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Supported the moment I saw it! This MUST become an official set! Speaking of which, will your friend who made the LEGO Games Portal set post the game rules and instructions soon? (Perhaps as a reward for 2,500 votes?)

If I ever make it to a brick convention (i.e. Brickworld or one of the other conventions), I think it would be a lot of fun to run a Quest live at the convention (a video record could be uploaded to YouTube and posted here for posterity).

*Debates with self over revealing information.* Weeeeeeeell...there is a bit of uncertainty with the claim itself, but the person who has claimed Cop to me did not investigate Wright, or Burbank, for that matter. They did clear a Townie, but did not clear you. I don't feel safe revealing any more than that. *cough*CinderellaVs.Pinocchio*cough* I have a poor track record with such things. Good. Case closed. I must respectfully disagree. Our lynch of Robbins may be regrettable, but it wasn't stupid; at the time, he was the scummiest and least helpful of us all, and was a logical lynch. "Logical" and "incorrect" are not necessarily incompatible.

In all honesty, I do deserve penalty votes for my behavior towards Commander Walters; I was arrogant and tasteless, and stepped far past the bounds of respectability that must prevail, even in this sort of situation. I shall endeavor to behave with more decorum from this point forward. As to the commander's request for Watching, I no longer feel it is that suspicious; analyzing his latest statement, it really does appear that this is simply his playstyle, and not a sign of his scum-hood. I simply latched on to the suspicious side of it and made it into something much more significant than it actually was. I have no excuse; I was reckless in my pursuit of him, and overstepped my bounds. Do allow me to point out, the information I have was passed on to me by a third party, because it related to our (at the time) mutual suspicion of Commander Walters. Upon further reflection, this particular bit of information is completely neutral regarding the commander's alignment (though for other reasons I am still not prepared to divulge it publicly), so again, I no longer suspect him. If something else turns up, I will reconsider, but at present he is clear in my eyes. The other role I now have contact with did not contact me, but rather responded when I requested information. The information this role gave me would not be useful if revealed publicly (that is to say, it is not a Scum investigation result), and so I am not at liberty to reveal it, either.

I know I already apologized in-topic, but after some thought I feel this is serious enough to mention out here as well. Tammo, I apologize for that rant. Somewhere in between that mess of text and plays and accusations, I crossed a line I shouldn't have, and I'm sorry. I was a dick. Can you forgive me? Oh, and welcome, Fhomess, good to be playing with you again.

Then why didn't the Cop investigate you last Night? (This is not an accusation, I'm asking for your opinion here. I need to follow this up in private as well, thank you for pointing this out.) I still think the suggestion was scummy, but whatever. It lies along the very fine line between "Scummy" and "unorthodox but still Townie", and even true Townies can behae scummily, so at this point we're sort of splitting hairs. The problem with that is, that's part of the reason I wanted the Scum to think I knew who the Power Roles were, so they would do exactly what you did: to contact me and try to steer the roles. I just wasn't expecting you to be the person I caught. But, to be fair, some of the reason it came off as scummy was due to my own context as well, so I suppose I can't entirely blame you. Educate me--I really DON'T know these things. Obviously, the Scum thought taking out Lt. Burbank was a pretty good idea, and it turned out pretty darn well for them; how was their metagame target a worse target than you, from their perspective? (Again, I really am interested in the answer, beyond just what it says about your internal reasoning--though the passive assertion that I'm Scum is duly noted. ) How? I mean, the list will be TOTALLY different tonight, since we'll have a totally different set of information to work from. Heck, if we suddenly went into another Night this very moment, there would be totally different priorities. As I recall, you did little more than to jump on an already-established bandwagon. Looking back, I can't really decide upon any one person who led Robbins' lynch, but I do know it wasn't me--and it wasn't you, either. Don't think so highly of yourself--over the past Day and Night I've certainly learned how weak and limited I am, I'm surprised you haven't made similar discoveries of your own in all the time you've been dealing with these situations. I'd have an easier time accepting that you totally missed the possibilities I saw, if you weren't accusing me right back. It changes your apparent attitude from "OK, so I didn't see what you saw" to "if I'm going down, I'm taking you down with me." In case you haven't noticed, plays are supposed to be obnoxious. If it makes you feel any better, I'm represented by "Important Townie #1," a.k.a. "The Stupidest Townie In The World." And at least you got to parody an awesome beer commercial. Well, when you put it like that... Keep in mind, this came not long after you bragged about being the first person to direct suspicion toward Robbins; while that may have been true, it also sounded an awful lot like that blue-haired boy in the holodeck program's boasts about catching the first Sith in the game--boasts that didn't really start until after he had been converted to Scum. On top of that, I was just realizing (thanks to Lt. Wheeler) how I trust people too easily and for the wrong reasons, and wondering why no one BESIDES Wheeler was talking to me, raising my paranoia ever further. (At one point I was so paranoid that I wondered if I was the only Townie among an entire crew full of Scum teams, like what happened in that prison break holodeck program I watched a while back.) Then you come along, falling exactly into a Scum trap I had set up, with...shall we say...sub-optimal wording, from my perspective. I may have blown things a little out of proportion, but based on what I had to work with, you seemed like a VERY likely Scum. I still think it's a possibility, but I'm not NEARLY certain about it , which means I can't in good conscience put my vote on it. We'll see if anything happens to change my mind one way or the other. Not necessarily--there's ALWAYS another target. I don't know how much I believe it, but I've heard plenty of people say that giving up when accused is a scumtell. If you're not Scum, then you need to make sure you don't get lynched--an apology for mistakes made seems like a good start. I'll start off: Commander, I apologize for being rude and overly pushy and blowing things out of proportion and having absolutely abyssmal instincts in this situation, and for insulting you perhaps more than was necessary in my play. Forgive me?

"Imperials C, SouthWest, Lions D, the same. Crossbowmen A, NorthEast to the hill. Crossbowmen B, Rogue Knights B." OOC: Can we auto-play a few Rounds? Pikemen will try to move between the Lion Crossbowmen and the approaching Rogue Pikemen, and Crossbowmen A will attack whatever enemy is in range, with the Tethusial Crossbowmen being the preferred target.

In case you haven't noticed, Lt. Wheeler already pointed out to me how horrible my instincts are: And the fact is, no one did contact me last night--and given today's results even I have to admit it was a good idea for them not to. It's sort of self-evident at this point, so I didn't think I'd have to bring it up. Not egotistical? Really? Just off the top of my head, in my sleep-deprived state, I can think of at least four people who would make far better targets, even as metagame kills. No, I'm going through our conversation and berating myself for missing the scumminess the first time I read them. Wheeler was right: I really do trust people too readily, and convince myself to miss blatant scumminess. I absolutely cannot afford to do that, especially with you. Well, at least you're admitting it now. That's something in your favor, at least. ...really? In situations like these, context is key; it can be the deciding factor between something scummy and something that's actively anti-Scum. When something is random and out-of-the-blue, you have no context, so you have to take it at first "read"--and your suggestion was quite scummy at first read. 1. If I had access to a Watcher last Night and had been thinking about metagame kills, I would have put them on Lt. Francis last night. He's FAR more of a metagame target than you. Actually, here's my list of suggested targets for last night; this is what I would have given to anyone who claimed to me: *Investigative (Cop, Tracker, etc., plus Blocker because of how it works): Commander Walters (Tamamono) or Ensign Rockford (Palathadric) *Protective (Doctor, Bodyguard, etc., plus the Watcher because of how it works): Lt. Francis (Shadows) or Lt. Burbank (Dragonator) or Lt. McAndrews (Brickdoctor) or Commander Gordon (Fugazi) *Killing (Vigilante and variants): Lt. Wright (AwesomeStar), as I had already stated that day. Aside from the Vig, the entirety of that list came from metagaming. Notice where you are on it: Investigative. Like it or not, your past influences your present. In the latest holodeck program, you were a Scum; (assuming that you really are Town) the Scum know this will make you look bad, and won't bother to kill you because you already draw scumdars away from them. 2. I cannot comment on this right now as I do not yet have permission to release this information. 3. That's fair, I suppose. Allow me to counter with another play: The Case for Caution - Scene I Editor's note: This play contains hypothetical events. Any relevance to the actual situation is purely coincidental. Commander Walters: Eek! I think I'm going to die! I'm the most important Townie in the world--whatever will I do? Enter Important Townie #1 Who Everyone Thinks Knows All The Night Actions But Does Not Commander Walters: Oh, Important Townie #1 Who Everyone Thinks Knows All The Night Actions But Does Not, I'm soo scared! I think I'm going to die! Please put the Watcher on me so that when I, the Most Important Townie In The World-- Important Townie #1 Who Everyone Thinks Knows All The Night Actions But Does Not: *snicker* Commander Walters: Shut up. Please put the Watcher on me so that when I, the Most Important Townie In The World, am dead, we will definitely have the identity of their killer! And maybe the Doctor, so I don't, you know, die. Important Townie #1 Who Everyone Thinks Knows All The Night Actions But Does Not: Yeah, OK, whatever. Exit Important Townie #1 Who Everyone Thinks Knows All The Night Actions But Does Not Commander Walters: Oh dear, oh, my, I'm still scared. What it The Most Important Townie In The World supposed to do? I know! Enter Important Townie #2 Who Hates Commander Walters Commander Walters: Heeeeey! *Important Townie #2 Who Hates Commnander Walters starts walking quicker and attempts to avoid eye contact with Walters, but Walters is too quick. Commander Walters (Navi voice): Hey! Listen! Hey! Hey! Listen! Hey! Listen! (normal voice) Hey, listen, I'm The Most Important Townie In The World-- Important Townie #2 Who Hates Commnander Walters (still avoiding eye contact, under breath): Yeah, sure. Commander Walters: --and I think I am going to die. Can you put the Watcher, and maybe the Doctor, on me, so good thinge will happen? Exit Important Townie #2 Who Hates Commnander Walters, so quickly they leave an afterimage Commander Walters: Wow, I think they believed me that time, even though everyone remembers when I used to be a Scum! But I'm still scared I'm going to die, and that's terrible, because I'm The Most Important Townie In The World! Enter Important Townie #3 Who No-One Thinks Is In Contact With The Watcher But He Actually Is Commander Walters: Hey, Important Townie #3 Who No-One Thinks Is In Contact With The Watcher But He Actually Is! I don't think you're in contact with the Watcher or the Doctor, but if you know someone who does, could you put them on me? You see, I am The Most Important Townie In The World-- Important Townie #3 Who No-One Thinks Is In Contact With The Watcher But He Actually Is (aside to audience): Is he selling beer or something? Commander Walters: --and I am almost certain I am going to die, because the Scum will metagame target me. Commander Gordon, Lt. Francis, and Lt. Burbank double over with laughter Important Townie #3 Who No-One Thinks Is In Contact With The Watcher But He Actually Is (aside to audience): So he's not selling beer, he'r drinking it, I get it! Commander Walters: So could you tell people to put them on me even though there are much better targets out there? Commander Walters exits, speaking French...in Italian. Important Townie #3 Who No-One Thinks Is In Contact With The Watcher But He Actually Is: Hmm...I think I will put the Watcher on Commander Walters, even though there's no reason to. Watcher? Enter Watcher Watcher: Yeah boss? Important Townie #3 Who No-One Thinks Is In Contact With The Watcher But He Actually Is: I want you on Commander Walters. Watcher: OK! Re-enter Commander Walters. Watcher jumps on top of him, nearly crushing him. Commander Walters (obliviously): Gee, I hope someone listened to my plea! If not, I do not know what will happen to the Town, since after all I am The Most Important Townie In The World. I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I always drink Dos Gutsy. Stay townie, my friends! Exit Commander Walters and Watcher, stage right, pursued by a bear. End Scene I The Case for Caution - Scene II Scum, Scummo, and Scumbag sit in a dark alleyway, lit only by the light of an antique oil lantern. Scum: So, who do ya wanna kill? Scummo: I dunno, let's metagame. Any ideas? Scumbag: Erm...how about Commander Walters? There is a beat of silence. All: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Scum: Good one, Scumbag! Walters is WAY too scummy--just from last game alone--for us to mess with! Scummo: Yeah, let's leave him there to confuse the Town. Scumbag: OK, lets just kill Burbank and see what happens. Computer, End program. End Scene II The Case for Caution - Scene III Commander Walters: Yippee! I'm still alive! I guess the Important Townies realized I was The Most Important Townie In The World after all! Lt. Burbank's dead body attempts to punch Walters, but he's dead so it doesn't work Commander Walters: And good thing I didn't tell just Important Townie #1, since he had no real control over anything whatsoever! Enter Important Townies Important Townie #2: Dude, why weren't we watching Burbank last night?!? Important Townie #1: Yeah, I hope you didn't ACTUALLY listen to Walters... Important Townie #3: Erm...ehehehe... Important Townie #2: *Sigh* well, please tell me we got SOMETHING out of targetting him. Important Townie #3: *whisper whisper whisper* Important Townie #1: Well, better than nothing, I suppose. Still, Walters must be The Most Selfish Townie In The World. Important Townie #2: You're one to talk. Important Townie #1: Hey, I'm not selfish, I'm just stupid! All: ... Important Townie #1: Uh.... Curtain Of course, all that assumes you really are Town, something I'm not sure about at all. I thought about that, but it was important to point out that you have no way of confirming anyone. Besides, if you're Scum, it's important for us to lock down your claim right away, so you can't change your story later on. All right, so I'm wrong there. That doesn't change the fact that, no matter what the criteria for judgement is, there are still far more likely targets than you--several of them, in fact. I'll give benefeit of the doubt there, but you certainly worded it poorly. You came off as desperate rather than joking. If you are Town, granted. I absolutely do not believe it, but I doubt I'll convince you of that. There was a scene in a holodeck novella called "Brave" that I was alluding to there. I suppose. See my response to Commander Gordon. If you must, chalk it up to inexperience, but I don't see why a non-Godfather Scum would be happy about drawing night actions. I suppose an argument could be made for you being Town based off of that, but still. I admit, each piece of evidence I've pointed out is somewhat circumstantial. But together, they suggest (to me) that you are Scum. I don't vote unless I'm certain. Will I be wrong? Sometimes, certainly; I'd even go so far as to say that I'm commonly wrong. But I'm not going to pretend I don't believe something just because there's a possibility that I'm wrong about it. Certainly, Lt. Wheeler has had more than enough time to come forward, and yet she has not. Last night she told me she had assembled a good case against Walters; what I've presented is simply my perspective, from the information I've recieved. I'm sure Wheeler has plenty of additional evidence against Walters; she was convinced of his Scumminess FAR earlier than I was, and so has been gathering information longer than I have. Wow, gosh, have I really been writing this post talking for two hours? Well, now you know what's going on im my head. Go ahead and poke holes all through my line of thought; it's obvious that I suck at this, and I need the criticism in order to improve.

Well, if that's the case, he was half right! I just don't see good intentions behind that request; it simply doesn't feel pro-Town to me. I seem to recall that working out rather well for one Scum in that holodeck program, but in this case I think that Donna is truly absent. I mean, she hasn't even logged in reported for duty since before the captain's death, and she hasn't accessed Heroica the holodeck or the rec room in that time either. Frustrating, but not scummy per se. And that's partly what makes me worried. Regardless of the fact that I was not in contact with any Power Roles, the general perception was that I was. If he really is Town, why didn't he share his fears with several prominent Townies--such as you and Lt. Wheeler, for example? No, he told me and only me--because he's a Scum who wanted to influence the Night's actions away from his teammates. A true Townie would have told more than just me that he was worried about dying; it would help people to be prepared for his death and its reprecussions. Instead, he directed his "worries" to the person he thought controlled most of the power. That's another thing: how does having a Watcher target a claimed Vanilla do anything to clear anyone? Sure, IF Walters was killed, we'd know exactly who did it, but that's a rather long shot, especially on the first Night, and especially when Walters' contributions yesterday were somewhat trivial at best. And if his request for Watching was scummy, then his request for Doctor protection was even moreso; *girly voice* "Oh, I'm an unconfirmed Vanilla Townie, please put your Watcher and Doctor on me because there's a slight chance of catching the Scum killer who wouldn't even bother to come after me anyway." *end girly voice* That makes sense from a Town perspective...how? The only way for his proposed scenario to work would be to put BOTH the Doctor and the Watcher on him (and even then, it wouldn't clear him, it would just clear the Doctor and Watcher). Going back to his "please clear me quickly so I can run things" message, sure if he's Town, he appears eager. But if he's Scum, it sounds like he's unafraid of investigation. I'm beginning to wonder if Walters is the Scum Godfather, or some such similar role, that is immune to investigation and/or Watching. It would certainly explain his boldness in these requests; after all (assuming he's a Scum), from his view, even if I had become suspicious and set the Cop on him because of his scummy claim, the Cop wouldn't have gotten a Scum result on him. The more I look at it, the more I am convinced that Walters is Scum. I can't believe I didn't see it sooner, but at least now there's a solid case against him.

If it's not a malicious Scum move, then it's a rather egotistical Town play. There just wasn't a real reason to ask; he was by no means a major enough figure yesterday to worry about the Scum (and he didn't claim a Power Role, at least not to me, so he shouldn't have to worry there), and he wasn't really scummy enough yesterday to warrant fear of the vigilante. So why was he so worried to die? Maybe. You aren't alone in pointing out to me that it wasn't exactly the best plan. I still found the commander's suggestion really suspicious, especially considering how random and out of the blue it was. I have to ask, did the commander ask any of the rest of you about this, or anything of the sort? Did he tell any of you aside from me that he was worried about dying? If not, then I have to wonder why.

YES. Ha ha, I would SO pay to see that!

Well, first, Wright was a highly scummy target, one who (at the time) appeared almost certainly to be Scum. Directing the vigilante against him was an attempt to get rid of a potential Scum. Commander Walters' suggestion would have done little to help catch the scum, though I'll admit that may just be his ego shining through (thinking he's more vital to the Town than he actually is). Second, it was a public announcement, and flowed naturally from my suspicions of the two--incorrect suspicions, granted, but there was no way at the time that I could have known. Commander Walters' request came privately, and out of the blue--the last message he had sent me before that was: At the time, it seemed like something of a joke, but after he set off my alarm bells, this earlier statement took on a different implication entirely...

I know we've already discussed who should play our characters if Heroica were made into a movie/TV show, but we completely forgot NPCs! I, personally, favor Idina Menzel as Wren for some reason; does anyone else agree?

Dafuq? Robbins and Wright weren't Scum?! Well...MegaBloks. Apparently my Scumcorder is still broken. Sorry, folks! I haven't had much contact overnight, so I don't have too much to tell, but my "trusted" list has been cut in half, thanks to a keen-eyed officer pointing out a huge weakness of mine--a flaw in my very view of Mafia the world. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing, but at least I don't have blinders on anymore. Please, someone tell me there's Cop result today? If not, I know of one officer who's built a case against Commander Walters; I don't have all the facts, but this message from him sent up a red photon emitter: Question: why would the commander expect the Scum killer to take him out? If I had been in contact with the Doctor, I would have had him protect Lt. McAndrews or Ensign Campbell or Lt. Wheeler; all three of them were far more Townie in my eyes and thus more likely to need protection. Did Commander Walters really expect to die, or was he trying to keep the Watcher and the Doctor off of his actual target? It ended up not mattering, since I'm not in contact with any of those roles (as far as I know) and thus couldn't direct them, but it still struck me as suspicious--which is saying something, as right up until he sent me that message, I pretty much trusted him. Unfortunately, I don't have much more for this case, but when the officer I mentioned comes in I'm sure they'll be happy to elaborate.

Hah, that's awesome Daiman! Great 3D effect! I've been supporting this on CUUSOO ever since I first saw it--I'd definitely like to see one of these bad boys as an official set.

"Those Imperial pikes are doomed nonetheless. If they don't attack the Tethusials, they'll be taken out by a Free Hit anyway. Best to let them go out fighting. Imperial Pikemen A, attack the Tethusial Crossbowmen, your sacrifice will be avenged! Crossbowmen A, move NorthEast one hex, Crossbowmen B, Attack the Rogue Lion Knights B. Let's see...Imperials C NorthWest one hex, and Lion Pikemen D, SouthWest one hex!"

OOC: Sorry for the OOC-only post, Doc, but...

I have to disagree, he did it even before he was converted. It's suspicious, yes, but not a smoking gun. Like I said, hopefully someone will target him during the Night and we can get a definite result tomorrow. Yes, because it was suspicious the last two times I did it as well. As I said before, if the PRs don't trust me, they can contact me through someone else (i.e. if the Cop thinks you are more trustworthy than I am, they can contact you and you can ferry messages back and forth between us to protect their identity). What's important is that our PRs don't get in each others' way; we don't want the Doctor protecting the Vigilante's target, we don't want the Cop blocked by our Blocker, it'd be pointless for the Cop to investigate the Vigilante's target since the vig target will be dead anyway...etc. etc. etc. Your words seem to make sense, but your overall sentiment seems to be that our roles should not coordinate; correct me if I'm wrong. Why is that, hmm? Look, I'm trying to give you the benefeit of the doubt here, but you're just continuing to draw my suspicion. We HAVE to work together and communicate, or the Scum's lies will go undiscovered and they'll turn us against each other. I certainly don't want that; how about you?

I must admit this concerned me as well, but thinking back I do think this is just our first officer's style. He's one to keep an eye on, but then again he always was. Hopefully tomorrow we'll know whether he's Loyal or not. Erm...I don't see why you find me suspicious? Granted, my accent was a bit distracting earlier, but I fail to see why you're so suspicious of me even after I've addressed that problem. I just want to keep our Power Roles from interfering with each other; I'm sure that if you were in my position, you'd be doing just the same as me. Then again, I'm getting the same read off of you as I did from a scummy Arab prince in that Bedtime Story I was once told, so maybe it makes sense for you to distrust me as much as I do you. Getting back to the subject at hand, if I'm a poor choice for a Town coordinator, then who WOULD you suggest?

Looks like it's time for Dak to own Atramor in the Arena.

And that's Day One, folks! I'm sure we've made the right choice, and hopefully in the Night our Vigilante can make another good one. Here's hoping for two dead Scum in the morning! We shall know only if others grant me that trust. Rest assured, those who do grant me that trust shall indeed find me worthy of it; nonetheless, if someone does not want to trust me with their role, they could still work through an intermediary to contact me; what's important is that our Power Roles work together rather than against each other, so that we can gather cohesive and comprehensive information from the Night's activities rather than a bunch of disconnected and disjointed pieces that confuse us all. A well-informed Town is the bane of Scum, and so we REALLY want to become well-informed. Thank you; I must admit, I myself find it easier to express myself with the translator equipped. In the future I'll be more considerate about such things.

So Count Shadeaux isn't French French, he's Space Fantasy French? I can understand that. Obligatory Link

I know the feeling. I'm lucky that my new college's orientation isn't until mid-July; graduating from community college has more complications attached to it, but they're spread out over a month and a half of hell, and it comes a little eariler in the year. I devote waaaaay too much energy to Eurobricks anyways, though, so you probably wouldn't notice that much of a dip even when I am insanely busy.

Don't you know it!