Brick Miner

i was looing at that Flying Dutchman character again... im wondering how LEGO will build this fig ??? perhapes he might be our first all glowing fig !!! that would be interesting, we would get a GITD tricorne, and possibly GITD legs... hmmm... - BrickMiner

in terms of the construction, this is a good MOC in the Grave Stone line-up. probably my second fav, due to the overall appealing shape of the building... however, in terms of story, this one is a little weaker than the rest. i guess im just having a problem believing the Engineer Max face has a daker side ;-) - BrickMiner

but they will,... and the words "doesn't speak highly of your commitment to the hobby" will haunt their dreams >:-) and eat at their consious >:-) :-P -------------------------------------------------- with this thread, i was really hoping to see if any of those multiple hundred (or thousand) feedback BL users were my fellow EBers... if they are amoung us, they haven't shown their face yet... - BrickMiner

i think switching the heads/headgear helps for both figs... it's really the torsos that work well. especially since LEGO never gave us any female westerners.... the Studio "Lady" is the closest i've found,... well, officially anyway ;-) - BrickMiner

i voted "fun"... but actually i think its "both". fun is just the greater of the two halves ;-) - BrickMiner

so, it kinda sound like "the flying dutchman" is the ghost-pirate and not the ship ??? EDIT: ah, that is why the set is called, "3832 Flying Dutchman's Ship" apparently his ship doesn't have a name !!!

ya, don't you hate it when there is off-topic discussion in a thread designate for your MOC >:-) :-D only joking, of course :-D on a serious note... i just wish there was more of a science to it... i guess i'll find out as i do more MOCs, right ;-) - BrickMiner

your cool with me *pirate* yes, if you were to count up the posts that deal with the price issue, that would probably be and obvious truth :-D but i didn't list that as an option because that variable remained the same between my two MOCs. so why didn't that conversation happen in the Gunslingers Saloon thread ??? i figured there must be something else going on. so i listed other possibilities... as you can probably tell, im very interested in the "stir" that my MOCs make from one to the other... im not so much interested in the stir of each one... but how they rate amongst themselves. i will definitely be interested once i have like 10 done... to see which the more popular of them were. there are many reasons, but one is that i want to see if i grow as a LEGO artist X-D -------------------------------------------------- EB is the only site for me... the types of discussions that go on here are far more in-line with what im interested in, than any other site.just wish there was more WW interest :-D ;-) - Brick Miner

but then we wouldn't get to see it !!! hmmm... maybe a google search is in order :-P anyway, i was really curious myself about this SB set (i thought maybe the Flying Dutchman of SB maybe equally as cool as the PotC version)... my google search found this... looks pretty normal based on the half that we can see... so maybe you ship lovers might find some piratical use for this set :-D ;-) that is, if you want to build an orange ship... i think that ghost pirate would be a nice GITD fig... hmmm... - BrickMiner

:-D ok, sorry to put you on the spot like that...oh, and i just thought of another reason... 4) the Ghost Town sub-theme is more contraversaly than the last. (this one would be following Norro's concerns ;-) <=== that wink is for you, Norro) X-D - Brick Miner

how close is Grave Stone to Legoredo...are the mysteries of Grave Stone out of the jurisdiction of Sheriff Duke ??? ;-) - Brick Miner

"Out of System" sounds really really unappealing... so, i'll have to use that terminology from now on ;-) - BrickMiner

Brickster, you have really created some visually appealing stories with your Grave Stone MOCs... i love the Card Creeper story. the "putrid water" and "black tree" have been the highlights of the series so far... they create a great mood with a dark atmophere. very fun stuff !!! - Brick Miner

thanks for drawing some really good explanation out of me... i hope i answered your questions thoroughly. BTW, im curious, do you have any thoughts on the actually topic of the thread... FFT and the black-dressed bandit ???or do you just ask questions :-D ;-) ok, now i see where you are coming from *sweet* good theory...anyone else who has different interpretations or theories... definitely share them !!! we've heard some good ones so far X-D - BrickMiner

i have a friend that always referred to Maul as "The Space Devil". i always thought that was a fun (and acturate) description *sweet* - BrickMiner

i agree... the two smaller sets are really good... i actually own the mummy set, and like the fig so much more than the Adventurer's Hotep.i love the tree monster in the werewolf's ambush. it was the inspiration behind the cactus monster in my Ghost Town MOCs. also, the Lady and the Gent make great Western figs :-D ;-) and i love the glowing skeleton head in the mummy set... its the only place to get that piece in Glow-in-the-Dark. -------------------------------------------------- i also agree that the cardboard backgrounds really take away from the larger sets... i guess LEGO felt justified using this techinque because its a "Studio" theme |-/ - BrickMiner

yes, but i already wrote... i don't think any line went full out by "naming" until the Adventures.... but im observing trends of full out unique characater building in 1996, two years before Johnny Thunder and the rest.-------------------------------------------------- exactly, specualtion (or as i called it interpretation) is the whole point of this thread !!! we've already discussed this... i think we are just going in circles Phes :-| - BrickMiner

it was a technique that LEGO used to create unique minifigs as opposed to generic character personalities. it is to say that, once a head/torso/headgear/bodywear/legs combination of pieces/painted pieces were used in a minifig, it then idenified a character, which used a unique-to-the-fig head/torso combination as the primary idenifying attributes.as far as i can tell, the western line paved the way for this unique character building techinque for later lines like adventurers or knights kingdom 2 (which fully established unique character building by idenifying names for every character). however, the unique character building started way before the western line... Redbeard (the example that Norro brought up) is a good example of one of LEGOS early combinations that established a unique fig. that is to say, that the Redbeard head and Redbeard body was never used outside of the character. the reason i mention pirate and classic castle as an alternate to the wild west, is because head/headgear/legs were known to switch casually between torsos in almost every fig... even ironhook (and that has created some speculation to which versions are ironhook, or if all are him). examples are these two guys (who came in many varities)... http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemPic.asp?M=pi073 and http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemPic.asp?M=pi005 this technique creates alternate versions of generic characters... it is especially useful when trying to create an army of somewhat different looking figs, with only a few pieces. the western theme did apply this technique with the calvary, in which the minifigs were interpretted to not be unique. again, this tehnique works well for army building scenarios... so, even though the unique character building technique was applies well before the western line, its seems to really manifest here, because there was a need for some many unique figs. it was just the nature of the theme (again, similar to adventurers)... aside from the three calvary soldiers, it seems that all the figs of the initial 1996 line were unique (as none of them appeared twice in a set). however, Norro provided a different senario and interpretation... which was truely the reason behind the "Western Round Up" concept... exploring different interpretations of the Western figs ;-) -------------------------------------------------- also, i think this is interesting... there must have been a change in 1996 within the LEGO group... because these unique character trends also appeared in other lines... this includes the pirate line. each of the imperial armada seem to be a unique individual as well (as i recall we have discussed this in another thread, Phes). however, their individual personalities don't seem to be as unique as with the western line. i can't imagine doing a "Pirate round up" with them... Redbeard and the Admiral would be more appropriate ;-) -------------------------------------------------- and just because im over explainig eveything these days, this is worth mentioning... there is one western fig who does break the rule ONCE. but only in a small "bagged" set. and that is the black dressed bandit, who appears wearing dark grey legs and a brown hat, with a white bandana in set 6791... this is an oddity in the western world. but does provides Norro's argument (that he may not be a unique fig) with some solid evidence ;-) - BrickMiner

thanks for posting that phoinix... i didn't have time to look over the brick testement again, but i thought i remembered seeing it there...- BrickMiner

ya, and not to mention that openning sequence (up through the credit titles)... it was just spectacular 8-

yes it is... my mistake ;-)

:-D your right... and im the one thats been talking about iconography... shame on me 8-| - BrickMiner

yes, and im my initial description of this thread, i said i would be discussing others...

yes, i think that BD has made good choices... but IF he was going for a complete Dark Forest look (and that was the question directed toward me), i might expect blue roofs... the Forestmen and Dark Forest themes didn't feature a lot of roofing... but when it did appear, it was blue. - BrickMiner