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Lego_GBC_NL replied to Jim's topic in LEGO Technic, Mindstorms, Model Team and Scale Modeling
@Ankoku That's great to see! Perhaps I missed some of your posts, because I didn't even realize you had already finished the model in real life. Looking forward to seeing your video one day, I'm sure you'll get it to work perfectly Also thanks for the extensive explanation and your experience gained during the building process. Much appreciated and it's always nice to hear about this personal aspect and the mods that have been made! Nice to read that PG52 provided some additional pictures and that the original designer is "on board" when it comes to instructions being made for the module. By the way, I have been wondering about the lack of giving credits by PV-Productions, always had some doubts on how this went down... I fully understand making step-by-step BI is a lot of work. I notice these days that more and more downloadable Stud.io 3D models look great and are qualitatively speaking really good, but often contain only one huge step. Sometimes I take the time to work on step-by-step instructions myself, but I agree it's time consuming and I too need to learn more about it and get the hang of it. I didn't even pay attention to the ratchet system in the video of PG52 until I read your comment just now Indeed I would leave it in the instructions to keep it as close as possible to the original design, if other builders wish to remove it, they can... Always like GBC modules that are self syncing! (Akiyuki's Ball Factory...? hehe ) Do you mean "The Sun" sign at the top is still there in your build, but just without the rack and pinion mechanism making it move up and down? Cannot really tell by looking at your picture.- 1,124 replies
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Lego_GBC_NL replied to Jim's topic in LEGO Technic, Mindstorms, Model Team and Scale Modeling
@Ankoku, posted a while ago, but I was wondering if you ever managed to work on a 3D model and/or building instructions for "The Sun" GBC module by PG52? Really liked this one ever since I first saw the video and would certainly like to build it myself one day and add it to my GBC collection I know the module is also part of "GBC 30 Fun Park" by PV-Productions, but those instructions are quite expensive- 1,124 replies
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At the end of 2015, when building the Ball Factory, I used Blakbird's 3D/MPD file to see the model from some different angles, was quite useful sometimes. At that time I was still using MLCad, so that certainly works for this specific file. In the meantime I also switched to Stud.io, but have to agree it doesn't always load the slightly older LDraw files correctly.
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Also found this on my pc... https://bricksafe.com/files/Lego_GBC_NL/miscellaneous/Akiyuki Ball Factory.mpd
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That's good to hear! Was getting a bit worried as it was so quiet lately around the Ball Cleaner builds. Hope you can finish it soon and all works well
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[GBC] Akiyuki Ball Factory
Lego_GBC_NL replied to Berthil's topic in LEGO Technic, Mindstorms, Model Team and Scale Modeling
Amazing, almost didn't recognize it being the Ball Factory, partially looks like a complete new module! But looks great and so far everything seems to be working in a smooth way! For sure very stable and solid and easy to move around. Glad to hear you'll continue working on it, looking forward to see the progress on the next steps! Thanks for sharing the update!- 465 replies
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[GBC] Akiyuki Ball Factory
Lego_GBC_NL replied to Berthil's topic in LEGO Technic, Mindstorms, Model Team and Scale Modeling
Great idea to create a separate topic for this one and to centralize all improvements, mods and variations! Worked well for the Akiyuki train system. Also for me this was the first GBC I built at the end of 2015 and it's still one of my favorites. Although quite fragile and indeed difficult to move around, I loved working on it and spent quite some time back then on setup, timing, alignment etc. Unfortunately never got it to run flawlessly and 100% reliably for a longer period of time... It's now collecting dust on a shelf and that's a real pity for such an iconic piece of Lego machinery, so I'll follow this thread with great interest, because I'm certainly planning to rebuild the Ball Factory at some point in time and I'm sure this thread will be of great help!- 465 replies
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@HRU_Bricks, that looks awesome! Truly a streamlined and beautifully shaped GBC! Looks so neat, similar to Akiyuki and Quanix masterpieces! Have a million questions for you (), but will ask them at a later stage when I'm actually starting my pneumatic build (few other projects to finish first). Also, maybe better to further discuss it on ReBrickable as here in the Akiyuki thread it's a bit off topic I guess... Anyway, thanks for sharing the vid, free instructions, parts list and supporting document with explanations (pdf building notes), much appreciated!! Don't own a Lego Boost set yet, but this might be an excellent reason to purchase one Looking at your factory and the ones created by Quanix, I start to believe it's wiser (for someone without much experience with / knowledge of pneumatics) to first try a smaller project. Yours seems to be perfect for that! Think it's a good start to my pneumatic Lego GBC adventure!
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Would love to see that video! Believe I haven't seen any videos or pictures yet of someone who managed to successfully build one of the versions of the Pneumatic Ball Factory (or part of it), so would be nice to have some kind of "proof" to see that it's feasible... Version 1 was already fantastic, but with V2 & V3 it's getting better and better! Indeed I think it will be very difficult to get the whole thing running flawlessly, certainly seeing that so many pneumatic parts are involved. Level of difficulty with regards to timing, setup and alignment must be similar to Akiyuki's Ball Factory! So it will be a challenge Just read some of the communication you had with Quanix on YouTube (V3 video). His explanation on the timing surprised and amazed me: "I do not calculate the timing of the Control Unit. The timing of certain processes, I get down with throttling. All you have to do is narrow down the cross section of the hose. Thus, one obtains a time delay and slower speed of the cylinders". Nice that he shared some pictures of this throttling method, seems complicated...
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Ok great, that's good to hear! At the moment I have 2 blue ones, but will acquire more airtanks if needed for any huge pneumatic project Still consider giving Quanix' Pneumatic Ball Factory (v1) a go at some point in the future, seeing that reverse engineering has been done for a considerable part of it and decent instructions have been created (KrisBrix, Turbopolofr,...). I agree with both of you on the cheating thing. I'm really a Lego purist as well, so would be great if no external devices are used! Wow, looks superb and runs smoothly! Really like the colour combination of black and yellow! Also nice to see how all pneumatic tubes "fly around" in the video (it's like they're everywhere ), but how neat everything turns out in the end when looking to the pictures! Think I'll need to order some extra meters of Lego tubes soon... Well done! Never owned an NXT set, only EV3, so have always wondered how they differ from each other. What did you need to adjust in your version to get things working with NXT?
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@JuroenLOL, funny to hear it was that simple Better/easier/cheaper if it's just common Technic parts like an axle pin and axle connector... looking at the picture it really looked like Akiyuki used some kind of special part as the axle connector seemed to narrow down at one end, but maybe it was just an optical illusion due to the angle of the picture When I started ordering/collecting parts for Quanix' air compressor I also had doubts about the type of cylinders/pumps to use, in the building instructions he included the "normal"/old ones. In the end I used the unreinforced type (Lego ID 19482c01), but mainly because I had them laying around and both types are quite expensive if you wish to buy them new and need quantities of 8 or even 16 . Had no issues/fails so far with the unreinforced ones, but I do have to admit I didn't have the compressor run for hours and I didn't use it for any huge pneumatic module, such as the Ball Cleaner or Pneumatic Ball Factory. I read in the comments of one of the Pneumatic Ball Factory vids on YouTube that Quanix first tried to use his own air compressors (first the XL version, then XXL), but as he kept enlarging the project by adding more and more pneumatic cylinders/pumps, he eventually decided to switch to an external air compressor. Guess the Ball Cleaner uses a bit less pumps/cylinders and also in terms of total length of pneumatic tubes it's a different story I think, so the XXL version might do the trick (at least I hope so ). @HRU_BricksGreat, that sounds very promising! Guess we need to have a little patience then... Your modified version of Quanix' air compressor looks very solid and sturdy, like it! Did you use any of those blue/white pneumatic airtanks for storing more air? Will we need those to operate the Ball Cleaner I wonder...?
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Looking better and better! Glad to see you could continue working on it, hope you'll finish the build soon and everything will run smoothly, can't wait to see a video In the meantime I built Quanix' air compressor for another pneumatic module (XL version with 2 XL motors and 8 cylinders). Must say that runs splendidly, very solid construction, easy to build, not too noisy and a reliable/constant air flow and pressure. Still wondering how many of those would be needed to operate the Ball Cleaner if no external air compressor is used, but I guess we'll know the answer to that question soon Thanks Juroen for keeping us in the loop of your project, always nice to see the progress made! @Juroen, did you ever find out what that gray part was that you were unable to identify some time ago? Or did you use some kind of workaround? Just curious... @drullph20, was also curious to know how your build of the Ball Cleaner was progressing... Maybe you could team up I recall Juroen saying he wasn't planning on making instructions himself, but he would take pictures of the building process, so if someone else is willing and able to make a 3D model / pdf instructions of it, that would be superb! Collaborations of that kind are not unusual here on Eurobricks. Guess it's better though to wait till the build is 100% finalized and working flawlessly.
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Never came across official 100cm EV3 cables... perhaps custom made ones do exist... Also, these NXT/EV3 extenders seem to work http://www.mindsensors.com/ev3-and-nxt/91-extender-for-nxtev3-cables
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Great, thanks everyone for your valuable feedback! Now I feel 100% comfortable to continue the build Really nice to see that after a while this thread is still alive, others are also in the process of building this and we can still ask questions here (and receive answers!). Besides that, I actually learned something today about cars/suspensions/torsion bars... I Googled it a bit and now it all makes sense! Awesome build so far (only at page 34...), can't wait to finish it!
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Hello, I just starting building this awesome model (finally! ), but I’m having some doubts about part of the rear suspensions. My issue is with part ID 6536 (Technic, Axle and Pin Connector Perpendicular) and the angle this part (and the 7L axle that goes through it) should have on page 29 - steps 19/20 of the PDF instructions made by @Thorsten50 and on picture IMG_9615.jpg of the Photo Sequence Building Instructions made by @DugaldIC. See pictures below. Part ID 32009 (Technic, Liftarm 1 x 11.5 Double Bent Thick ) later on forces part 6536 to be in this non-straight angle. Initially this is fine, but once the red shock absorber is attached to the black L-shaped 2x4 liftarms, the 7L axle and part 6365 are under an enormous amount of pressure and the left and right sides of the structure are unequal/uneven. Looking at pictures made by others it seems that this +/- 30 degrees angle is intentionally and is supposed to be there, but in all pics I’ve seen the structure as such remains straight/even. Problem seems to be that the other side of the 7L axle doesn’t make the same angle as this side is fixed by the 2x 6632 (Technic, Liftarm 1 x 3 Thin). See my own picture below. For the designers/people who already built it: anyone remembers having an issue with this or anyone can advise me or knows what’s going wrong in my build? Must be a building mistake somewhere, but after some hours I still can’t figure it out. Built the rear suspensions using the PDF instructions as well as the Photo Sequence Building Instructions, but both have the same outcome. I’m afraid to continue the build as I’d like to avoid having to take apart a lot later on. Thanks in advance for your help on this!
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Yes, but you're reverse engineering a module (and one of the more difficult ones). Some of us (like myself) are "just" (re)building based on completed instructions and fully tested modules, so there's a huge difference
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Due to lack of space and spare parts I decided to take apart the complete train module last year, so I'm unable to do any tests/checks at this point in time. Some Akiyuki GBC modules I might rebuild some day as the building processes are simply awesome and I certainly learned from some mistakes made during the 1st builds. On the agenda to rebuild are the Ball Factory, Invisible Lift and Train Module. However, the new 2018 Train Module also looks amazing, so that's most certainly also an option (especially when seeing all the great mods/additions made by others!).
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Yes, more or less at the same speed, think a bit faster was even possible. No friction at all... Same as with the Ball Factory, if built correctly, it can be easily operated manually.
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@9v system, when I built this back in 2016 I had similar issues with the Crane Loader. Must say that in my build it was not the long chain that kept on breaking though, but simply lack of power when moving the crane. Same as @Blakbird I spent some hours trying to find the friction problem, but unfortunately without any success I could literally move the whole thing in a smooth way using only my little finger, without any real strength/pressure, but once the train wagon/motor had to provide the power to do all the moving, it just didn't work. It did get it moving, but way too slow and not very nice to look at. In the end I decided to use the extra motor/mechanism designed by @Blakbird, he provided a video and LDraw file for it, which was posted somewhere in this thread. At least this worked and I was glad I didn't build the whole module for nothing See video below. So I really couldn't tell you which parts to check for friction or how to solve this issue. In fact, after more than 2 years I'm still curious myself... @Ankoku, footage of the Bucket Wheel Tower starts around 4:35 (in case you're still planning to build it). Must say this module ran quite smoothly without any problems, but perhaps you see it differently...
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That amazes me! Nice progress, looks like you're really gonna finish it! Always wondered how people manage to reverse engineer these complicated Akiyuki machines... just by looking at the video and available pictures? Did you find out what the gray parts are? Tried to find it myself yesterday, but without any luck. What about the EV3 program file? I thought that 9v system received the program from Akiyuki...
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My best guess would be those are rigid hoses, BrickLink part # 75c01, 75c02, 75c03 etc (they come in many sizes). In contrast to the flexible pneumatic hoses, the rigid hoses are non-flexible and thinner (3mm instead of 4mm), so they can easily be attached to / inserted in other parts (like 4274 Technic, Pin 1/2 or 2555 Tile, Modified 1 x 1 with Clip). I have one old Lego Technic set from 1992 that uses both hoses (8868 Air Tech Claw Rig). In the instructions of set 8868 you can see that the rigid hoses are used to connect pneumatic hoses, similar to what Akiyuki did for the Ball Cleaner. https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=75c05&idColor=10#T=C&C=10 https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=8868-1 Unfortunately not (anymore)... I built around 10 modules over the last years, but due to lack of space and spare parts I decided to take apart some of them (Train module with crane loader, Ball Factory etc.). I didn't make pictures of all of them, just made once a poor quality video of an Akiyuki layout containing 5 or 6 modules. Nothing special by the way, all built using the instructions provided in this thread
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Great, sounds like a solid plan! The compressor by Quanix would indeed be an excellent starting point I think, easily to extend (as shown in his video) and would be awesome if adapted to / integrated into Akiyuki style. Good luck with the reverse engineering, hope to see your next post/picture on the progress soon!
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Nice start! I'm following your progress on the Ball Cleaner with great expectations! This has always been one of my favorite Akiyuki "machines" as indeed it's a "beast" combining GBC, EV3, pneumatics and electrical functionalities. If you finish it and get it running reliably, consider me one of the first to build it (if building instructions would be made available) Got lots of spare parts lying around, waiting to be used for a fantastic module such as the Ball Cleaner (EV3 set, air tubes/hoses, valves, pumps, other pneumatic parts such as the pressure gauge/manometer). Even got two pieces of part # 4692 (Technic Pneumatic Distribution Block 2 x 4) that Akiyuki used Was wondering about the air compressor though. I believe I read somewhere in the comments on YouTube that Akiyuki used an external (non-Lego) air compressor to get the Ball Cleaner working. As a Lego purist, I would of course prefer to have everything 100% made out of Lego, but will it be feasible with regards to the Ball Cleaner? How big would a Lego air compressor need to be to constantly provide sufficient air input (how many motors, how many pneumatic pumps)? I don't have enough knowledge/experience with pneumatics, but perhaps others can shine a light on stuff like air pressure, psi and bar. Out of curiosity: how many of these air compressors made by Quanix would be needed (8 pumps / 2 XL PF motors)?
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Nice to see you posting again in the thread that brought us all so much joy! Not sure if I got the right answer to your question, but I do know that between posting your original instructions (2016) and Akiyuki's latest train module (2018), there was an improved version that Akiyuki first presented at Brickfest 2017 => GBC Train (electrical switch type). Personally I never built that one (still have the older one), but it was Laurent/Courbet who created the building instructions for that version. It's on page 39 of this thread. Again, not sure if that's what you're looking for...
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the beam thingy was not part of Akiyuki's original design of the invisible lift (you can see this in his video on YouTube). This additional part was added by The Rebricker (reverse engineering) to keep one of the axles from moving. The axle in question was "creeping out" of one of the gears. Blakbird wisely included this in the pdf instructions. I built the invisible lift about 2 years ago and I also added it to be safe Never had any issues. The Rebricker explains why he added this in one of his instruction videos (Invisible Lift - Final Assembly and Timing) around 21:25. He clearly shows how/where to assemble it and how to place the beam between the two 40 tooth gears. By the way, when reading all messages about the ball factory and invisible lift, I really feel like rebuilding them For sure not the easiest GBCs out there, but it was a challenge and I really enjoyed working on them!
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