def

I just got this and love it. It really is one of the best non-modular sets I've built. One question I have for you: With the window using the SNOT technique, did it fit snugly for you? I've looked in the instructions, on your review, and elsewhere on the Internet, and I can't see it mentioned. I'm sure I'm not doing it wrong... One difference is that the arches I got weren't the same as the ones in the instructions and in your set. My arches don't have an inner crossbeam. Hmmm. I really want that window centered.

Here's my situation, keep in mind that as a cop, I'm a busy guy, and am here when I'm here. Day one: I check in and see Trisha has claimed a lie detector cookie ability and Daisy has mentioned lunch. As I have used a lie detector before (and Gods love to pop new things in games), I wanted it to be used efficiently, and not wasted. And as a lunch holder, I didn't want to see people advertising their lunch in public, since it would make them a scum target when scum inevitably find it. I contact Daisy in a friendly way asking her not to be loud about the lunch. Back to work. I come back and Daisy is refusing to cooperate. It's notable for that reason, since it's no trouble. Daisy's hypothesis of why it's ridiculous? Because Trisha is a noob (true, but has no bearing on a person's actions) and that there has never been a lie detector here (even though there has never been lunch here either) and that it's a crappy role since it's not verifiable (as opposed to the documentation that comes with investigators?). I found this suspicious. I still do. Around the point Trisha asked me when I was giving her a lie detector, and said that I would have one because I was a cop, I left that train. There was nothing I could do. With that, I hoped to solve the thing with Daisy by lunching her. Day two: I share my results with Daisy, hoping for a town-friendly solution. She starts in with the abuse. I teased her, to be sure, but she started in with the abuse. That's when I left the conversation. As I already shared somewhere in this day, ultimately I'm here to have fun, not get in a screaming match. So I blocked Daisy from contacting me. If that's really strange to you, well, it's the best solution from my point of view. Out of sight, out of mind. Anyway, I got the results I did. Daisy decided to take them public. Amy has 100% corroborated my story. I can only suspect that people don't know what the lunch results on themselves would be, which is why she was happy to bring it out in public. Which brings us to now. I can see where some of my behavior has been annoying, but none of it scummy. There is simply no advantage to behave the way I have were I scum. I do think there's a cloud hanging over Daisy still. I don't know what Oscar has seen that makes him think she's town. I don't think belligerence is a defense. If you have any other questions, feel free!

Well, the timing was different than yesterday, wasn't it? I thought Zara had voted. As for why Jane and not Wild dragon, well, I can think of a few reasons. Anyway, I was just speculating because I found the methods so unusual . We'll know sooner or later

Something to consider about it being a God-kill... God's words themselves: "Jane decides she should feed the chickens instead of participate in discussion" I will wait till day three to believe that a vig or SK is day-killing the least participating players.

Well, depending on the SK's win condition (if it's win with the survivors, or eliminate all players), the SK can make a choice to work with town, since odds are town wins in the early days when the numbers are high.

Addendum: apparently not

Hmmm. Do we agree these day kills seem like God-kills more than some kind of SK? It's not the different killing styles that make me think so, but that the narrative contrivance needed to get chickens to kill as an action seems unlikely. I honestly had no idea who Jane was, much less Zara. It seems to be a product of absenteeism.

Well, this is interesting news about Walter. I would still like to find out what the black glasses in Daisy's room meant, if only so that we can know a little better what the flavor cop action is seeing, but I'm happy to postpone that lynch until a day comes along with no one more obvious to lynch. I would like to make a note though that one of the circumstantial points on Walter, that he didn't try the lie detector until after it was over, also holds true to Daisy. I'm sure that the scum wouldn't have thought a lie detector implausible.

The cookies clearly stated that they found jobs. Lunches don't sound like jobs. I think each variety of lunch is its own thing. And the cookies had something to do with the players proper role. Though I don't have one, I'm sure there are proper roles floating around (don't ask me how). Daisy has said she has a minor role, but the glass-frames do nothing to jog her memory. It seems the obvious thing to claim a small, common town role about now (since she doesn't believe in uncommon ones), but maybe she needs to consult her scum-mates first? It doesn't sound like it. "job" was the word I had. Not "lunch". Whether Daisy is scum or not, her death will tell us a lot about "lunches". So it seems for the best.

The cafe was an exceptional set

Shit, my lunch were cookies I blame the wine.

Awesome. Did your lunch have a name?

My, now eaten, lunch: Strangely, I didn't have any name given to it. Take that as you will. Oscar has claimed an ice cream sandwich or whatever it was. My ability was view an item from my target which might help me understand their "job." Which I classified as a sort of flavor cop. And as most of us know, flavor cops do not tell allegiances. I am an open book. That is the townie way

That's right.

You did so after it was established that Trisha was, well, Trisha. Zero meaning.

So, by how stubborn she can be, you are referring to previous dreams? No worries, it's all good. The thing is, a lot of people here thought the lie-detector seemed iffy. And they said, "what the heck," and stated they were innocent. Now, maybe Daisy thought I was scum right off for contacting her when she mentioned lunch publicly, but I gave no reason to make her suspect... Even with that, she insisted to be so against it. It's possible that she really didn't believe at all, but her hostility to the idea was anti-town. In every "dream" here, new things pop-up, so to flat out refuse a new role had popped up here was not townie. I really think the flat out refusal to give it a try was a scummy fear, or simply poor strategy. There was no way in which saying "I'm innocent" could in anyway be used to scum's advantage. How can I read that? Either scum, or dumb unreasonably uncooperative. Should I assume the least harmful to town? Really, there is still nothing more suspicious going on. And the thing about the watcher, yeah, I can understand being conservative in sharing, but I had info on her. She could discuss it with me, or with the town. In all cases, sharing with the person in private first is safest. Now, were she to survive the day, and were town, scum will know the whole story. If she dies tonight, well, who was the leak? Could be any of us (though not me, obviously ). I was asking her to localise info, and she decided making it public was best. If she's an important role, it's on her hands now. I tried to keep it quiet. I believe in the law. There's nothing personal. Though some stuff is still funny

As much as it would be good to know if someone else used a similar lunch on Daisy, I'd be interested to hear if someone else used such a lunch on someone else, and got similarly hard to interpret results. It might make the case on Daisy somewhat easier to understand. It sounded like Trisha's lunch was similar to mine, so likely there are a few other similar ones floating around. It's early in the day, so we have lots of time, as long as everyone gets their two cents in

Honestly, I've been impersonal right from the start It's you damn meta-gamers assuming I'm not. That means you, lecturing Matilda. I really thought she was the watcher, and she vehemently denied it, so I don't know what to think. Really, I wondered if she was an investigator at first (glasses/looking), and watcher only after her saying she watched last night, and assumed that. But she said it was untrue and that my claim was nonsense, etc. <Because scum make false public claims on day two? > So, your idea that she could be the scum framer is interesting. As I've said, my original suspicion of her was that she did believe in the lie detector, which would make her want to poison the idea of it among the town. I also suspected lunch could be given to town and scum alike, so that means she could plausibly have used lunch if she was scum. And, the my lunch hinted to an item, but I just assumed it was a flavor cop thing, leading to a role (like, a badge might mean cop), but God might have been a step cleverer than that, and made the item a hint to the role (frames mean a framer). Truth is, I had paid attention to the glasses at first (I got my results while at my second job; yes, Fred moonlights), and just noticed the empty frames part when I prepared to tell you all. So, I think the lunch business will be a lot clearer in the coming days, but we can only speculate for now what this kind of flavor cop reveals. I'd be willing to lead a lynch on Daisy today for the sake of testing the lunches, and you guys can lynch me tomorrow if need be/you think I was lying about this. I know everything I've said was accurate according to the information I've had. Hey, have you read that? There is a lot to take in. Can you help the town somehow?

And that's why Daisy RUL3Z folks. Good luck if she's an important town role.

How many times did you write dumb in your last PM? Five? Six? Don't care. Your last few messages were just, like, dumb, megablucking dumb, noob. As much as I'm here to solve a mystery, I'm also here to have fun. To have someone send four bitchy messages to me in fifteen minutes is not fun. So I blocked you. I sent you a message letting you know, but maybe you didn't get it. I don't know how the block system works. I just knew I had enough of your attitude, and the best thing to do in this situation is walk away. Here is that last PM: And I mean that, no hard feelings. I just think you're playing a weird ego/hate based game, and it's a shame I couldn't have cleared you as town to put an end to this.

We've established you're not intelligent, but why do you need to emphasise the fact? I didn't just "explain" it to you. I linked to mafiawiki, and linked you to an example of a game with it. That's all you who couldn't get it. So, I told Daisy, when I was wasting hours trying to work with her yesterday, that I had a sort of flavor cop lunch. I did! Having revealed I had lunch (making me a potential thief victim <which I, as a Daisy-proclaimed noob, already knew about>), and hoping to put things with her to rest (a theory which was apparently genuinely noobish, because she's even more stick-up-buttish today, if it's possible). I got results. Between her claiming to have watched Oscar in thread and the results I got, I figured she was the town watcher. I told her in private, I preferred she would just confirm it to me, or we would have to deal with it in public, which would be really bad if she were the town watcher. So, she decided to bring it up in front of everyone. Hopefully, despite the lack of sense she's shown to me so far, she, as town watcher, wouldn't pull this out in public. So, I went to Daisy's room, and she had a strange pair of black rimmed glasses on her dresser that apparently had no glass in them. What does it mean? She claims she knows nothing. It seems really weird as a framing device (although they are merely frames Is that a hint?), but Daisy can't help explain why this was seen. That's the end of my lunch's, and I will hopefully have no more secret info to drop on the crowd. It would be satisfying to see Daisy removed from Heartlake, but I wanted to clear her to put an end to difficulties. No such luck. I have my results and her conflicting claim. I would stake my life on my results. Not on God giving them to me, but on me having got those results. And Daisy, the phrase is "everything revolves around you", not "evolves." Buy a dictionary and use it before you start insulting other people's intelligence. Jokes are much less funny when they're explained, but sometimes education has to come before amusement. Fred is off to drink some wine and enjoy his family life, if this mafia business doesn't pull me back in (Daisy, that's a movie reference, and not a claim of being in the mafia. Just in case you want to use this in your inevitably long, aggressive, and humorless rebuttal )

And I didn't vote for you on the basis of making fun of the lie detector. I voted for you for campaigning against the idea, and refusing to give it a chance, despite me giving you many reasons to put it in the realm of possibility... But you didn't hear it the first few times I said that, so I doubt you'll hear it now. You think this is personal, and I am not being personal. I'm trying to help town.

Yeah, you said everything evolves around me That's funny! That's seriously funny! Don't you think so?

Would you like a tissue? I already showed them what I sent you, and you whined Now, for the sake of the town, move along. Nothing to see here, folks.

Trisha wasn't scum, and it was pretty obvious. But I couldn't make the case to save her. Around the point that she let us know that she thought I would give her a lie detector because I was a cop, I knew that she fundamentally didn't understand what was going on here. And that's fair. She didn't have that experience. Hopefully she'll realize things a little better if she gets resurrected. There is most definitely scum in that lynch, likely ones who voted for less clear reasons. But we'll see how they are in the coming days. It was a really good day one. Lots of split votes can tell us things in the coming days. In lighter news, Daisy sent me a message yesterday, letting me know that everything doesn't "evolve" around me, among other pissiness... Funny stuff. Besides the fact I was pointing at her for her behaviour, and not mine, I would like it put on record that a number of species have been known to differentiate themselves while in my vicinity, and her claim is therefore factionally incorrect Sorry, not "resurrected", but "reincarnated" I hope to God there are no resurrections in Heartlake.