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Because the town doesn't have many players left, so they need all of us. It's not a time to play cautious, I'm all in.

1. War Machine's Similar Helmet Lind Whisperer 2. Mr. Freeze's Coolant 3. Starlord's Mask Mencot 4. Flash's Lightning Cowl Brickelodeon 5. Blackbeard's Shag piratedave I'm town. I'm tired of playing cat and mouse to save my neck with the costumes I choose. I'm saving myself with this choice because the town needs me. I'll field any questions you may have about my choices.

Fhomess, I'll read your work as soon as I'm off mobile. Clearly you worked hard on it. I just have one question before the day ends. Why post it now? It's too late for a lynch of me, I'm a bomb so I won't die tonight, so it appears to me that the only thing your post does is potentially pull votes from others. Possibly saving someone else? Or else you've convinced yourself you've caught me, I've done that many times myself. Anyway, vig I suggest you target Zepher. I don't care what costume he has, we need dead scum and I have my doubts that Walter is our man (though I was wrong and Tammo so my track record isn't great).

He's likely referring to this:

Exactly my point from above. I'm really trying to get everyone's attention on this. Look at your scum suspect list, now look at who's all jumped on the Walter wagon, you'll likely see some overlap. Walter may be sum, but if he is, he's the worst scum I've ever seen! The Walter lynch is lazy because it's convenient. If we're wrong we could all say "oh well, he wasn't helping anyway." But we're past the point of weeding out lazy town, we now need to catch scum. Do you think Walter is scum or are you just voting for him because he hasn't posted? I have nothing to gain from defending Walter, I'm actually putting my neck on the line. But I can't sit back and watch us get lazy on this, it's day 3 folks... I guess around 3 hours.

Is it truly scummy? It's lazy, it's unhelpful, but scummy? Think about the times you've played as scum, would you really go a whole day without posting? No, you'd do everything you could do to avoid bringing attention on yourself. I've still got my doubts...

I'll consider but I have my doubts...Tammo seemed really townie too. At some point were gonna lose these roles, and do you think the scum are going to let us get/use roles that they are well aware of? Is zepher's role more important than catching a scum?

Anybody...anybody?? Ok, well you have a higher probability of getting scum since we've lost so many townies. I think a calculated kill could be effective. Fhomess, Zepher, and Lind are my suggestions for your consideration.

I'm slightly concerned with our continual avoidance of lynches of strong scum candidates due to the costume they have. I know we want to preserve costumes, but if the scum continue to snatch those costumes up, they're useless to the town anyway. Say for instance Zepher is a doctor and scum but we spare him. We kill off 3 people tonight, get lucky and kill a scum. The scum could still grab the doctor costume tomorrow, it'd still be useless, and the town would be on the verge of distinction. Scum loss>costume loss. *Extinction, not distinction.

With the information that Tammo was indeed scum now confirmed, I think his posts do implicate Zepher. Whenever I play as scum, I try to hedge my position by assuring that my death will cause as much confusion as possible. Tammo claiming to have targeted Zepher is a great way to distance the two of them. Dragonfire has built a great case so I will vote: mr freeze (Zepher)

At this point I'd like to assume Mencot is town. His choice of storms lightning shows he doesn't have much knowledge of the action attached to it. If he were scum, I'd think he'd have chosen differently.

I don't see any disadvantage in revealing. The result will come to light sooner or later in terms of who selects what.

I can confirm the the helmet is a bomb, though I did not expect the info to get out. At this point we must work under the assumption that the scum know most, if not all, roles. With around 7 roles revealed on the boards, and the scum having (I'd assume) at least 10 costume picked in the first 2 days, there cant be much they don't know.

I don't think we should make that decision until we get some more results in. There were lots of night actions last night, so there's no reason to rush to judgement.

Sorry, is already selected. But I highly doubt id be a candidate for the vig anyway. Still, let's leave the vig unchosen until the investigation is revealed. If you take the vig before we have a confirmed townie, I'll vote for you.

1. Blackbeard's Shag Brickelodeon 2. War Machine's Similar Helmet 3. Joker's Silly Green Hair 4. Iron Patriot's Helmet jluck 5. Aquaman's Coif Brick, I had serious doubt last night about the lynch, well done.

Well guys, I don't know about you but I feel pretty lost. It seems like most everyone thinks tamamono is town-ish and yet it's highly likely he's getting lynched. Usually, we go looking for scum, but now we've become distracted by the roles. I know people are worried about which roles will benefit scum, and that's a legitimate concern, but if we don't start catching scum soon, it won't matter which roles we've eliminated cuz the town will be eliminated. I don't have any good answers, especially since Lind is bulletproof, but it seems like we're walking a dangerous line.

Ok, let's get the momentum going on a different direction. Brickalodeon started the lynch of tamamono and he's not convinced so I'm certainly not either. I agree that we should carefully watch the night results and figure out what kind of cop we have left. Could the flavor cop tell us if the cop is insane/paranoid? Also, I know someone said its not legal but piratedave could you at least confirm with def that you can't investigate yourself to see if the cop is giving legit results? In the mean time I will vote: gandolph (Lind Wisperer) Because if feel we have more to gain with getting rid of him then tamamono. Dragonfire, you had the Mr Freeze Coolant on day 1, would it be terrible for the town to lose it?

Tamamono, I would certainly be willing to entertain the Lind argument. I'm at work so I can't go through his posts right now, but his recent work hasn't helped him build up my confidence in him.

Hmmm... How much time do we have left? Seems we should still be able to turn this around if that's a role we have. Townies, if you got the bus driver role, could you possibly confirm it to someone you trust? I feel tamamono's life may henge on it.

Ok let's run some numbers. I'm going to start by assuming we do have 3 cops, including the flavor cop. My logical conclusion from this is that the of the other two cops one is legitimate and the other is insane/paranoid. That means that the tamamono investigation has a 50/50 chance of being the true cop. However, I was rather convinced by tamamono's work on day 1 and his defense, so I've actually swung the numbers in his favor, say 65/35 that tamamono is innocent. Now the other side of the equation. This game started with 20 players, so I've assumed 5 scum. We've lost 3 townies so now we have a 5/17 scum percentage. Based on my (rough) calculations, we have a 29% chance of finding scum via random vote, while I've given tamamono a 35% chance of being scum. Unless a better option is presented, the numbers are inclining me to vote tamamono.

This conversation has gone far enough down this path. We've pretty much ignored every other candidate since we've been focused on tamamono. Let's keep him in mind, but can we please discuss other candidates? Like fhomess? Because if we don't plan to lynch him, we at least need to be sure we control his action tonight. And if he's town, that would dictate how the other night actions are used.

If he's scum, then your result would be town if the role was insane cop. But if we do confirm its an insane cop, we then have a legitimate cop by just reversing the results of the investigation. If dragonator died with a cop role, we may only have one cop left, unless there truly is a flavor cop too.

So much suspicious activity! Tamamono has been investigated as scum. I see no reason to doubt that as it would be difficult to lie about. So the remaining question is, was it a legitimate result? Here's a thought...could the person who chose the possibly insane investigator role investigate themself? I don't know if the rules allow it but it would give us a definite answer regarding the investigation. Seems like this move isn't grtting discussed enough yet. On any other day you'd likely have already been chased out of town. It's bold of you and if your town, I understand where this is coming from, but it makes me uneasy.

I copied the list that was available when I chose, what did I do wrong? Does def's list fix everything?