TwistLaw
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Where did I say HF stopped innovating? I just said that 2013-2014 were quieter years in the await of BIONICLE's return. Also there's a reason to assume the impossible (or in this case unknown): discussing. I don't actually see anything wrong with that. -
While five years were indeed a lot, HF was "axed" in 2012. Since BIONICLE wasn't ready yet, they kept on milking a mildly successful line until the cake wasn't baked.
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This is pure speculation, no reason to hyperventilate. As this article clearly statesHero Factory wasn't exactly the hit LEGO hoped it to be, something further confirmed by the fact that after two years on the shelves the danish company was already thinking about replacing it (back in 2012, with BIONICLE of course). With the recent surge in CCBS popping out in System themes like Super Heroes and Star Wars I have the feeling that LEGO is testing as much as possible to see if CCBS may be profitable in other ways rather than the easiest one, aka by a CCBS-only theme. Now, the real question is: in case BIONICLE doesn't reach stellar sales, on HF levels if not lower, do you think that LEGO may pull the plug and let CCBS live only through System themes? Or they'll bite as long as they can with new themes until they hit the jackpot? (please note: I'm assuming for the sake of discussion that BIONICLE G2 will have average sales, I'm not stating it currently has average sales)
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While Europe was somewhat lucky with the CCBS Star Wars sets, we took it in the butter with the System ones. As I said, Ray's Speeder costs almost the double in the Old Continent as it does in the USA. And Italy gets the constraction sets in OCTOBER, but that's another story.
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But they've never been this overpriced. Just look at Ray's speeder...
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I know, but usually when there are no posts between my messages it usally compacts them into a single one. Dunno why it didn't do the trick this time.
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Anway, IT LOOKS LIKE someone might be leaking in the next 5 hours the descriptions of the 2016 BIONICLE sets. The source is /toy/, 4chan, and since the Nekchir fiasco I'd rather be waiting before hyping. Now that I've informed you let the usual discussion continue.
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Deleted, appearing in the name of a set, means only one thing in my book. I seriously hope I'm wrong and we're not in front of a last minute cancellation
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Weren't you the one saying that Google Trends data are not that important, when talking about the fact that Hero Factory saw little online searches even at its peak, especially when compared to BIONICLE and Ninjago? Just curious, nothing threatening in my words
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Here in Italy, aka the Third World of the LEGO planet, we're getting the SW figure in October. Yep, you read that right. Freaking October.
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Damn son, why do you have to remind us about the golden days so hard? :'(
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I think we'll have the very same MoCr we got this year, since it was the most expensive mask to make. There's also a high probability we'll get Toa with this year's masks, in order to make things cheaper and help brand recognisability.
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Outsider, we've speculated to death. There's literally nothing new to talk about until we get images. Unless you wanna ask for the tenth time how much we think Ekimu 2.0 will cost...
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VVBN, are you trying to tell us something?
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I think next week we'll see those damn leaks, if last year is a good indication. Waiting for them has become sooo painful ;___;
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VVBN, your craftsmanship in the art of memes makes me want to have babies with you.
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Well, the 20$ BIONICLE sets were overpriced themselves, so I'd say 30$ for this big meaty boy is a even fairer trade. Oh, and thanks for the review mate!
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Since this thread is substantially dead, and will soon be replaced, I'd love to read an answer by Aanchir and Quisoves Pugnat about the matter we were discussing yesterday. I think there still are a couple of points that need to be cleared, and since the small off topic was started here we may end it here. I guess it won't interfere with any other major topic, will it? :D
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Mmh is it still active? Anyway I'm not making any kind of comparison, rather than a list of things that grind my gears. G1 has its fair share of faults and I'm aware of this.
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Fine, but after five years of CCBS we still see more or less the same structures repeated again and again using more or less the same pieces. Shells are always shells, torsos are almost always torsos and so on. The very same thing happened in G1, but at least we had a plump stream of reskins until 2006.
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Very very nice.
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The problem is that CCBS is something completely different from bricks, go ask any AFOL out there. Jeez, they didn't even want the CCBS Star Wars thread in their own section. If you compare this year's Skyhopper and the Wookie Gunship, it's quiete clear we have two completely different sets in front of us. But if you do the same thing with most HF sets until IFB, especially heroes, well... this year is probably the first one where we have a wide and creative use of CCBS, and that's why I've begun liking the system. Action figures are much harder to make distinguishable from each other, unlike bricks. G1, while being embarrassingly full of clones, gave us a much wider visual difference in its first four years than CCBS did. I don't really wanna be that guy, but guess which one of the two sold "what it had to sell" and which one changed toy industry. I know historical context is fundamental, and I love CCBS thanks to G2, but these are all small things that need to be considered. You make a very good point when you say that LEGO allowed HF to have a successor, I'll give you that. But between failure and success there's a middle point, and that's 'filling a niche". As yourself said, constraction is a niche, therefore doesn't need to sell Ninjago levels: so what's wrong with saying that 2015 BIONICLE is a secondary theme in LEGO's eyes? Chima had a launch G2 BIONICLE could only dream of having, and the theme's average run may be one of the causes new Bonkles didn't have one so big. Also, I never said CCBS was a failure. Just a way to satisfy a niche that could have been handled better. LEGO itself recognised HF's less than spectacular run. In conclusion, CCBS does not have the variety that bricks have to justify reusing the same pieces over and over again. A torso piece can be used only as a torso piece (or as leg armour, like *ugh* Tahu). A brick has almost infinite possibilities (I can't believe I'm using the average BIONICLE-hater's golden argument).
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Something doesn't need to be popular in order to be produced, it's enough it does what it has to do. Funnily enough, this is what we've been told about Hero Factory during the last four years: it sell what it has to sell. Doesn't sound promising, does it? CCBS being used in other (extremely popular) themes is more an attempt by LEGO to make profitable something they've spent quite some money into. Besides, CCBS looks more or less the same in all of its appearances (the SW sets introduce like three new pieces heads aside).
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I really like all of this.
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Sooooo, it's basically confirmed that BIONICLE is (and will be? ) a second tier property for LEGO. Thanks everything 2008-onward for ruining constraction's reputation :/