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Lauga had the most contrived role I've ever heard of. And she didn't remember who she had targeted.

That's a beautiful idea.

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Make me.

Oh, what is my problem? There's not even two hours left in the day.

unvote: Tarr (Tariq J) I just don't want the day to end early.

This doesn't make me feel any better about you holding onto your vote until you see what everyone else is doing. Way to dodge the issue altogether. vote: Tarr (Tariq J) On top of everything else, something just struck me. Tarr contacted me to claim Vengeful as a defense. Every other time I've seen a vengeful on the chopping block, they've claimed to offer their services and move the game along for the benefit of the Town. Yes, he's a noob, so he might not know that's how to play it but I believe the first Vengeful I ever saw on EB played it that way. Like it was a natural instinct for someone with that ability. And Tarr has demonstrated that he has read Mafiascum and probably read some games here as well, noting that the first Ragnarok game had a bomb while the second had a Vengeful. So far, we have claims for both this time.

Tarr has claimed Vengeful. It's a late claim and a convenient one for the Scum. Passive roles are always an easy Scum claim. But there's a bomb claim out there as well. The bomb was tracked and didn't target anybody. This is the point of the game I hate because we have to lynch someone and don't have much evidence to base things off of. Even those who have been cleared by the investigator could be the Godfather. Tarr seems like a good bet. If he is a Townie, then we can take out our other two concerns of Petr and Jafri with the Vengeful and the vig. Then, if there are still Scum left, we can try to figure out who is left out there. To be quite honest, I think a good plan would be to lynch Tarr to test his claim, if it's true, then we take out the other two most suspicious people. Sorry to broadcast a plan, but with this few people left and no Scum interfering with the Town so far as we know, it may be the best bet. I just feel like I'm missing something big. I wonder if the dead writeboard is screaming at me for missing something obvious.

I find it strange that we only have three votes right now.

At this point, we have a solid Town block and none of us have been lost to the Scum team. If there are any roles to claim you should be claiming to me or Cranebeinn. If you have a role and haven't claimed before today, then that is suspect but now is definitely the time to start sorting everyone out.

I wanted to give the Scum a good idea that I was the traitor so I offered up Tariq as the vigilante. He had been blocked and there were only two kills so he might be the Serial Killer, I thought. Telling them it was someone I thought was Scummy to manipulate them into killing that person would've been stupid because they only would've believed it if the person I mentioned was actually Town. Tariq was the only person I could think of that was potentially neither Scum nor Town. But, what's the problem with that plan? It was public knowledge that Tariq was blocked the night I claimed the vig killed Lambi. So, if (and it's a big if as I'm only assuming) the Scum did try to recall me that night thinking I was the traitor then they wouldn't have done so if I had told them one of their own was the vig. Although it was still an obvious lie, they could've taken longer to figure that out since they had to remember that it was reported Tarr was blocked. Does that make sense? I don't megablocking know any more. Maybe they did try to kill the protected player twice and Mist was the killer the night she was blocked. Night Actions have at least vaguely verified everyone except Jafri and Petr. I have tried to talk to them privately and am the least satisfied with Petr's responses. I don't know if this means anything. Maybe we can't go by what the Scum told me on the writeboard at all...but from what we've seen, that's giving them a ton of credit. But, I don't know. They could be trying to make us think these things or their really is/was a traitor and something I said made them try to recall me or someone else on the night I spoke to them on the anonymous writeboard. Ugh. We seemed to have glided through four dead Scum and now finding the next one is getting tricky. Is there any possibly someone could be a traitor and a Town PR? The answer is no, right? Right? We converted a vig to Scum in the first Ragnarok.

Argggh. I'm driving

Tire can't be scum. If the scum did believe I was the trader and tried to convert me on night three then they would not have believed me to try to convert me because I told them that tar was the vigilante.

It amused me. Specifically that they're still looking for a traitor, when if there is a traitor they've had ample opportunity to contact them. How could there still be a traitor that didn't take an opportunity to contact the Scum. Unless the traitor doesn't know he's a traitor...which I think would be unprecedented. If there's a traitor, why would the Scum still be skipping their kill to recall a traitor when the likelihood is that the traitor is dead. Maybe I'm helping the Scum too much if they can't figure that for themselves.

I started the day thinking Petr or Jafri would make the best lynch. The jury is still out on both of them, especially Mr. Half–Troll, but my suspicion is swinging towards Tariq with his admittedly Scummy posts and what could be an attempt to lead us to lynch the person we blocked. I know who we blocked and I know they are not Scum, so there. Now, to wrap my mind around this idea that they have been trying to recruit this traitor, I looked at who we have lost and the possibility of them being the traitor: 1. Brand–unlucky to be the un–recruited traitor twice in a year, but it could happen. Lynched before he was able to contact the Scum. 2. Patrekr–still a weird Scum kill, in my eyes. I am still of the mind that they could've had a day role cop and took Patrekr out because of what his role was. It's happened before but either way, maybe they targeted him for other reason and accidentally took out their own traitor. 3. Dagstyrr–said he was too sick to participate and missed Jarl's confession and plea for a traitor. He could've been their traitor, killed by the vig before he had a chance to get healthy and pay attention to what was happening. 4. Tarben–in the weirdest kill of the game, Tarben contacted the Scum pretending to be the traitor and they killed him. Maybe they submitted the wrong Action that night? Or maybe they were just tired of people coming and claiming to them. 5. Munud–obsessed with the idea of the traitor. Obsessed with it. The fact that they are still looking for the traitor, assuming that is why we're not seeing them kill, indicates to me that they're looking for a player who is already gone or they have a blatant misunderstanding of the traitor aspect of the Scum team. Or, we are over–complicating things and the Scum really did try to kill the protected player twice and Mist got blocked trying to kill. That's a possibility. But Tarr's suggesting right off the bat today that the Scum killer was blocked leads me back to believing they are still looking for a traitor and that is why they haven't killed for the last couple of nights. Or he/she. I think there's one, trying to find the traitor to survive longer. I don't think the Scum was incredibly coy. Dar told me there really was a traitor before being lynched and some anonymous Blabber–Mouth Scum told me that my misleading comments wasted their kill. I think they tried to recruit (or recall or whatever) me that night. And I think there is only one traitor to recall. If that is the case, I would assume that those who have claimed roles to me, the investigator, the protector, the blocker, the vig and the tracker are all people who can't be recruited. Leaving us with a small pool to lynch. And since the Scum have stopped killing, we're still pretty solid.

His logic is that it would be very "puzzling" if there was only a roleblocker left on the Scum team, which I took to mean he doesn't find it likely. You seem to run with the idea–the very idea which, he is suggesting, doesn't make sense.

Why would that be the first possibility you would suggest when you are literally the first person to speak after we all find out that when we followed that possibility yesterday, we lynched a Townie? And if you're Town why are you saying so many Scummy things? What is your Townie motivation for these Scummy statements?

This statement pings me though I can't exactly pinpoint why. Maybe because he is only coming up with one possibility for lack of Scum kill and not commenting on the fact that there were no kills at all. Trying even to lead us to believe it was the person who was blocked who we should lynch, like we mistakingly did yesterday.

Yes, I tried to point that same thing out once in a game too...when I was the Serial Killer. It says third parties have their own win conditions.

Typically, yes. If we're to go by what was said on the anonymous writeboard I had with them, which is still mind-blowingly unprecedented, then they have one opportunity to recall a traitor but they have to figure out who that is. And why not suspect you. You were blocked on a night with two kills but the Scum have other actions besides kill. You could've been doing something that didn't have a visible effect. Petr Half-Troll deserves as much, if not more, scrutiny.

As rambling as your thoughts are here, I have to fully admit, I thought the same things in the same order.

You, Petr, you're reading this, say something.

There is the possibility that what they said was true about their being one traitor to recall. Perhaps they use their kill to try and recall this person but they have to guess who it is. So, maybe we're seeing no kill because they're trying to figure out who to recall and are going through one at a time right now. They did say I made them waste their kill. And Toki did PM me to plant a seed about there being a traitor in the game. Maybe there's one Scum left, desperately trying to make it two Scum. Or maybe they succeeded last night. *Not use their kill to recall, but forego their kill to use a recall action. *Not Toki, Dar This theory makes me want to lynch Jafri.

Just need the American style disclaimer: No dragons were harmed in the filming of this game. Which, I agree with Sandy, the humor and production value of this game is through the roof. I love it.