Blondie-Wan

My guess (and hope) on these promo packs is that they're event-exclusive only in the yellow-gold color of the bases, and that the same figures will be available elsewhere in decent quantity, just with regular, light trans-blue bases. I don't know, of course, but it seems like an awful lot of trouble to go to otherwise (creating not just the printed, specially-colored physical elements for these packs, but also all the digital assets for the game, just for perhaps a few hundred copies). I'd certainly hope so, as making true exclusives out characters a lot of people will want sounds like a recipe for a huge number of angry players. They can still offer a nice exclusive for E3 attendees just by having the bases be different colors. But we'll see, I guess. If I'm right about that, the next question for the purpose of list-making would be whether the "wide-release" versions of Supergirl and Green Arrow would have the same set numbers. I'm guessing not, but of course we don't know - yet! Once again, then, here's the current list of all known packs, color-coded for easy distinction of Starter, Level, Team and Fun Packs, plus the new Connectables, with known characters (or assumed ones, like Sonic and Mr. T), and also now featuring Promo Packs: 71170 - Starter Pack: PS3 (Wyldstyle, Gandalf, & Batman) 71171 - Starter Pack: PS4 (Wyldstyle, Gandalf, & Batman) 71172 - Starter Pack: XBox One (Wyldstyle, Gandalf, & Batman) 71173 - Starter Pack: XBox 360 (Wyldstyle, Gandalf, & Batman) 71174 - Starter Pack: Wii U (Wyldstyle, Gandalf, & Batman) 71201 - Level Pack: Back to the Future (Marty McFly) 71202 - Level Pack: The Simpsons (Homer Simpson) 71203 - Level Pack: Portal 2 (Chell) 71204 - Level Pack: Doctor Who (the Doctor) 71205 - Team Pack: Jurassic World (Owen Grady & ACU Trooper) 71206 - Team Pack: Scooby-Doo! (Scooby-Doo & Shaggy) 71207 - Team Pack: NinjaGo (Cole & Kai) 71208 - ? 71209 - Fun Pack: DC Comics (Wonder Woman) 71210 - Fun Pack: DC Comics (Cyborg) 71211 - Fun Pack: The Simpsons (Bart Simpson) 71212 - Fun Pack: The LEGO Movie (Emmet Brickowski) 71213 - Fun Pack: The LEGO Movie (Bad Cop) 71214 - Fun Pack: The LEGO Movie (Benny) 71215 - Fun Pack: NinjaGo (Jay) 71216 - Fun Pack: NinjaGo (Nya) 71217 - Fun Pack: NinjaGo (Zane) 71218 - Fun Pack: The Lord of the Rings (Gollum) 71219 - Fun Pack: The Lord of the Rings (Legolas) 71220 - Fun Pack: The Lord of the Rings (Gimli) 71221 - Fun Pack: The Wizard of Oz (Wicked Witch) 71222 - Fun Pack: Legends of Chima (Laval) 71223 - Fun Pack: Legends of Chima (Cragger) 71224 - ? 71225 - ? 71226 - ? 71227 - Fun Pack: The Simpsons (Krusty the Clown) 71228 - Level Pack: Ghostbusters (Peter Venkman) 71229 - Team Pack: DC Comics (The Joker & Harley Quinn) 71230 - Fun Pack: Back to the Future (Doc Brown) 71231 - Fun Pack: The LEGO Movie (Unikitty) 71232 - Fun Pack: Legends of Chima (Eris) 71233 - Fun Pack: Ghostbusters (Mr. Stay Puft) 71234 - Fun Pack: NinjaGo (Sensei Wu) 71235 - Level Pack: Midway Arcade (gamer) 71236 - Fun Pack: DC Comics (Superman) 71237 - Fun Pack: DC Comics (Aquaman) 71238 - Fun Pack: Doctor Who (Cyberman) 71239 - Fun Pack: NinjaGo (Lloyd) 71240 - Fun Pack: DC Comics (Bane) 71241 - Fun Pack: Ghostbusters (Slimer) 71242 - ? Pack: Ghostbusters (?) 71243 - ? Pack: Harry Potter (?) 71244 - ? Pack: Sonic the Hedgehog (Sonic the Hedgehog) 71245 - ? Pack: Adventure Time (?) 71246 - ? Pack: Adventure Time (?) 71247 - ? Pack: Harry Potter (?) 71248 - ? Pack: "MI" 71249 - ? Pack: Adventure Time (?) 71250 - ? Pack: Ghostbusters (?) 71251 - ? Pack: Mr. T (Mr. T) 71252 - ? Pack: "KR" 71253 - ? Pack: Fantastic Beasts (and Where to Find Them) (?) 71254 - ? Pack: Teen Titans GO! (?) 71255 - ? Pack: Teen Titans GO! (?) 71256 - ? Pack: "GR" 71257 - ? Pack: Fantastic Beasts (and Where to Find Them) (?) 71258 - ? Pack: "ET" 71259 - Connectable 1 71260 - Connectable 2 71261 - Connectable 3 71262 - Connectable 4 71263 - Connectable 5 71340 - Promo Pack: DC Comics (Supergirl) 71341 - ? 71342 - Promo Pack: DC Comics (Green Arrow) As before, we also believe Jillian Holtzmann is in one of the new Ghostbusters packs, and I'm assuming one of the Harry Potter packs does in fact contain Harry Potter. Since there are multiple packs listed for both, though, I'm not assigning those characters to specific packs just yet, though it seems to me Harry would likely be in the first pack for his franchise. Still plenty of gaps in the numbering!

I believe that's considered to be a means of destroying them.

I don't know; I don't think it's so obvious at all. I actually do agree that if builds or accounts aren't compliant with the rules they should be let go, but as unskilled as some of these builds are, I don't think it's remotely out of the question that adults came up with them - any of them - much less people as young as thirteen. I also have no trouble believing there are some people on the site who aren't old enough according to the rules, but in most cases neither we nor TLG can know for sure who they are, and I unconditionally assure you there are adults out there whose skills at both building and writing aren't any better than those of the average eight- or nine-year-old. And with the rules allowing submissions from kids as young as thirteen, I don't think there is anything close to a case to be made for assuming any of the members with submissions in this thread are in violation of the age rules based purely on build quality. Every one of them could very easily be the work of a thirteen-year-old or older. Now, if any of them should actually reveal themselves to be too young, that will be grounds for removal, but the builds alone don't come remotely close to proving that.

But you also don't need to castigate people for lousy builds; it's enough to just not vote for them.

It matters because if we publicly mock and deride and shame those projects (as opposed to, say, just ignoring them and focusing our attention on the projects we like), we run the risk of alienating their creators, so that they cease participating in the whole LEGO Ideas enterprise at all - not just by no longer submitting projects, but also by no longer supporting other people's projects. If we humiliate less-skilled Ideas users into abandoning their efforts, we run the risk of diminishing the voter pool - and the sorts of really good projects that make it to review now will do so more slowly, or even not at all. There could be fewer projects making it into each review batch, leaving TLG with more meager options. (That's in addition to our just being a bunch of smug jerks and making the world a less nice place, for whatever that's worth.)

They made a major selling point of the idea the original game would continue to work with new add-on packs for years, without having to upgrade the game itself. I think if they introduced a major new version they'd have a lot of upset customers on their hands, and rightly so (unless the new material were offered only as a free download). I think they're going to want to stick to the original game (+ add-ons, of course) for at least three years from the original release.

They are indeed from the Disney Princess line.

Okay, then, I guess it's time for me to step up and take a crack at it... Without commenting on the execution of the model, I'll just note it serves as an additional scene created for a particular iteration of Spider-Man. It's not really any less suitable for a set than any other set TLG might create that's based on / set in the universe of a particular Spidey, but doesn't depict a specific scene actually depicted in a released story. That this model would depict an scene that was planned but never produced could (if the set were good) give it added appeal. And heck, Marvel used to have an entire ongoing comics title called What If?, depicting stories that didn't "really" happen in the "real" Marvel Comics universe. That project creator, BTW, is supporting over 200 different Ideas projects, including his/her own, of course, but also dozens of others - some not great, but also some really good ones, including several that have made it to review. This brings me to something I want to point out about all of these things: That project creator is also supporting hundreds of projects, including multiple ones that have made it to review (one of which is the Gingerbread House currently in review, and one many of us have opined in another thread is likely to pass). The creator of that project has supported several projects, several of which made it to review, and one of which (Caterham Super 7) was recently approved. - From another supporter of hundreds of other Ideas projects, including numerous ones that have made it to review (including at least four currently in review). That project's creator joined just three months ago and has supported sixteen projects, which include that one, of course, but also include four (so far) that have gotten over a thousand votes, and at least one or two of them should make it to 10k and get their shot in review. Having seen some of the other projects based on real-life performers, I have to take issue with that - it doesn't look anywhere nearly as bad as possible. Also, that's the same project creator as Last Brick on Earth, and when one looks at all of the many projects submitted by that creator, it isn't at all clear (s)he is just trolling; MutanerdA is actually a fairly capable builder, but one with what we might consider eccentric tastes. That's not to say he or she definitely isn't trolling - it could still be the case, but it's certainly not definite. And as I mentioned earlier, that person is supporting hundreds of other projects, including a number that have made it to review. Another project creator who has also supported hundreds of other projects, most of them much more accomplished, including multiple projects that have made it to review, including multiple projects which were actually produced (WALL•E, the TARDIS, and the Maze, among the other first couple hundred or so projects I bothered to count in this user's Supporting tab). In the month since that project's submitter joined, he/she has supported four projects including that one, and the other three aren't too bad, and all have more votes than his/her own. The creator joined just one month ago, and his/her supported projects already include that one and thirty-five others, all of them at least a bit better, many of them gorgeous, and many of them well on their way to ten thousand votes (a couple are in the eight thousands at the moment). The creator joined a month ago and is already supporting close to sixty projects, three of which have hit the 10k goal. The creator joined a month ago and is supporting this project and a dozen others, all of them nicer, and one of which is already in review. Apparently, and an adult who's supported hundreds of other people's projects, at that, including quite a few to hit the magic 10k and make it to review. I didn't look at all of his supported projects - I stopped looking after 230 or so - so I don't know whether anything he voted for became a set, but at least a couple of things he supported are in review right now. Also worth mentioning: that creator has been around on Ideas only a month, and already supported thirty-four projects, including one that got to 10k with his/her help. I don't know, but six of the thirty-five projects the creator is supporting are currently in review - that's more than one out of every six projects that person has voted for. "I decided to create this while also supporting 174 other projects, including one now in review, and many others with respectable numbers of votes and climbing, thanks to people like me" The first is by someone who joined just two weeks ago and is already supporting eight other projects, all with more votes than that one, some of them in the thousands of supports; one of them has in fact Achieved Support, thanks 1/10,000th to this Ideas user here. The second of those is by someone supporting 81 other projects, including a few currently in review and one approved to become a set. The third is supporting a total of 33 projects, including some really nice ones with thousands of votes. Maybe (s)he was working on it before either set appeared. It is at least a competent build, even if it's obviously something that TLG would do on its own and doesn't need Ideas for (and judging from the response around here to Assault on Hoth, a lot of people might actually prefer this anyway). Anyway, that creator is another one of those people supporting multiple hundreds of projects - far too many for me to look at all of them, but they do include multiple really great ones and popular vote-getters, including several that have earned their shot in review, including at least one that made it into a set. You know, I'll agree that there are some terrible projects on Ideas, but the whole point of the platform is that we are supposed to be the filter; we support the things we like, and the stuff that's least-liked settles to the bottom. If you're not so sure it's nice to make fun of these, why not err on the side of caution and assume it isn't? As a long-time MSTie, I get the appeal of having fun with the "so bad it's good" stuff, I really do, but there's a difference between bad movies that get made by ostensible professionals and commercially released, and these projects made by regular, non-professional builders as concept demos in the hopes TLG will approve them and refine them before releasing them as sets. More importantly, though, even if some of these really deserve scorn, we have to ask whether it might be counterproductive to actually offer it. All these projects' submitters, however unskilled they may be, are at least contributing to the site and its community - and not just by submitting their own projects. Every one of the builders being shamed here, every single one, has supported other, greater projects, and helped the projects we like get the votes they need in order to get their shot before LEGO's review board. LEGO Ideas doesn't survive and thrive on the activity of just the handful of top, legendary builders alone; it depends upon the entire community, less-skilled members and wholly unskilled members included. Thought experiment: If someone finds out he or she is being laughed at and mocked and derided and humiliated by a handful of strangers on a message board - or worse, a greater number of strangers on a dedicated Tumblr - how is that person going to respond? Of course, different people will respond in different ways; that said, there are enough thousands of people we're concerned with, here, that probably every semi-reasonable response we can think of will be someone's actual response. I can't help but wonder whether a lot of people, feeling this chastened (or afraid of becoming so) might not just refrain from posting their own projects but actually opt out of participating in Ideas at all. Now think of all the stuff that gets to review - sure, a few projects have made it very quickly indeed, but others have chugged along, taking most of their allotted time to accrue votes; this has been the case even with some that made it into sets. What would have happened with those if a sizable chunk of the Ideas user base had quit the platform? I'm not a fan of raining on others' parade, but if given a choice between having a little mean-spirited fun mocking the building skills of strangers to whom I feel superior, or seeing a greater number of projects make it into the review batches and perhaps become cool LEGO sets I can get, I think I'll choose the latter. But hey, that's just me.

Edit: not ready yet

And I don't personally find sports appealing, but that doesn't mean other people can't. I do find that project appealing (I'm one of the 2000+ supporters), because science is cool and it's a good project of that subject, with a solid presentation. If you're not into it, that's fine, but that doesn't automatically make it a bad project.

That's just natural ebb and flow in part usage; there will be other years in which there are scads of horses.

What do you mean, "taking up a place"? There's no limit on the number of projects that can be in review at once. Also, everything's silly to someone. There are people who don't like a bunch of the Ideas sets that have actually gotten released, but at the same time, each one of them has its fans.

Cybermen battle packs seem like a no-brainer. I hope they do some.

I have to assume there will be a second series. They've omitted too many critical characters, and the series appears to be doing too well, for there not to be at least a second series. But one never knows. Let's hope...

What do you mean? Studded Technic is still around now. It's been largely supplanted by studless beams for major structural elements in most full-blown Technic sets, but they do still offer studded bricks with Technic holes.

I find it hard to think of the theme as "dead" when the full range of sets is still available and mere months old.

Ah, okay. The way you said it, it sounded like people had been talking about a commercial in this thread, and I didn't see it.

What commercial?

I didn't say anything about renegotiation, and I don't think (and never said) that a license is carved in stone. I was responding to Junior Shark, who said he/she thought LEGO had said they wouldn't produce Ideas sets based on existing licenses, and I was specifically saying they hadn't said that. They have said such sets are less likely to be approved, but they've never said they're flat-out impossible, and that's what I was talking about. I did note that there might be some licenses which precluded this, but that it was impossible to know for sure whether there were any, let alone how many or which ones. I've always emphatically argued against all those who say it's flat-out impossible to get any such set through and that they should therefore remove all such projects from Ideas. I do think it's at least possible, even if I don't think the chances are great - indeed, I specifically intend to submit some projects based on Star Wars and other extant licensed themes myself. I actually like that quite a fair bit myself. I agree the execution is, ah, less than optimal (as does even the project creator, who acknowledges the shortcomings of the pictured model), but the concept - the idea - is actually quite decent, and the project model does at least work well enough to communicate the concept effectively. I am respectfully doubtful it will accrue many votes from the build, but I like the fundamental concept behind it; in fact I think the idea is clever enough to compensate for the clunkiness of the build, and I think I'm going to vote for it. In fairness, it's entirely possible some Ideas users do in fact have mental disorders, and while it might affect the quality of their submissions, it would be unfair and an incredibly poor move on TLG's part to exclude them (and in fact, would probably be outright illegal in many or even all of the territories in which TLG operates). What's 75098?

It depends upon what you mean by a theme being "produced in" a given year. You appear to be referring to the years in which new sets were introduced, but there are also sets that are introduced in one year but remain in production another. For example, Ghostbusters actually had its first set introduced in 2014, but that set has remained available, at least, all the way through 2015 and into 2015; it appears to hav even remained in actual production all the way to the present year. At least some of the themes you cite as being produced in 2015 are also still being produced this year; they just aren't necessarily getting any new ones.

Series 14 was overproduced? You could have fooled me. It's not like there are lots of them in stores now...

Maybe it will, but why is that a concern?

But that's the project that was supported by voters. They have to keep the core concept of an Ideas set true to the project; anything else would be unfair to the thousands of people who voted for one thing and got something else produced. Just what else are you expecting / hoping for?

Some of us suspect Disney didn't want to relegate any of its characters to being mere accessories for other characters - hence no Flounder, Scuttle, Sebastian, Flotsam, Jetsam, Pluto, Abu, magic carpet, etc.

Oh, something else I noticed: Well, it has also been around for a while. I imagine it's done all right for most of that time. Eh, it's been out since August, and I believe it went on sale... last month? That's not very long. Compared to the NASA / JPL MARS Science Laboratory Curiosity Rover? Or the Research Institute? it's been out literally dozens of times as long as their entire windows of availability (in the U.S., at least). But yeah, I'd forgotten that it didn't become available until August. Fair enough. Assuming it wasn't discounted in January, it's been available at full price for a little over six months - the lower end of the scale for licensed Ideas sets, true, but the upper end for non-licensed ones, it seems. It's pretty much right in the middle, actually (and it's been out for a period comparable to what the Exo Suit was). I have no doubt it hasn't sold as well as the DeLorean time machine, the Ectomobile, the TARDIS, the Minecraft Micro-world, etc., but I imagine it's done okay. I suspect it's done better than Birds, which is a set I think might have been more admired than actually purchased (I'm very sorry to say I haven't gotten it myself yet, and I know it's sold out from LEGO, though I'm hopeful I may be able to pick it up elsewhere). I'm mulling over The Big Bang Theory now myself. If I liked the show more, the set would be a clear must-have, but my feelings about the show are a bit mixed. I think the set is lovely, though, and I'd like to have it for the parts selection at the very least, if not for itself. As it is, it currently has the distinction of being the only minifigures-including CUUSOO / Ideas set that I haven't gotten, so far. It's actually back up to full price now. It must have been just a sale, not a clearance.