2025 Castle [wishlist/speculation]

[Black Falcon]

34 minutes ago, zoth33 said:

The creator said there is a chance that he may change the faction.  

I would actually take it as granted since the minifigs included in it will retire this year.

[Lion King]

11 hours ago, Cyprinus said:

Yes, they are moulded - in place of minifigs. A unique exception for a 3-in-1.

Right but we ahve a new unicorn mold wiht existing foal molds while we ahve minifigures with buildable horses in other set. It’s pretty ironic. 

[karrit]

It would be interesting if he could switch it to the new torso they are making for the Snake Knight in the Creator set.  It would go well with the heraldry he used on his banners and fit well with the desert theming.

[Black Falcon]

1 hour ago, karrit said:

It would be interesting if he could switch it to the new torso they are making for the Snake Knight in the Creator set.  It would go well with the heraldry he used on his banners and fit well with the desert theming.

It will be either that or one of the other castle Torsos, but the snake might be the most likely option

[hikouki]

23 hours ago, DonQuixote said:

Dustmark Keep has been chosen for BDP 8 !

It will be a great castle for the Snake faction! 

Woohoo!!! So excited for this!!!

23 hours ago, zoth33 said:

The creator said there is a chance that he may change the faction.  

Well, I think majority of fans voted not only because they liked the idea of a desert-based castle, but because they had already imagined it to be the home of the Snakes!!!

23 hours ago, zoth33 said:

The designer said it's a possibility on Reddit.  He was thanking everyone for their support and people asked if he could change the faction and he said it is possible.  

Many have speculated that the dark castle in the background of the Horse Knight box could be a future D2C that is the home of the Snakes? Perhaps this played a role in the designer's decision???

[zoth33]

23 minutes ago, hikouki said:

Woohoo!!! So excited for this!!!

Well, I think majority of fans voted not only because they liked the idea of a desert-based castle, but because they had already imagined it to be the home of the Snakes!!!

Many have speculated that the dark castle in the background of the Horse Knight box could be a future D2C that is the home of the Snakes? Perhaps this played a role in the designer's decision???

It sounded like with all these new factions coming out he is definitely looking into changing the faction to something else but he didn't say exactly but did kind of hint towards the snake knight as it also has purple accents that would match the colors he used in his original design.  

[Black Falcon]

52 minutes ago, hikouki said:

Well, I think majority of fans voted not only because they liked the idea of a desert-based castle, but because they had already imagined it to be the home of the Snakes!!!

I would think most people just voted for it because they liked it for what it is - maybe some thought it would be cool for the Snake Knights but the majority seems a bit far stretched to me ;).

28 minutes ago, zoth33 said:

It sounded like with all these new factions coming out he is definitely looking into changing the faction to something else but he didn't say exactly but did kind of hint towards the snake knight as it also has purple accents that would match the colors he used in his original design.  

Yeah they had purple accents - but they are really minor compared to the tax collector and the yellow from their shield is way more prominent and would be the factions main colour - unless they just switch the knights out without the shields of course, but that would actually be a shame, if you have the chance to include printed shields, I would totally want them to be included. So I wouldn´t be surprised if the minifigures isn´t the only thing changing for the set, though of course they will want to still keep it close to what people voted for.

[TeriXeri]

Serpent knights definately need some followup set outside the BDP, but of course it makes sense they can change some BDP elements before final product goes on sale,

The set does feature a Lion Knight and Wolfpack, but I guess it partly depends on 2026.

I can see Wolfpack torso probably stays in production if they do something with them + black knights, and the lion knight can always change to a horse knight or something.

(or they can produce extra parts in advance for this set of course)

Edited June 15 by TeriXeri

[hikouki]

52 minutes ago, Black Falcon said:

I would think most people just voted for it because they liked it for what it is - maybe some thought it would be cool for the Snake Knights but the majority seems a bit far stretched to me ;).

Yeah they had purple accents - but they are really minor compared to the tax collector and the yellow from their shield is way more prominent and would be the factions main colour - unless they just switch the knights out without the shields of course, but that would actually be a shame, if you have the chance to include printed shields, I would totally want them to be included. So I wouldn´t be surprised if the minifigures isn´t the only thing changing for the set, though of course they will want to still keep it close to what people voted for.

I only say majority because of all the comments on Reddit. ;p

I think black might also be a dominant color for the Snakes.

Black and blue seem to be default colors for Black Falcons but Lego released a BAM alternate with silver chain mail and dark red (printed on cape). So who knows what actual colors Snakes would be.

Crow is already bright light orange and black.

22 minutes ago, TeriXeri said:

Serpent knights definately need some followup set outside the BDP, but of course it makes sense they can change some BDP elements before final product goes on sale,

The set does feature a Lion Knight and Wolfpack, but I guess it partly depends on 2026.

I can see Wolfpack torso probably stays in production if they do something with them + black knights, and the lion knight can always change to a horse knight or something.

(or they can produce extra parts in advance for this set of course)

One of the future BDP releases will include a Wolf Pack 'tower'. Together with Howling Rock from RB, you could make a sort of 'two towers' off of them. LOL

[TeriXeri]

27 minutes ago, hikouki said:

One of the future BDP releases will include a Wolf Pack 'tower'. Together with Howling Rock from RB, you could make a sort of 'two towers' off of them. LOL

True.

Overall ,  I wonder about what factions would be included in a possible next Icons set (beside Wolfpack or Black Knights fitting to be next up)

Timeline wise of the original sets :

• Lion Knights / Forestmen last seen in 1992 catalogues.
• Falcons still appeared with the Sea Serpent in 1994 catalogues.
• Wolfpack were still sold in 1996 (dragon knight figure pack).

Forestmen had a GWP,  and were featured in Lion Knights Castle. 

Falcons did have the most sets with Medieval Blacksmith, 3-in-1 Castle, also in LKC, and CMF falconer.

Lion Knights had the biggest icons set and had a figure and an oval shield in medieval town square, I think a remake of the double axe torso would be nice to see before they go.

Leaving out BDP sets here, but if they are included, forestmen had 2 castles, falcons had Castle + Siege Camp, Lions had the Harbour (and color swap option for Siege Camp). (of course highly influenced by in production parts), as Castle in the Forest had stickered shield as Forestmen had not officially come back yet.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 15 by TeriXeri

[Black Falcon]

50 minutes ago, TeriXeri said:

(or they can produce extra parts in advance for this set of course)

The question is, if they would do it. So far past sets have had some changes due to sets retiring earlier than originally planned - but so far I remember no retired part that still showed up in a BDP set - though I am no expert to parts so that wouldn´t have to mean much. 

[TeriXeri]

35 minutes ago, Black Falcon said:

The question is, if they would do it. So far past sets have had some changes due to sets retiring earlier than originally planned - but so far I remember no retired part that still showed up in a BDP set - though I am no expert to parts so that wouldn´t have to mean much. 

I think the sets are indeed restricted to a list given to them by LEGO, each submission phase gets their "palette" list. 

Use only parts found in the current official BrickLink Designer Program palette for the intake period you’re submitting for (e.g., ‘BDP Series 6’).  

Exception being stickers.

 

I just checked the Studio program, which has the BDP list for BDP 5 to 8, and there are definately differences between them. BDP 5 notably has 4 Pirate torsos, peg leg and skull print hat, (mostly from the 3-in-1 pirate ship set), and also forestmen, falcons and a second lion option, BDP 6 onwards only has 1 lion, 1 wolfpack, 1 pirate torso option (which makes sense if they are sold/shipped in/near 2026 probably)

 

 

I will definately check in September and beyond when they open up BDP 9 submissions, and see if  more minifig parts are added.

 

Edited June 15 by TeriXeri

[hikouki]

It would indeed be interesting which Castle themes Lego decides to resurrect.

The GWP contest has Dragon Knights in it.

More interesting still is if Lego would introduce more new factions, apart from this year's Horse and Snake.

[TeriXeri]

41 minutes ago, hikouki said:

It would indeed be interesting which Castle themes Lego decides to resurrect.

The GWP contest has Dragon Knights in it.

More interesting still is if Lego would introduce more new factions, apart from this year's Horse and Snake.

Yeah I think BDP isn't the best indicator to predict things, but those brick lists in the Studio program  do give insight on why some designs have, or don't have certain parts or colors or prints.

Series 6 7 and 8 only have Dark Orange horse, as that's the only color in the lists for example, while the list of series 5 had brown and tan as well .

The Shire has the dark orange horse so it's not retired next year, so that make sense for it to be available, but for the other colors:

• White - harry potter , somehow not available
• Tan - Lion Knight's Castle (retiring, pretty much confirmed with falcons,forestmen, and lion queen torsos not being available for BDP series 6-8)
• Brown - found in 2022 version of 2000430 Identity and Landscape Kit (so probably retiring or getting updated again at some point, as it also contains transparent neon orange parts which is a retired color)

Still, it doesn't say anything about future parts or sets, it just somewhat explains the BDP designs a bit.

 

 

Edited June 16 by TeriXeri

[Black Falcon]

17 hours ago, TeriXeri said:

I think the sets are indeed restricted to a list given to them by LEGO, each submission phase gets their "palette" list. 

Yes, but that is not what I meant. I meant, even though the sets are built with a certain palette, which is based on whether the parts will retire because they won´t be avaiable in any set anymore, those production plans change with time and a set - such as the medieval market square - retires earlier. So parts that were in the palette and could be used for the the model people voted for, might still not be avaiable for the final product, thus there have been some changes in previous series between the vote and the preorder period. 

And to get back to the market square, it will be interesting to see how it´s retirement will affect future series. I mean next series includes the Wolfpack tower, but the wolfpack torso will retire before production of this set begins - the Alchimist shop from series 7 and the castle and pirate Sets from series 8 also use a lot torsi from that set.

[TeriXeri]

1 hour ago, Black Falcon said:

Yes, but that is not what I meant. I meant, even though the sets are built with a certain palette, which is based on whether the parts will retire because they won´t be avaiable in any set anymore, those production plans change with time and a set - such as the medieval market square - retires earlier. So parts that were in the palette and could be used for the the model people voted for, might still not be avaiable for the final product, thus there have been some changes in previous series between the vote and the preorder period. 

And to get back to the market square, it will be interesting to see how it´s retirement will affect future series. I mean next series includes the Wolfpack tower, but the wolfpack torso will retire before production of this set begins - the Alchimist shop from series 7 and the castle and pirate Sets from series 8 also use a lot torsi from that set.

Yes, exactly this one in the FAQ: 

• What happens between Review and Crowdfunding? Why does that take so long?

After Crowd Voting, the BDP Design Team works with fan designers to refine the models to meet our requirements for model safety, stability, and building experience

We also refine the building instructions and modify the models in case an element from the BDP Palette will no longer be available for production. This is something we do everything to avoid, but is ultimately outside our control.

Edited June 16 by TeriXeri

[Black Falcon]

19 hours ago, TeriXeri said:

Yes, exactly this one in the FAQ: 

• What happens between Review and Crowdfunding? Why does that take so long?

After Crowd Voting, the BDP Design Team works with fan designers to refine the models to meet our requirements for model safety, stability, and building experience

We also refine the building instructions and modify the models in case an element from the BDP Palette will no longer be available for production. This is something we do everything to avoid, but is ultimately outside our control.

Yeah. I guess we will see in three months what will happen to the wolfpack tower. If they would actually stay the same, I would take it as a hint that we might get a set including them in the future - though not even sure if they would let them go through even if there are plans for a future use of them.

[Artanis I]

19 hours ago, Black Falcon said:

Yeah. I guess we will see in three months what will happen to the wolfpack tower. If they would actually stay the same, I would take it as a hint that we might get a set including them in the future - though not even sure if they would let them go through even if there are plans for a future use of them.

1 dude appearing in a black knight castle would work

[GeoBrick]

The preorders window for the Wolfpack Tower is early October, so even if the Wolfpack torso is discontinued after December 2025, it gives the LEGO factories plenty of time to produce and print a batch for the set.
They'd only need an extra 150,000 or so (perhaps 250,000 if 50,000 copies will be made available as with the Adventure in Transylvania set) to fulfill the orders.

[Black Falcon]

3 hours ago, Artanis I said:

1 dude appearing in a black knight castle would work

Of course, but the point was we don´t even know if Lego would include them even if they were planning to bring the figure in another set - to not spill the beans about its return for instance.

1 hour ago, GeoBrick said:

The preorders window for the Wolfpack Tower is early October, so even if the Wolfpack torso is discontinued after December 2025, it gives the LEGO factories plenty of time to produce and print a batch for the set.
They'd only need an extra 150,000 or so (perhaps 250,000 if 50,000 copies will be made available as with the Adventure in Transylvania set) to fulfill the orders.

Which again, isn´t something they have done for other parts in other BDP sets, so of course they could do it - but will they?

[GeoBrick]

1 hour ago, Black Falcon said:

Which again, isn´t something they have done for other parts in other BDP sets, so of course they could do it - but will they?

Why wouldn't they? It would be for a large amount of pre-ordered sets. In any case, we'll be sure once info on the finished set is made public by late September/early October, and the updated pictures show the minifigs in the set.

[Black Falcon]

1 hour ago, GeoBrick said:

Why wouldn't they? It would be for a large amount of pre-ordered sets. In any case, we'll be sure once info on the finished set is made public by late September/early October, and the updated pictures show the minifigs in the set.

Well the sets aren´t preordered yet and until production there is still a long time left where you would have to store them all - or rather use the space for new pieces.

[GeoBrick]

Preorder for the Wolfpack Tower (if it doesn't change) starts October 6, and will supposedly run for about 2 weeks to roughly the last week of October. I'd say 9-10 weeks until the end of 2025 is plenty of time to produce&print huge amounts of minifig torso's.