Hinckley

No, we don't. Read the rules, goofy.

If he is scum, then there would be a definite reverse psychology to his actions. I'm proposing he is thinking that we would assume he is too smart to do something so stupid. We all know he is one of the smartest, if not the smartest among us. So, naturally it would be some sort of risk. The timing of all of this is what got me, as I already stated. He votes against me. He votes with me. I call him out. He very quietly unvotes and then gives us a huge help. If there is some game mechanic that allows him to learn what the cultist's win condition is, I would find it very surprising that it would occur in the middle of the day, let alone Day One. I asked him about his knowledge and he told me to read Mafiawiki or just use my head that Ossie and Is would throw in a twist like most hosts of holes in the desert. So, was it inference or fact? I still can't tell. I know I can't get a clear answer from him. He just keeps calling me Scum, troll and dipshit. When I first heard this theory, I thought it was a smart thought. However, after thinking about it, I'm not sure making vanilla townies the target of invisible killers is really involving them more. It's just inviting them to be corpses. In that way, I guess it could be seen as involving them more, but I'm not sure they would see it that way as they're being slaughtered...

I suggested that to him but he called me Scum and didn't want to go along. It was easy enough to provoke him anyway. It wasn't totally fake, but it was a way to have something happening for people to respond to and get reactions from. I thought he would stop when I stopped but he probably reacted to it the most. Anyway, it could've actually given him ample opportunity to appear the same as his reputation would hold. Look like an active Townie and berade people to seem proactive. If you're waiting for a reply he has told me in private he refuses to answer to my argument: So, you'll just have to make up your own mind.

Unvote: Penelope Farago(Waterbrick Down) Vote: Patrick Fitzwilliam(def) I wasn't truly suspicious of him until he un-voted me. Please follow my reasoning: My suspicion is basically that he went from suspecting me the most and voting for me to inexplicably voting with me. I explain my suspicions in this post: So after inexplicably voting with me and Zepher and then immediately calling us Scum (Why would someone vote along with their top suspects for Scum??) he quietly unvotes, after waiting some time and a few posts after my accusation. For the first time today, he didn't immediately jump on me for speaking: Then this: It was probably his intention to look Town by helping us and therefore become a leader and look irreproachably innocent. He probably knows what the win condition for the Scum is because he is Scum. If we think he's "spoken to Ra " and they've told him what the Scum needs to do to win, in our eyes he could never possibly be Scum. But why would the hosts verify someone as Town for all of us that way? I would guess this is nothing more than a ruse to gain our trust. It could be the reverse psychology of "Scum would never tell us their own win conditions." He has railed against anyone who defied him all day, calling them uninformed, liars and trolls. He is right, he does have a reputation, and he would have to make it appear that reputation is untarnished. If he's a Cultist, he better be in his Town mode or people will suspect! Originally, our pissing match was a fun tactic to see how others would respond and we may have gotten a couple little leads here and there, but perhaps Fitzdef's persistence on attacking me and Ahmed Apu ( I get it! ) were to keep up appearances. It did seem odd that it was going on so long after it should've been put behind us. But, that aside, his original un-vote was extremely contradictory to all of his previously voiced strategy and then he tried to sweep that under the carpet and now is suddenly pulling out knowledge, in the middle of a day phase, that only the Scum should know. Hmmmmmm. I don't know if I'm right or not, but this is my strongest lead and the person I'm most suspicious of. Could he be a Townie? Yes. Could my suspicion be based off of my dislike of his attitude and gameplay? Yes. But I had swept all of that aside until I noticed the specific inconsistencies and behaviors I have outlined. This is not a final decree. I do want to hear what people have to say about the accusation. And he continues to just insist that he's beyond questioning. Forgot he was perfect

Interesting. Odd that Ra would speak only to you. Did you figure out some game mechanic? Like how to address IMHOTEP? Did he give you the answer?

Well, this is from his signature: So, it looks like February. It's official now, huh? With only a month to go!

Forgive me everyone. I hate to perpetuate the silly argument from earlier in the day. I am certainly over the "pissing match" aspect of it. I can't help but point out something that has started to bug me. Mr. Fitzdef, how did you go from voting for me to voting with me? I find it odd that I go from your top suspect to someone who has the right idea about who to vote out. You vote for Penelope Farago and then immediately say that Apu and I are probably anti-Town, although you are now voting along with both of us. I'm having trouble following your logic. Perhaps you can enlighten me? Perhaps I'm dumb and need a smart person to explain things to me.

I hope the music stops while The Kaboominator is holding it.

This is a valid point and something I had noted as well. He did seem to spend a good time lurking and listening to what we were saying but not really adding anything. His responses have been rather "summarizing" and not proactive as one might suspect from a man of his stature. Interesting...

Thanks! Yes, peterab, I gave you that title.

Is "chuffed" good?

This is a reasonable defense. Oh, how I hate this predicament. And the first day of similar predicaments...whatever that means.

No problem! Applesauce.

I just can't help myself. Truth manglers = people who find you suspicious. Really, we're not "mangling" any truths. We simply don't like your attitude. It appears we both think you are innocent, just smug. It's really not worth discussing this far. It's nothing more than a difference of opinion on tact and interaction with others. It's probably best we all move on from it. There's nothing tangible in it for deciding who's a cultist and who isn't, not as far as I can tell. Oh, perfect. I was afraid we would never get to breath holding. Can you stop reading my posts too then?

In addition, I noticed that Ms. Mergatroyd tried to cast off suspicion of Ms. Fargo's behavior by accusing Apu of defending me, when that wasn't necessarily the case as I read it. If Ms. Fargo turns up Scum, we should look at Ms. Mergatroyd next, whose posts have been as silly as that British-cliche-dead-fish-talking-dude. And by all means, investigate me tonight! I happily welcome it. If there are two investigators investigate Mr. Fitzdef too. Great plan.

If this is to be a war of who gets the last word, then take this: "Horse!" Is that the last word? Did I win?

I think it's quite possible for you to be intuitive and helpful without talking down to all the rest of us. Now it's a pissing match.

So, me acting typical is suspicious, but him acting suspicious is understandable. Do us a favor and shut up now that you've voted so we don't need to hear your camelshit. Will someone clean that up already? What is that camel eating? Good point. For the time being, I'll follow my previously mentioned suspicions and vote for Penelope Farago (Waterbrick Down) Damn it, now I've done it. I will vote: Penelope Farago (Waterbrick Down) Ah, Fanglish. My favorite language. He may not speak up often, but when he does ... it's all what the hell? ... I love it! Love you!

Is someone voteless? Is there a vote thief? Is God retarded? Let's all flip out and speculate wildly!

Being quiet is a good reason. That assessment of his character is an awful reason since we've been warned against such behavior: I agree with your reasoning. It's a solid lead. However, I don't understand why you originally unvoted after only a couple of minutes.

Nobody ever endorsed voting randomly except for that crazy idiot who talks to his dead fish... I mean, the British sounding chap, the cliche. You know who I mean. Anyway, have fun with your strategy. OK, she voted along with you. Is the experiment over? Will you unvote him now or at least give some reason why the vote would go to him? I agree he's been awful quiet. But there are quite a few quiet folks in our group. I mentioned being suspicious of her too, but it was a very small hunch and would hinge on Mr. Fitzdef being Scum. I guess if she's Scum, we'd have more of an inkling if he is. I want to take a look at all the quiet people and then I'll make a vote. Besides, if I voted along with you right away Ms. Murgatroyd would be even more suspicious of you and I.

Then why didn't you wait to see if she would vote along? I apologize for being so confounded. I'm not following your strategy.

And I did read it, by the way. It's just as stupid no matter how much of it I quote. Whatever your reasoning, I hope we will learn something from it. Weirdo.

Why????????