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This would also make sense because Geonosis probably has more potential sets than Hoth (Hoth has gotten 3 sets and pretty much the only stuff they haven't made for this wave are a Snowspeeder and Echo Base, which you can honestly combine into one set as they have in the past), so if they are planning a large AOTC wave, saving that for summer would give more space for sets. Geonosis, just from a vehicle perspective, has an AT-TE, those tanks with the giant laser from LSW III (I forgot what they're called), Tank Droids, Spider Droids, Dooku's Solar Sailer, Geonosian Starfighter, Republic Gunship, a duel set with Dooku/Yoda + Anakin + Obi-Wan, and possibly a Genosian arena. I'm obviously just speculating here, but in a hypothetical AOTC wave, those range from "impossible to skip over" to "very much feasible and could be done as a set."

Does anyone know what the release date of these packs is supposed to be? Is it January 1st or March?

This makes a lot more sense, actually. A couple of people on EB that definitely have insider info have been sort of hinting at SOMETHING heavily desirable coming, and neither of the minifigure packs really fit the bill. Like, they both seemed solid, but 3 P1 clones didn't necessarily scream "the set you've all been waiting for." Plus, some of the descriptions have mentioned that they include named characters, which again, didn't fit with the info we got. I wonder if the Rebel Trooper pack includes anyone named (General Riekan or Hoth Han Solo would be my bets if it does). I guess this puts the kibosh on the AOTC speculation for the moment (though it's still certainly possible), but I'm stoked if that's true. I think Fulcrum has been reliable in the past, if I'm not mistaken?

An airspeeder chase remake is definitely overdue, as are Gunship/AT-TE remakes, but I do agree that there isn't a whole lot from that movie that's feasible. There's about 8-10 sets from Geonosis, but...that's about it. Obi-Wan's starfighter, Jango's Slave I, and the airspeeder chase are essentially it. Technically the Royal Starship is in that movie (I think?) from the Tatooine parts, but it'd probably be an Episode I set if we ever got it. Everything else is either not really popular enough to warrant an entire set, or doesn't really have any set potential (mostly Kamino, I'd love a set of it but I don't really see where any playability comes in, and it'd be difficult to scale it down to do a small $40-50 version). The minifigure packs sound intriguing enough and I'm curious to see what they look like. Based on some early descriptions we got of these a couple of months ago, it sounded like maybe one of the figures was to be a new/exclusive version, so I'm wondering if it isn't a situation where two figures are identical and the third is some sort of captain/general. That would probably be annoying for army builders, but better for casual collectors. If it were me, I'd leave the Clones as 3 identical P1 clones and the Rebels as 2 generic soldiers and 1 that's either a pilot or some sort of commander.

I also have found this phenomenon odd in the past. For me, though, when they re-release stuff that's in high demand, I more am excited from the perspective of "Yay, now I will be able to own a set of this vehicle/scene without selling off half of my collection to pay for it!" This is especially true of things being remade from, say, 2011-12ish until the present. I feel like most sets from that era still hold up until today. Point being, if they remade the Gunship, I wouldn't care about buying a 2013 Gunship, so people can charge a million bucks for it for all I care, I'll be able to get a comparable/better one for cheaper. There are some sets where I would like the older one for nostalgia purposes, where I'd love if the price dropped. In the case of something like Cloud City, I love the old set and would enjoy owning it someday, but I bought the 2018 version for $350 (cheaper than what a new 10123 version would've cost by roughly $1000), where I got more minfigures who are more detailed, more features, and more pieces. So, overall, I'm perfectly happy with the new version. I hope that makes sense, but basically, while I'd like if secondary market prices would go down, if they release a comparable or superior version of the set, I'm fine with that.

Sure, but many of those are reasonably priced. There are a dozen Rey's Speeders still new in box for under $20, Senate Commandos BP is like $30, the Rebels BP is like $24, etc. I'm talking about paying $250 for the speeder bike set with Rex (which was like a $30 set) or whatever. That seems absurd to me, regardless of how much people want a Rex fig. In theory, the supply of the Senate Commandos and Rebels BP should be about the same as the supply of battle packs from that same era, and yet some of them are over double the price. I understand that demand plays a role, but these sets aren't 30+ years old, they're like 5. Fully agree. It's gotten to a point where I'm considering buying sets that I sorta kinda want because I'm worried the price will skyrocket in the future, so if I ever do want it, I'm locked out. This isn't an issue specific to SW either, it's happening it basically every theme. I remember specifically there was a store near my house selling used and retired Lego sets that had a sealed 7410 (Adventurers Jungle River) for $25 that I was eyeing. I went back mid-pandemic and it had literally doubled in price. It's not like the supply of sealed copies of that set suddenly halved. I'd fully believe it. The only problem is, I don't see the prices of a lot of these sets/figures dropping, they stay super high and then either get people to pay way too much money, or they don't sell at all and put the set firmly out of reach. There's still a few sets that are surprisingly untouched by this and pretty much only have the premium of being an old set, but my days of finding reasonably priced SW sets on eBay seem to be over for a while.

There's a whole side of social media/YouTube now that are Lego "investors" (ie buying up like 20 of sets and then reselling them in a year for double the price). Personally I feel at some point that bubble isn't sustainable, especially since Lego sets aren't limited in the way that other collectibles are (such as a sports star's rookie card might be). The only exception would be like SDCC promos or inside Tour sets and things, which are legitimately limited in quantity. Plus, whenever they do come out with more of that desirable figure or set, people will have way less incentive to buy the old version. Prices of old sets on the whole has kind of gone bananas in the past year. I remember a few years ago I was able to get the original Slave I for $50 sealed, which was on the low end for the time, but by no means out of the ordinary. Now that's like $200 minimum. The City Garbage truck from 2012 is like $100 sealed, for some reason (I sold a used copy for like $35 earlier this year, which I'm fairly certain is more than it originally cost). I truly don't get it. Apparently the only way to avoid it is to just buy any set you suspect you might eventually want. I understand that sealed copies of old sets are expensive because there's fewer out there, but a random $30 set from ten years ago really shouldn't be costing as much as they do. Who's buying these?

My hunch, but I really don't think a lot of prequel helmets would sell that well, anyway. At least on the internet, the vast majority of people wanting more prequel sets are wanting minifigure scale stuff. 99% of the complaints I saw about the UCS Gunship had to do with the minifigures and/or the fact that people wanted it to be minifigure scale. If you had the option to spend $50 on a helmet for a clone that just sits on your desk, or spend $55 for the AAT + a 501st Clones set, I would guess more people (myself included) would choose the latter (at this point both sets have been marked down to where that's about what they'd cost ). I'm in full agreement that the Dark Trooper is a weird choice, I don't deny that. However, the target market for these display helmets is definitely mostly adults that grew up with the OT, many of whom have a much greater affinity to that trilogy than anything else. Also, it's very clear that they're not ignoring prequel fans for some nefarious reason. They've put out several prequel/TCW sets in the past few waves of sets, including both a UCS model and several system scale items. My point here isn't to say that "we've gotten enough stuff from the prequels", but rather that as a result, they're going to have a large amount of sales data from these sets and probably know now what sells and what doesn't. So, either 1) The world's largest toy company is intentionally losing money by ignoring their sales data in order to spite fans of the prequels 2) The world's largest toy company's sales data shows that certain prequel things sell better than others, and as a result, they're choosing to focus on those selling better If I had to guess, the system scale stuff probably sold extremely well (based on how much demand there was and how hard it was to get some of these sets for the first month or so) and the Gunship probably has sold average-ish thus far.

Yeah I really don't get it either. It makes sense to not include figures in the Creator Expert vehicles that aren't based on a specific property (the VW Bus/Bug, Mustang), or in the Technic vehicles (since they don't even have studs), but for the licensed ones, I feel like figures would be a draw. I will say, I'm not super disappointed about it, since I have the minifigure scale DeLorean, so I've got Marty and Doc figures (realistically that's who would've come with it anyway), but I very much hope we get more minifigure scale sets in the future. They could definitely improve upon the DeLorean (I understand why they made the hood the way it is, so you could attach the BTTF3 Time Circuits), and not to mention the other viable sets from the franchise as well.

From my understanding of eBay policy, if you were to send the replacement part and prove that you did so (postal receipt and maybe a photo of the part being bagged), you'd be in the clear. I would push for that or a partial refund, since it's literally just one part.

I think scale is the biggest thing. For whatever reason, outside of SW UCS ships or Batman D2C vehicles, they just don't really seem to do minifigures if the set isn't minifigure scale. The Bond Aston Martin didn't get any, the Ecto-1 didn't get any, and now this one isn't getting any either. The sets that you mentioned, plus other Ideas ones, while they are priced and targeted towards adults, are minifigure compatible. This set is entirely a display piece, unlike those that you mentioned, which have playability. I don't think these big vehicles appeal to kids in the same way that the Sesame Street or Pooh sets would, even if those sets are expensive. Conjecture on my part, but it also might be due to what will sell. Again, this doesn't explain why the SW/Batman vehicles do have minifigures and the ones not in that theme don't, but I'd imagine they have to know that people will buy an Ecto-1 or a DeLorean regardless of minifigures, whereas the minifigures are a huge selling point for the Sesame Street or Friends sets. I think a minifigure stand with Marty and Doc would look fantastic (and let's be honest, they could get SUPER creative with it for this one - maybe model it after the Twin/Lone Pines Mall sign? Maybe make it look like a Hoverboard? Making a trail of flames?), but I guess we just have to hope for a new minifigure scale DeLorean or a Hill Valley set in the future. I really want more BTTF minifigures too, and I wish there were some in this set, but the precedent just isn't there.

I usually temper my expectations, but I feel like jdubbs is generally very deliberate when making somewhat ambiguous comments in regards to future sets. Of course, it could be nothing at all, but I'm choosing to believe it's something

I get the sense there's going to be information coming out soon that will please a lot of people.

I'd third the Kashyyk suggestion, provided you're not doing Yavin IV/Dagobah/Endor for the OT. I think some of the vehicles (Tank Droid, Wookiee Catamaran, Turbo Tank) would be quite fun in a micro scale. I think Naboo is also different enough from the others (kind of similar to Yavin IV, possibly) to where a space battle would work with the N-1 Starfighters. Geonosis also is distinct enough, at least to me, from Jakku or Tatooine, since it's a lot redder. As far as the sequels go, Exegol could be interesting. You could build some of the spires of the Sith temple, and then have a ton of Star Destroyers and other ships above. The actual planet would be kind of boring, probably just some terrain with the temple structures, but there's a lot of potential for the space battle above. I suppose you could do Canto Bight, even if there wasn't really a space battle above it?

The only reason that I'm not sure we'd get one is that the Cantina, at least anecdotally, seems to be the best seller out of any MBS set they've done so far. Assault on Hoth was kind of a whole thing and seems to be one of the most unpopular D2Cs they've ever done. While Cloud City was arguably one of the most requested sets of the past decade, it only had like a year and a half shelf life and didn't seem to stay out of stock long. The Cantina went out of stock for, like, three months (to be fair, that may have been pandemic related, though), so I wonder if they won't keep it around longer than the other MBS sets have stuck around. If that's the case, I'm wondering if they'd leave two MBS sets out at once. I know that we've sort of had it with the Death Star being on shelves at the same time as Hoth/Cloud City/the Cantina, but it's sort of a different market altogether ($800 vs $350).

Looks to be, yes. I think in the 2021 thread (or maybe it was this one), someone did the math based on the pictures and determined about how high the AT-AT should be, based on the minifigures next to it. They determined that it was pretty might right at minifig scale.

Not counting MBS stuff, the UCS sets that have come with more than 2-3 figures are: 10179 Millenium Falcon (5 minifigures) 10188 Death Star (24 minifigures) 10212 Imperial Shuttle (4 minifigures) 10221 Super Star Destroyer (5 minifigures) 10236 Ewok Village (17 minifigures) 75079 Sandcrawler (14 minifigures) 75060 Slave I (5 minifigures, counting the Han Carbonite block) 75098 Assault on Hoth (15 minifigures) 75159 Death Star (27 minifigures) 75192 Millenium Falcon (8 minifigures) Of those, 10188, 10236, 75098, and 75159 are essentially MBS sets, as they are all location based dioramas, as opposed to ships. 10179, 10212, 75060 and 75192 are at or very close to being minifigure scale. As such, the minifigures can be used with them in a way that they can't with the larger UCS ships. 75079 is smaller than minifigure scale, but the same principles apply, because minifigures still look relatively proportional next to it, and there's space on the interior to put minfigures where they aren't completely dwarfed by the set, as opposed to putting the A-Wing pilot into the cockpit of the UCS A-Wing, where it just doesn't work. The only one that breaks the pattern is 10221, in that it's a lot smaller than minifigure scale and doesn't really have the play features in the same way that others do, it just has the one command area where Vader talks to the Bounty Hunters, and I'm not even sure if the figures can fit with the roof of the set put into place. However, that set came out like ten years ago and we haven't had any other sets break the pattern since. In essence, it seems pretty clear that if a set is either at or close to minifigure scale, we get a lot of minifigures. If it's larger than minifigure scale, they're included as a bonus to display, but they can't interact with the set in the same way, so we don't get tons of extras.

I'm not going to be buying this set (I can't justify $800 for one set, regardless of how cool it is), but it looks incredible. I guess cloth kamas aren't a thing anymore, which is kind of unfortunate because the one Snowtrooper I have with the cloth kama looks awesome. I know that it causes some issues in terms of being able to sit down, which is sort of a problem in this set with the space for troop carrying, so maybe they'll come back in the future?

I'm on the younger end of fans on Eurobricks, so I guess I might have perspective on some people around my age. I never really had a "dark ages" even though I may not buy as many sets as I used to. I think most people that I knew probably stopped buying/playing with Lego stuff in middle school or so (ages 12-14, approximately). At the very least, that's when it became less socially acceptable to talk about it. So, if there are any people that still were into it later than that, they never really mentioned it.

On the plus side, I think the chances of a Lego wave just went up exponentially! I was loosely following the news of filming earlier in the summer, I wonder if this is related to Ford getting injured on set and delaying things, or if it's just them needing extra time to film?

The other thing that, admittedly, doesn't look great for the existence of an IJ reboot is that it would make a TON of sense for them to do some sets based off of the first four films. Even if they didn't have as large of a wave as last time, some of the classic scenes would absolute deserve to either have their sets remade or made for the first time. Those wouldn't need to wait, since the source material already exists.

I think there's still an outside chance of a theme, but only if they were keeping it under very deep cover. I remember this time two years ago, we didn't know what "Leaf" was (the assumption was that it was the action/adventure theme that eventually became Monkie Kid, which was confusing for everyone, since that didn't seem worthy of a ton of hype) until the reveal in March that it was Mario. It seems a little bit unlikely that the same is true for IJ, since they probably would've wanted to keep the Mario license under wraps, given the fact that it's a brand new partnership and the new technology involved, whereas there's already a ton of Disney themes and they've done IJ in the past, but it's still plausible. I would be surprised if there isn't anything, though, I expect that the movie will have a ton of hype and the prices for IJ stuff on the secondary market are nuts, so there's definitely demand for a reboot of the theme, but it's also possible that the appeal for a full line may not be there and the prices are just high because the sets are old and the IP is still fairly popular.

I don't want to put words in your mouth, but also, it seems like you were making the point of "If you made a pack for one clone legion, then released another one six months later, the second one will probably sell worse, because to a lot of people, they're all clones, so why bother with the second one if they already bought the first?" That to me is a little bit different than having a clone available in a minifigure pack as well as a set at the same time, since the minifigure packs are sort of supplementary. It would be like them releasing a set with Stormtroopers at the same time as a minifigure pack that comes with Vader, a Stormtrooper, and Ben Kenobi, versus them putting out that minifigure pack at the same time as a minifigure pack that's two Sandtroopers and C-3PO. The figures are different, but probably not distinct enough to warrant choosing one over the other to a casual fan or a kid.

If I had to guess, I don't think this is super feasible within their business model. As far as the recycling goes, it would certainly work for molds, but they rarely, if ever, like to just re-use the same design. Even when it's a BARC or Jedi Starfighter, there tend to be slight differences in each iteration of the vehicle or set. I'm not sure if you meant literally re-making the same set with different clones or whatever, but it just doesn't seem like something they've ever done or shown an interest in doing. As far as the shelf lives, the seasonal stuff or promotions, I would assume, are produced in smaller quantities and tend to be a lot smaller. When they produce regular sets, I'd guess the production runs are a lot larger, because they're assuming that the shelf life is longer. Plus, most of the seasonal stuff generally doesn't have any new prints or molds. I don't know the specifics of that Spiderman set, but it seems like they really don't want to have sets with short shelf lives if they're part of a specific theme. I would also guess that anything larger than, like, $30 needs to have a longer shelf life.

I think it's likely that one or multiple TBoBF sets are revealed during this toy reveal. Last year they did that with the Trouble on Tatooine set, when the toy reveal weeks were Mandalorian focused. It would only really make sense for them to reveal a toy based on TBoBF. And one last thing on the action figures, I don't know if my previous comment really articulated this well, but people are pointing to "These clone figures sold out instantly" which is probably true, but I'm also looking on a site right now with all of the Black Series releases from the past 8-12 months, I've legitimately never seen 95% of these in stores. I think I saw Cal Kestis, Bo-Katan, Chopper, Celebration Luke, Greef Karga, Wrecker, K-2SO and Hoth Han. Everything, whether it's OT, PT, ST, or expanded universe (with the exception of Rogue One, because I swear there are still toys from the release of that movie sitting on shelves) they put out seems to sell out, which I think is more of an issue of them underproducing figures than anything else.