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I don't like talking too much about work in progress, because there's always a chance it won't be finished or something... But I think it'll end up as a frigate. I'll let all af you know as soon as it's finished.

For leisure? Or perhaps to sail in shallow, nearshore waters where a big ship wouldn't make it? Or to sail in gulfs, bays or even rivers? Once again - this ship's function is mainly representative - it's like an 18th century limo. And don't worry - you'll see the admiral's flagship, as my signature suggests, this isn't my last Spanish MOC. ;-)

OK, so it remains a yacht then... :-) And yes, it is supposed to mostly sail guarded waters.

From what you wrote, it looks like you haven't read my initial post or haven't understood it... I'll try to make myself more clear this time: This ship is not supposed to sail on its own. And it is not supposed to go to sea, I mean, REAL sea, like the middle of the ocean or something. It is supposed to travel short distances, between the ports of Spain or even inside the ports. I imagined it to be something like a 17th or 18th century limousine. Nowadays, VIPs travel in limousines if they want to show themselves to the public. Same with this ship. VIPs' cars are protected by armed escort. Same with this ship. So as you can see it doesn't need cannons anymore than a fishing boat does. ;-) Now, about the rigging. I used one because I wanted to save the rest for the bigger ships I'm yet about to build. Also, it's placed just like in the Carribean Clipper and I've never heard anyone complain about it in that set. Except I used a short piece and a ladder - and that's just because the long piece was too long for the mast, and the short piece was too short. And I don't think it's "shroud" in this case - most Lego ships, sets and MOCs, are missing 90% of the real rigging anyway, so there's no real shroud here. This is just a "ladder" used to climb up to the crow's nest, sorry, don't know the word. Perhaps, actually I used the word "yacht" just because I couldn't find a suitable name for the ship, and I liked that wikipedia definition I quoted earlier - it fitted what I imagined this ship to be. Thanks for all your comments!

First a little quote from Wikipedia: This is a rather small-sized MOC I've recently built. It's sort of a small ship the Spanish admiral uses for official and diplomatic purposes, that's why I think the above definition fits here. I imagine it isn't used for long distance travels and never sails alone, but under protection from other, more powerful vessels. The crew consists just of the admiral and a few officers. The ship has one small cannon, which is used for salute rather than for combat. Being a small ship, this MOC doesn't have many special features - but it does have a bed where the admiral can rest, and a desk where he can sit and write letters and orders for his fleet. :-) I'm especially happy about the design of the stern section. Brickshelf gallery

Much better than the Cross Bone Clipper! However, I don't really like the mast - it ends too abruptly, and - since we know it's hollow - looks like a chimney. And some of the crew have too modern clothes... Apart from that it's a nice little boat. Looks as if it were taken from one of those adventure movies in which pirates are the good guys.

I used sail combos myself a few times :-) I think this particular sail combo doesn't look bad - it's just black, blue and white on those sails. Pirates were often known for their offbeat taste when it came to appearance, so those sails look credible to me. If this were a soldiers' ship, it would look bad (even if it didn't have that big Jolly Roger :-) ), but it sort of fits the pirates.

I saw this one on MOCpages some time ago... It's based on a cartoon I have never heard of... The MOC looks cartoonish too, especially the brick-built sail. It looks completely different from official Lego ships, but it is not a bad thing.

Aye, they were mine. Same with me. I scratched the hull around the tabs and made some of the small slots which are originally there a bit bigger :-) But this place is usually covered by other bricks in the complete ship anyway...

Well, it looks like at least Mr. ghoulrealm and I have tried it...

As I expected, it looks much better now. As I saw on the older pictures, you're mixing bluecoats with redcoats and normal sailors (those who look like pirates but don't have to be pirates :-) ) - that's OK. The whole ship is now really impressive - I will never have enough of large Lego men-o-war.

Middle sections are important if you want to make bigger ships. The good thing about them is that you can build custom ones using inverted slopes. They are different from the original ones, but still look good in my opinion. So although there are no black or dark gray middle sections, you can make some using inverted slopes.

I was considering doing this, however I decided not to as this is actually not my idea. However your post has made me think about it again and I decided to turn it into a tutorial, I'll do it soon, when I have some more time. You're confusing two different Lugnet threads Mr. SkaForHire. There was also a thread about cutting hulls in half, but that's still too radical for me... Now, let's have a look at this: If we assume the same procedure can be applied to wide hulls as well (I haven't tried this, but I don't see why not), these are the colour combinations we can get (top colour given first, then the bottom colour): WIDE HULLS: Originally available: Brown + Brown Red + Brown Dark Gray + Red Other possibilities (using the procedure): Brown + Red Dark Gray + Brown Red + Red NARROW HULLS: Originally available: Dark Gray + Brown Green + Black Blue + White Black + Dark Gray Other possibilities (using the procedure): Dark Gray + Black Dark Gray + White Dark Gray + Dark Gray Green + Brown Green + White Green + Dark Gray (I'd like to see that one!) Blue + Brown Blue + Black Blue + Dark Gray Black + Brown Black + Black Black + White So you see this technique allows you for a lot more combinations!

I won't write it all at once, I'll edit this post in the future, and every time I add something, I will inform about it in the Fleet Listing Discussion thread, because I don't want to make a mess here. Your Fleet and its Size 1) What is the name of your Fleet(s)? (ie: The Golden Tresure Fleet) No name yet. 2) What is the size of your fleet (s)? (just the number of watercraft in your fleet (minus standard rowboats please, though if they are modified and you want to include them then go right ahead) 7, but many more are yet to be assembled. 3) How many standard LEGO ships do you have in your fleet? (IE: Skull Eye Schooner, or other lego sets) 3 4) how many MOC (my own creation) ships do you have in your fleet? 4 5) Please list your Non-MOC ships by type and number. 1 Black Seas Barracuda (very slightly modified), 1 Imperial Flagship (very slightly modified), 1 Viking Longboat 6) Please list your MOCs and tell us a relative size comparison. (ie: it is the size of the Imperial Flagship, and carries 4 cannon, or something like that) 7) number of sailors and officers (pirates have officers too!) in your fleet? 8) your favorite mini-fig in your fleet, and who is the commander of your fleet? There are a few subfleets (Pirates, British, Dutch, Spaniards) so there are several commanders. 9) How many ships to you have up in dry-dock? (Ie: in the process of building, and or what kind of parts do you have just lying around to build ships? for example I may have 2 small hulls and 2 large hulls lying around... and have one ship in the process of being made) 2 in the process of building, plus 4 small and 1 big hull lying around 10) Do you wargame with your fleet? Nope. Your Army and Fortifications note: this again can be divided by army if you wish. 1)THe name of your Army(s)? 2) How many Officers and Troops do you have? (If you are counting pirates, i suppose you would list the number of captains that you have and the number of pirates based at forts and hideouts) 3) How many fortifications do you have? None yet. 4) How many are Standard Lego sets? (ie eldorado fortress or any other standard lego hideouts or forts) None. 5) how many MOC forts or hideouts do you have? None yet. 6) Please list what kind of sets you have on land, if they are MOC, please let us know a comparitive size. (Ie: my MOC fortress called Fort henry is two times the size of the eldarado fortress. (jsut an example)) No land sets yet, only watercraft! 7)Who is your favorite minifig in your army, and who is the commander? 8)Do you wargame with your army? Nay. 9) are you in the midst of any Army construction, hideouts, forts, or towns? Not yet, but I'm planning it. Final Tally 1) out of all your collection combined, what is your strength in: a) Ships 7 b) Men 2)What is your collection goal? 3) Are there any sets that you are hunting for in the near future I don't think so, but you never know... 4)favorite set? Black Seas Barracuda. 5) Construction plans? What have you started or planning to start in the near future? 6) Links to any of your creations or something you would like to share My pirate creations. 7) Do you have a MISB Navy or Army? if so go ahead and list it here! No. 8) Location of your Lego Universe: (ie: the legoribean...) Caribbean, I think. 9) Where are you really from? Poland. 10) Any sort of brief discription you want to give of your collection, small backstory, or other about your collection?

Yes, it is, but for narrow hulls only. You will need two sets for that: the Cross Bone Clipper, which has black lower parts of the hull, and the Flying Time Vessel, which has black upper parts of the hull. There are no black wide hulls, unless of course you paint them :-)

First of all I shall give credit where credit is due - this whole procedure was invented by Mr Richie Dulin from Lugnet (we should really invite him to our forum some day, unless he's already here but hides somewhere) and is described here. I decided to switch Imperial Flagship's (or Renegade Runner's, they're the same) dark gray top part of the hull with the black one from Flying Time Vessel. This is how the hulls looked before the procedure. I used a butter knife and a screwdriver, and followed the steps of Mr. Dulin's tutorial. An example picture of a hull piece after splitting can be seen here. I must say that when you get the feel of it, the procedure isn't that hard, and separating the stern is MUCH easier than separating the bow! As a result, instead of the original gray over brown Imperial Flagship's (Renegade Runner's) hull and the original black over gray Flying Time Vessel's hull, I have one black over brown hull and one which is completely dark gray. The step-by-step gallery depicting the procedure can be seen here (when it's public). Big thanks to Mr Dulin for this tutorial! I think it's a great idea, which allows you for even more experimenting while building custom ships.

Looks good! I like the fact that it's heavily armed, but doesn't look too packed with cannons, which happens to many ship MOCs. The proportions are right. It definitely needs sails! Make some, even paper, and you'll see it will look a lot better with them! My traditional question will be: does it have any interior? And if so, can we see it?

Since I haven't posted in this thread yet... I'm a big Pirate fan. It is the best theme Lego has ever created. And of all kinds of sets I like ships best. My favourite subtheme are the blue-coated soldiers and my favourite minifig is Governor Broadside. I think Spaniards had a big potential and are great-looking minifigs, could have been even cooler than bluecoats had Lego provided them with more and better sets (Armada Flagship is slightly disappointing). My favourite ship is the Black Seas Barracuda. I would like Lego to revive the theme, but only if the new sets were as good as the original ones, excluding the 1997 sets which weren't that good. If the new sets were to look like KK2 or something like that - then don't revive the theme! This would be like killing the legendary line and in that case I'd be perfectly happy with just buying old, second-hand Pirate sets. I'd prefer that rather than bringing disgrace to Lego Pirates.

I'm sure everyone has forgotten about my question a long time ago, but I'll write the answer like I promised. This is the stern part of the ship. Here, on the lower floor you can see the kitchen, with the chef and the steward. Here's a close-up of the kitchen, where you can see the chef cooking something. Above him you can see the ventilation system. The smoke from the kitchen goes through there... ...and then is released outside of the ship through this hole on the right side of the window. So this is the answer to my question - this hole is an end of a flue!

Well, better late than never, I finally decided to purchase this set. That was because I had the opportunity to buy it for a really low price so I decided to take it. So, I just want to say that despite reading numerous reviews and seeing numerous pictures, there are a few things which surprised me in the real thing: - The size of the sail. From the pictures I thought it would be big, but when I opened the box I was quite stunned - it was almost as big as the bottom of the box! - The fact that the sail is made of paper. Yes, I know it's mentioned even in this very thread, however I haven't read that particular post until today, AFTER assembling the ship... :-) Well, the pattern does look good, however the fact that it's paper is a dissapointment and a major step in the wrong direction compared to Pirate sails. - The sail is printed on one side only! Somehow I missed that in the reviews as well. I consider it a major disadvantage, which is even more disturbing considering the sail's size. - One of the Vikings has Harry Osborn's face... Huh? - The serpent... In fact it's better than I expected. It has much more normal, System parts (which might be useful for MOCing) than I thought it would. Apart from that, I completely agree with Mister Phes about the weapon (is this a catapult?) - it looks much too modern and doesn'rt fit a historic theme at all. I know it's been put there to increase playability (so that kids can play with a weapon that shoots), but it spoils the overall look of the ship. The swords are awful too, I think I still have a few Classic Castle swords somewhere, and I'll use them instead. And there's also this stupid little gap between bow/stern pieces and the middle hull - I really don't understand why Lego didn't make that egde perfectly vertical to eliminate that gap. But don't get me wrong, I still think it is a good set. The minifigs are great, the chrome parts (helmets, breastplate, axes) are excellent! The ship, when built, looks really cool. The serpent is OK, as I mentioned before. The shields are nice too. I like the details such as the figurehead, the barrel with (probably) alcohol and the food. This ship has a great MOCing potential and I think I'll customize it in the future and make my own version, perhaps more historically accurate, and I'll definitely start with removing that ugly shooting weapon.

I think you meant "Red Beard Runner", not that 4+ crap... ;-)

I asked if anyone knew where to find old Pirate commercials in some other thread many months ago, but no one replied... :) But it was a sort of off-topic back then, not a specific thread. Anyway, I remember an old commercial, 1989 I think, it was shown in Poland where I live and I also saw it on some German channel (Sat 1 I guess). I don't remember much of it, but it showed a battle between Black Seas Barracuda and Caribbean Clipper, in which Governor Broadside was hit and fell off the ship straight into shark's mouth, it had great music, and it didn't have any special background, the ships were standing on the floor and I think some kids playing with them were shown too. Other sets might have been there as well... I kept it recorded on a videocassette for a long time, but eventually I either recorded something else on it, or the cassette got broken. I'd really like to see that commercial again.

I agree, when you look at the beasts in the Viking theme you might think those poor Scandinavians are fighting some mechanical invaders from the future or outer space, rather than mythological creatures. I agree again - arthopods in magnification look slightly mechanical, so perhaps if you want to build a brick beast, an arthropod will be the best choice (although it probably won't be minifig scale, or will just be an abnormally giant creature like the one discussed here).

Those are nice medium-sized ships. The Technic mast doesn't look good but I know from experience how painful parts shortage can be. I also don't particularly like the custom middle section of Le Freedom's hull - I think it should be made of inverted slopes only, or, if you don't have them, standard bricks only (like in this ship). But I really like them both.

The way this crab is made reminds me a bit of the monsters from Vikings line... But it contains more "normal" (System) bricks... Great job, I'm a big fan of custom Lego creatures... *y*