Dragonfire

Stuff like this just makes you look worse. And your last comment is a lie: you haven't built any case against yourself Wait, how would you end up dead tonight for not lynching Desiree? :wacko:

I took it as more "considering Patti as a suspect and going through her posts", which I have done; my conclusion was that I'm inclined to townread her. Yeah, I think you read it wrong. My ping on Matthew comes from two reasons: him saying I want to lynch Patti (which is untrue) and his distancing from the Carla wagon yesterday by voting Desiree. I agree with his reasons on Desiree, I just see the vote as slightly scummy. She's probably just listened to a pep talk from her scumbuddy about how to improve her game.

Time for some Minga Derrick-style bandwagon analysis! Let's go back a day, to Day Two. Hosty opens voting. The first vote is Patti, on Carla. I think we all know why she voted for her. Bold move, being the first vote, and she had good reasons too. So not a scummy vote IMO. After a post by Alec (confirmed town), Carla makes her really long post defending herself and accusing Patti, then votes for Patti. Theodore votes immediately after this. He doesn't bring any more reasoning to the table, but justifies his vote based on Carla's scummy posts. Fair enough - not especially scummy or town-ish either. Then Patti calls out Carla for OMGUS voting. It is then that Desiree places the third vote on Carla. Voting third is a safe place for scum to be, and if you notice she has merely copied what Theodore and Patti said in the previous two posts (highlighted in red for you guys to see). Next vote is Trenton. Although he apes Desiree and Patti by talking about OMGUS votes, he admits that he doesn't really think he can add anything to it - and he has a point. If I was faced with that same situation all over again, I'd vote for Carla again. What she did was scummy enough that it didn't warrant a justification for each and every vote. Then comes my vote. I was busy, had little to no time and knew I was going to miss the end of the day. Plus, I'd already voiced my suspicions of Carla and it was fairly obvious why I was voting her. Yes, Desiree, I can't bold on my phone because I can't type this: [ ] at all. Matthew was the only person (apart from Carla herself) not to vote for Carla; at the time of his vote, there were five votes on Carla - not enough for a lynch but more than half of all possible votes. He also recognises the sheep aspects of Desiree's vote and wants to put pressure on Desiree. However, this could be an attempt to distance himself from the Carla vote, knowing that she would flip town. Sixth vote on Carla comes from Lynn. She talks about what others have said before her, but then she adds a new piece of reasoning to the table by picking apart Carla's post. Not a scummy vote IMO. Then Alec (confirmed town) places the last reluctant vote on Carla, sealing the deal. Overall, out of the six living players' votes on Carla {Patti, Theodore, Desiree, Trenton, me, Lynn, Alec} and the single vote on Desiree {Matthew}, I think that Desiree's scummy vote stands out the most to me. If I had to pick a second player to be scum with her, it'd probably be Trenton, Matthew or Theodore. Oh, and Trenton, you never replied to this either:

I'll admit I didn't look closely enough through his posts and he didn't actually clarify that he suspected you more than Lynn My bad. However, what I originally called you out for still stands. You make a case on Lynn with one of the main reasons being "Alec suspected her"; the same is true for you. Then you say: BS. This is the post in question: When did Alec ever say that Lynn was his top suspect? He suspected you and Lynn equally; the only reason why he developed his case on Lynn was because she had not yet been brought up as a suspect, but you had. In fact, it's you who's twisting his words now. You want to divert attention from yourself - therefore you make a case on the other person Alec was suspicious of and you try to hide the fact that he suspected you. You hope that being active and seemingly helpful is enough to save you from the lynch today. Claiming that Lynn was Alec's top suspect is a lie, plain and simple. To be honest, it is kinda far-fetched when the Vigilante wasn't even in the list of roles to choose. The notion that there could already be a vig when the town haven't even chosen their roles is a bit hard to believe. ^^ This, exactly. "Oooh, just because I voted for the watcher instead of the tracker makes me soooo different and not bandwagon-y at all, and it automatically makes me able to accuse others of bandwagoning and it's totally not hypocritical in any way shape or form..." Vote: Desiree Walters (mediumsnowman). I suspected you since Day One and you've done nothing to alleviate these suspicions.

Okay, if you want me to prove that you're twisting my words, I will. This is what I said regarding Carla and Patti: "Look into" does not equal "lynch" This does not mean that I want to lynch Patti - heck, I literally said I'd be inclined to townread her. "Listening" to Carla in this context means just that, actually reading what she posted and considering her opinions - not blindly following them. And then you say this, basically implying that I want to lynch Patti because Carla said so. How is this not twisting my words?

Some good points here, but your reasoning for Alec's death is slightly hypocritical - the same can be said for you, seeing as you were his top suspect. But I never said I wanted to lynch Patti because Carla said so. Far from it - I said that I was inclined to townread Patti but I wanted to look into her because of Carla's suspicion of her. You're twisting my words here

If the cop finds a scum, IMO he/she should claim publicly. There are 9 players in this game - realistically that means two scum. A scum for a cop isn't a terrible trade-off if there are only two to start with. And hopefully by the time the cop claims they'll have some confirmed town reports as well. I know - personally I'd be inclined to townread Patti, but I'd feel mad at myself if Carla was right and we didn't listen to her after her death.

Great. I was pretty convinced she was Scum Alec's death is surprising, I would have thought the Scum might go for someone more vocal and opinionated. I guess he may have been "fear-killed" due to his experience - but then again, there's only one newish player here and I think it's unlikely there is only one Scum. So maybe the Scum just chose someone at random. Speculation's gonna get us nowhere today though. Later today (when I have more time), expect some form of a bandwagon analysis (a la Blacktron) from me, and possibly a look into Carla's top suspect (Patti). All I can glean from Alec's posts was that he didn't support the Carla lynch and was suspicious of Lynn and Desiree....

Vote: Carla Riddle (Dragonator) (Can't bold on my phone) Just getting my vote in in case for some reason I miss the end of the day. Subject to change, of course, and although I've already voiced my suspicions of her, I'm happy to clarify them should anyone ask.

I'm having a hard time believing this because it's what got me caught in Ragnarok 3 as scum. Scum Confirmation Bias, that's what I call it. It seems obvious to you, but not to the town; you've forgotten that we don't know whether the scum can switch their action around. So IMO it was a slip, yes. Defensive?? Still don't get it. How is me calling you out defensive? I agree. Although you're still on my scum list, it's pointless too keep on arguing this one point. And in the event that the strongman was the first scum to die?? And in the event that the strongman was the first scum to die?? And in the event that the strongman was the first scum to die?? Oops, triple post

Sorry, what? You OMGUS ping me back and cite a 'defense' - who or what am I defending? To be honest dumbtelling about the night kill is something I've seen scum do before.

...We have a tracker, not a watcher. Ping. Speculation on the night kill when the host said that there would be no actions submitted on Night One.

Disclaimer: I will be away from around 8pm GMT tonight until 9am GMT on the 26th (Monday). I will have limited access over that time. Sorry

Agreed, there are 9 people here with no PM ability, let's be realistic here, a town block is not gonna form. We need to catch the scum through PoE utilising our two investigative PRs and then out the results later in the game to bag them (ideally, after one scum is dead). The PRs can't work together behind the scenes; so we have to work for them in thread. Watching the cop is all fine and good, but the scum will just kill the watcher and then the cop if such a scenario occurs.

Again, she's basically told the scum what the town have, so it's a way of balancing things out, maybe...

So why did the host include it then? Purely for the purpose of WIFOM or as a red herring?

If I could vote, I'd be voting for Carla or Desiree (the latter's push for the doctor role despite the possibility of a strongman still doesn't sit well with me)

Itsy-Bitsy Spiders, back row, Silver Cup. Will switch to Bugbears should the spiders be dead already.

Hadn't thought of that... Ohhhh.... nice one How do you know they can change their kill action? Something smells fishy here

Your guess is as good as mine, if you are indeed town. Hello, who are you? You look awfully mad at something - did I do something wrong!? :look: Yes, I'm aware that that's the idea, I'm not that dumb I'm just questioning the utility of the watcher - sure, it keeps the cop alive, but surely having two incognito PRs capable of clearing people every night is better...?

Godfather and Strongman is too overpowered for this game IMO. Sure, there could be a Godfather, but nevertheless Cop is still the most useful role out of the list. We shouldn't let the possibility of a Godfather get in the way of choosing the roles which are most beneficial to town. You make some good points, but if the watcher watches the cop every night, the watcher him/herself won't catch any scum because they won't kill the cop and it wastes a useful PR. Tracker and Cop could act as dual investigative roles and confirm twice as many people. Then we could use PoE to find the last scum.

Vote: Cop Vote: Tracker You are still adamant that there is no strongman. Still pingin' me Unless there's a freakin' strongman. But Cop has a higher reward - it can point blank confirm someone's allegiance. Surely a tracker/watcher would be at the same risk as the cop should they out?

...which we can't do today, yeah.

How is doctor a better role than blocker? Surely strongman would just nullify both roles? Even if we don't have a strongman, blocker is a better role to have. Unlikely that a possible vig is already among us. Most probably there isn't one, because it would end the game way too early.

Unless there's a strongman. Nah, if it were that then the host would surely have clarified?