tomfow Posted February 7 Posted February 7 If I look at 18+ technic sets... 2359 pieces ..that´s like Liebherr Crawler with 2883, Mercedes G500 with 2891...or recent Volvo+Excavator with 2274 (not 18+ set) is very close.. Formula cars, motobikes and sport cars are in 1400-1900 range.. While McLaren P1, Ferrari SP3, Sian are 3893, 3778 and 3696. (looking back - Defender is 2573 and Volvo Hauler 6x6 about 2193) Something like Defender/G500..another one, that is probably too soon...and piece count is too small for another super car.. It can be anything :D but I bet on something like Liebherr Crawler but smaller, demolition excavator using a parts from crawler perhaps sounds ok? It is little bigger to Volvo 6x6 and Volvo+Excavator and smaller to Crawler.. Plus because we are missing similar piece count recent car/bike.. Quote
Bartybum Posted February 8 Posted February 8 (edited) On 2/7/2025 at 7:02 PM, Ngoc Nguyen said: A demolition excavator isn't something with high display value so my guess is 42214. Expand I think an 18+ set with 2.5k pieces would suit an RC excavator just fine. Remember that 8043 only had ~1.2k pieces - increase the scale by 20-25% and you've got yourself roughly double the volume/piece count. I wouldn't rule it out so quickly Edited February 8 by Bartybum Quote
dhc6twinotter Posted February 8 Posted February 8 8043 was an amazing set. A successor to that would be very welcome. I’d love to see it. Quote
Auroralampinen Posted February 8 Posted February 8 (edited) On 2/8/2025 at 7:35 PM, dhc6twinotter said: 8043 was an amazing set. A successor to that would be very welcome. I’d love to see it. Expand Well i have made a smaller version of the 8043 and i want also succsessor to 8043 maybe even more technicaly complicated motorized wheel excavator would be cool and my mini version is wheeled version:) edit for clarification not a bucket wheel excavator but like 42053 but size of 42082 and fully motorized:) Edited February 8 by Auroralampinen Quote
Jockos Posted February 8 Posted February 8 On 2/8/2025 at 7:35 PM, dhc6twinotter said: 8043 was an amazing set. A successor to that would be very welcome. I’d love to see it. Expand Well, we did have a very similar one (if it counts); 42100. It wasn't that technically complex, but was very playable, like 8043. Quote
allanp Posted February 9 Posted February 9 (edited) We've had a couple RC excavator flagships that were driven with motors and LAs. Can we get a flagship excavator that's RC pneumatic? It shouldn't be too hard to make an excavator more mechanically authentic and with better, to scale movement speed. 42100 was well engineered and quite powerful but moved too slow for scale speed (though it was perfect to introduce the new C+ system at that time). 8043 was nicely complex, but also too complex for it's little motors to handle, and thus was too slow and weak, and both weren't realistic. So let's get a pneumatic one with a new, much more manly compressor than the single pump design of the past. A demolition excavator? This could be a great use case for pneumatics as you could have the demo claw attachment be swappable with a regulator bucket. Then to reattach the demo claw you can attach the hoses to power it. With one new bucket piece, this would really increase playability. Edited February 9 by allanp Quote
Oh_Hi_Mao Posted February 9 Posted February 9 On 2/9/2025 at 8:57 AM, allanp said: We've had a couple RC excavator flagships that were driven with motors and LAs. Can we get a flagship excavator that's RC pneumatic? It shouldn't be too hard to make an excavator more mechanically authentic and with better, to scale movement speed. 42100 was well engineered and quite powerful but moved too slow for scale speed (though it was perfect to introduce the new C+ system at that time). 8043 was nicely complex, but also too complex for it's little motors to handle, and thus was too slow and weak, and both weren't realistic. So let's get a pneumatic one with a new, much more manly compressor than the single pump design of the past. A demolition excavator? This could be a great use case for pneumatics as you could have the demo claw attachment be swappable with a regulator bucket. Then to reattach the demo claw you can attach the hoses to power it. With one new bucket piece, this would really increase playability. Expand That's some nice wishful thinking, but if excavator will be a flagship I hope it would have one hub and gearbox. Not two hubs and 7 motors. Arm and claw itself require 4 functions (two axis of motion for the arm, open of the claw and rotation of the claw). Quote
allanp Posted February 9 Posted February 9 (edited) On 2/9/2025 at 10:15 AM, Oh_Hi_Mao said: That's some nice wishful thinking, but if excavator will be a flagship I hope it would have one hub and gearbox. Not two hubs and 7 motors. Arm and claw itself require 4 functions (two axis of motion for the arm, open of the claw and rotation of the claw). Expand Partly wishful thinking maybe however, surely if they are releasing another flagship excavator then it will be somehow different to what we've already had, at least in the studless era of Technic. We've already had motor/gearbox combo with 8043, and a one motor per function version with 42100. So while a pneumatic version might be more desirable to me as it would be more realistic, I also think it happens to make more sense. RC pneumatic would also be a first, and the first pneumatic flagship for 10 years. Edited February 9 by allanp Quote
mpj Posted February 9 Posted February 9 On 2/9/2025 at 8:57 AM, allanp said: A demolition excavator? This could be a great use case for pneumatics as you could have the demo claw attachment be swappable with a regulator bucket. Then to reattach the demo claw you can attach the hoses to power it. With one new bucket piece, this would really increase playability. Expand It looks it actually has a claw and bucket. Quote
howitzer Posted February 9 Posted February 9 On 2/9/2025 at 12:52 PM, mpj said: It looks it actually has a claw and bucket. Expand Swappable attachments for an excavator would be a very welcome function upgrade, as practically every real construction excavator has this feature and no Lego excavator has yet demonstrated it. Quote
allanp Posted February 9 Posted February 9 On 2/9/2025 at 12:52 PM, mpj said: It looks it actually has a claw and bucket. Expand It looks? Have you seen it? Quote
Timorzelorzworz Posted February 9 Posted February 9 (edited) Lego is using the new C+ hub for future remote controlled sets. So this excavator might use two hubs with 6 builtin motors. One hub with motors for the undercarriage and one for the upperstructute. Sounds for an expensive Set. The new designed hub screams for a tracked vehicle, so thats no surprise they made that excavator Edited February 9 by Timorzelorzworz Quote
allanp Posted February 9 Posted February 9 On 2/9/2025 at 4:04 PM, Timorzelorzworz said: Lego is using the new C+ hub for future remote controlled sets. So this excavator might use two hubs with 6 builtin motors. One hub with motors for the undercarriage and one for the upperstructute. Sounds for an expensive Set. The new designed hub screams for a tracked vehicle, so thats no surprise they made that excavator Expand Is this speculation? Please be wrong Quote
mpj Posted February 9 Posted February 9 On 2/9/2025 at 3:29 PM, allanp said: It looks? Have you seen it? Expand Somebody who entered the Lego stand said that. Quote
Ngoc Nguyen Posted February 9 Author Posted February 9 On 2/9/2025 at 4:04 PM, Timorzelorzworz said: Lego is using the new C+ hub Expand Where is the new C+ hub? Quote
allanp Posted February 9 Posted February 9 On 2/9/2025 at 5:17 PM, mpj said: Somebody who entered the Lego stand said that. Expand Ah okay. Thank you for clarifying. On 2/9/2025 at 6:47 PM, Ngoc Nguyen said: Where is the new C+ hub? Expand I think he's talking about the latest hub from last year's small C+ RC car, which has the three motors built into it and small lipo battery. I'd be quite surprised at this point if it was C+, but also surprised if it wasn't motorised in some way. Quote
Ngoc Nguyen Posted February 9 Author Posted February 9 If you're talking about this part, then I can kinda see how can be used for the undercarriage, but its use in the superstructure is questionable. Quote
Oh_Hi_Mao Posted February 9 Posted February 9 On 2/9/2025 at 8:07 PM, Ngoc Nguyen said: If you're talking about this part, then I can kinda see how can be used for the undercarriage, but its use in the superstructure is questionable. Expand Charging two hubs via USB is also not the most user friendly or common solution. E.g. mould king has USB Hub with six output ports. Quote
Auroralampinen Posted February 9 Posted February 9 Well if the porsche hub is being used in the excavator the technic has entered the duplo era of technic no more cables no more gearbox just 1 technic dublo motor element inside of huge soap box like the 42100 this is so sad Quote
SNIPE Posted February 9 Posted February 9 On 2/9/2025 at 8:22 PM, Auroralampinen said: Well if the porsche hub is being used in the excavator the technic has entered the duplo era of technic no more cables no more gearbox just 1 technic duplo motor element inside of huge soap box like the 42100 this is so sad Expand Agreed. I hope C+ gets the wireless motors but on the other hand, they still ultimately need an external hub to control them. On the other hand who wants to have to buy yet more new motors when we have barley been with C+ that much (2019) , power functions lasted from 2007 till 2019!, I even just bough a few spike prime small angular motors and CADA micro motors, these parts are very expensive, and so it would suck to have to buy these lego "wireless" motors. I dislike how we have to use this combi-hub because how on earth are we supposed to have so much variety in motorized models like we did with PF and current C+ when the motors are built into the hub, yes you could I suppose just use gears and axles but that's not a good solution for several things. Like, what about friction, structural strength, size and shape constraints, or what if we need more than 2 motorized features... where oh were is the fecking SYSTEM!!!! Quote
Stereo Posted February 9 Posted February 9 (edited) I think if they had to use the new hub then it would make for more interesting builds than other technic PU sets, cause it's limited to the 3 motor outputs so if you want to run an excavator with it, you'd probably have the servo-like front one selecting a gearbox, and the other two running various functions (probably a mode for tracked driving, then another for main arm functions, possibly a 3rd for secondary arm functions, slewing the upper structure) But it's more likely to be a one-off, and they'll make a different one-off next time a set needs to be motorized... But I've never bought a PU motorized set so I'm not the right person to say what they should do anyway. I don't like the lifespan of batteries or electronics in general. Edited February 9 by Stereo Quote
allanp Posted February 10 Posted February 10 Yeah nah, I really don't think it'll use that all on one hub. Quote
Timorzelorzworz Posted February 10 Posted February 10 On 2/9/2025 at 8:13 PM, Oh_Hi_Mao said: Charging two hubs via USB is also not the most user friendly or common solution Expand Agree, but more friendly than requirering 12 AAA batteries. On 2/9/2025 at 8:22 PM, Auroralampinen said: Well if the porsche hub is being used in the excavator the technic has entered the duplo era of technic Expand Thats the world we're entering in. Keep things simple as hell for RC sets and things complex with gearboxes for regular builds like the Cars or Motorcycles. TLG spent alot of effort into the new integrated HUB, not only for using for boring cars. This piece of hardware is the future for the next C+ models and using two of the hubs is very likely for an excavator with 6 RC functions. Only downside is that the hub can't act as a counterweight at the far end, but this wasn't also the case for the 42100. Quote
AVCampos Posted February 10 Posted February 10 On 2/10/2025 at 12:02 PM, Timorzelorzworz said: more friendly than requirering 12 AAA batteries. Expand I agree that it's more friendly and practical than AA/AAA, especially when it's time to charge, but my beef with proprietary rechargeables is that it's highly likely we'll still have AA/AAA in 10, 20, 30 years and more, whereas when a proprietary no longer holds a charge the hub that uses it is as good as dead. That worries me way more than mobile apps that are no longer supported. Quote
Auroralampinen Posted February 10 Posted February 10 (edited) On 2/10/2025 at 12:02 PM, Timorzelorzworz said: Agree, but more friendly than requirering 12 AAA batteries. Thats the world we're entering in. Keep things simple as hell for RC sets and things complex with gearboxes for regular builds like the Cars or Motorcycles. Expand Yes but does anybody play with the gearbox on those "overpriced" premium sets and why the cool construction machines cannot have the cool function gearboxes because they need them more than the premium sets And more annoyingly the gearbox pieces are only availdable now in the g500 so if you emerge from dark ages for moc building you have buy multiple copies of the g500 like i did do:) Edited February 10 by Auroralampinen Quote
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