstep. Sail Barge, missed Yakface, would've been perfect for it. Razor crest, no moulded Bluurg. A third X-wing, that has a sensitive nose body construction. I think the Landspeeder and A-Wing have been 2 of my more enjoyable builds recently. Quote
astroboy75 Posted July 27 Posted July 27 Ok if the radius is 27 cm then the sphere has a diameter of 54. Let’s say it has a strong base of 16 cm high, and maybe a beam of 25 cm. With that we get the dimensions announced of 70 x 79 x 27 cm. With a diameter of 54 cm we are a little over the previous 41 cm of the 10188 Quote
Lobot Posted July 27 Posted July 27 I’m going to reserve judgment until I see the set, but it doesn’t sound too promising. I assume from the various comments that it’s going to be a cross/cut-section of it, hence the odd dimensions, and they’ve effectively spliced a series of ‘diorama-style sections’ together (e.g. conference room, cells, throne room, central core etc). The only question is whether it will actually be rectangular, or if they’ve add a curved external frame to it. It’s such a shame if the rumours are correct, I’ve been really looking forward to buying this… all I wanted was an up-scaled 10143! Quote
Darth_Bane13 Posted July 27 Posted July 27 11 hours ago, Kit Figsto said: At this point, how many original SW molds are still around and in use? I count the battle droid head/body/legs, Qui-Gon's hair, Royal Guard helmet, Astromech bodies/heads/legs, lightsaber hilts, and I think that's it? Obviously, there's some newer ones that haven't had time to be re-molded or updated, but of the ones going back 20-25 years, it seems like that's it. Kind of impressive that some of them, like battle droids, Astromechs, and lightsabers, have held up this long, as they got them pretty much perfectly the first time around. Rebel pilot helmets are the same, I thought the 2018 ones were more accurate though. Quote
icm Posted July 27 Posted July 27 The laser cannon parts and the 6x12 wedge plates introduced in 1999 are still used on the Force Burner Snowspeeder. Quote
Classic_Spaceman Posted July 27 Posted July 27 15 hours ago, Darth_Bane13 said: The set is partly based off of ROTJ so technically it is accurate, it would be nice to get the correct torso for ANH Vader eventually though. I mean that we should be getting two versions of Vader - One ANH, and one RotJ. 9 hours ago, CallumPears said: Not sure what you mean by this; the current standard Vader design is not from RotJ. The only ESB/RotJ Vader we've ever had is the original 1999-2007 design. I was mostly referring to the placement of the robe in relation to the armour (ANH has robe over armour, while RotJ has armour over robe). You are right that the current Vader Minifig is not accurate to any specific design, as he has the green chest box light from RotS/ANH, but the red switch (and placement thereof) of ESB/RotJ. Quote
Meaf Posted July 27 Posted July 27 Very baffling set based on everything we know. Even assuming it's a half-sphere or something along those lines, I still can't imagine it looking more impressive than the old Death Star? Also though I am a bit confused by this talk of it being a rectangle. As far as I can tell no one reliable has said that, so I'm not sure why that rumor got so much traction. To be fair though it would be very funny if it was true. Only other thing I wanted to comment on is the Hot Tub Stormtrooper, personally I'm a bit disappointed by his inclusion. Not because I think it's a bad choice, but I would just rather have him elsewhere since now there's no chance of me ever getting him. Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted July 27 Posted July 27 8 hours ago, ForgedInLego said: I am actually ok with a half sphere if done properly, if I recall correctly the actual DSII filming model was only complete around 60% of the way around. I have the GWP DSII and it really only has one interesting side, so no loss there. And everyone saying that it will be impossible structurally, there isn't really a reason the stand HAS to be exactly on the south pole, stability is still possible But the stand (which yeah, as you say, could not work if it was just near the pole) would have to be a massive chunk of the piece count/weight and cover a significant portion of the lower half of the sphere and/or have spikes extending all the way to the equator. 6 hours ago, CloneCommando99 said: Someone at Lego let the Marvel UCS designer loose on this one. Seriously. Just need Ransom Fern to come in and fix it again like he's done with those. 5 hours ago, Darth Malgus said: I agree, when I think of the last few UCS sets, there are faults with them. Gunship had no Clone pilot, a big misstep. Sail Barge, missed Yakface, would've been perfect for it. Razor crest, no moulded Bluurg. To be fair, when it comes to multi-hundred dollar UCS sets, I don't thing a single figure or not making a new mold for the creature that occasionally went in the ship's hold are big missteps. 1 hour ago, icm said: The laser cannon parts and the 6x12 wedge plates introduced in 1999 are still used on the Force Burner Snowspeeder. At that point we may well bring up the lightsaber blade element as well. 4 minutes ago, Meaf said: Very baffling set based on everything we know. Even assuming it's a half-sphere or something along those lines, I still can't imagine it looking more impressive than the old Death Star? Also though I am a bit confused by this talk of it being a rectangle. As far as I can tell no one reliable has said that, so I'm not sure why that rumor got so much traction. To be fair though it would be very funny if it was true. Only other thing I wanted to comment on is the Hot Tub Stormtrooper, personally I'm a bit disappointed by his inclusion. Not because I think it's a bad choice, but I would just rather have him elsewhere since now there's no chance of me ever getting him. Get.Cooped said it, AFAIK he's fairly reliable. And yeah even as a half sphere it'll look rough. Not only that, but it's only a hot tub stormtrooper in concept, it's not accurate to any of the hot tub trooper designs we've had in the games. Quote
Lordhelmet Posted July 27 Posted July 27 1 hour ago, Meaf said: Also though I am a bit confused by this talk of it being a rectangle. As far as I can tell no one reliable has said that, so I'm not sure why that rumor got so much traction I think I’ve heard rectangle foot print (top down) (mandr just did a video on the rumors) he states that he heard a few months ago it’s essentially a slice of the Death Star, so rectangle foot print with a spherically shape/ outline and then a bunch of scenes vignettes. I think that’s where the two rumors converged. So not like a half a Death Star but a cut out from the Death Star. Seeing pictures will clear it all up but it not being a Death Star is sad. Quote
Flawless Cowboy Posted July 27 Posted July 27 The penny pinching on the figures in this set astounds me. Even when other themes deliver underwhelming big budget builds, like the LOTR Shire, the figures are treated with the utmost respect, dual molded everything. If this set is a diorama, the figures are even more crucial to the display value of the build because there is no iconic spherical silhouette to mask the interior. The figures ARE the exterior detailing now, and the depressing thing is that we can’t even say “well maybe someday they’ll get it right”, because it’s a $1,000 toy. It literally can’t be a more appropriate opportunity to deliver the best renditions of these characters. This is it, LSW with this set is essentially saying, “this is the best your money can afford in this theme”. Money is no longer the issue, it’s the people making these decisions who are the limiting factor. Quote
Sucram Posted July 27 Posted July 27 I dont see why Lego cant just make another display Death Star. The playset ones are cool and all, but I want the real deal. Its been 20 years since the DS2. Just do that again but bigger. Quote
Balrogofmorgoth Posted July 27 Posted July 27 (edited) Guys my son is turning 8 in a few days, and he wants the 327th battle pack for his birthday so badly. I found one of them early at Target and did not get street dated! Got his name on it. Couldn’t be happier. Gonna be so hard to get a hold of this for a while I think Edited July 27 by Balrogofmorgoth Quote
Darth_Bane13 Posted July 27 Posted July 27 27 minutes ago, Balrogofmorgoth said: Guys my son is turning 8 in a few days, and he wants the 327th battle pack for his birthday so badly. I found one of them early at Target and did not get street dated! Got his name on it. Couldn’t be happier. Gonna be so hard to get a hold of this for a while I think And this is why we have $45 battle packs Quote
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