Lady K

Ok, so here is the final vote count for Day 1 and Day 2: Day1: Final Vote Count: 4 votes for Harry Oldman (fhomess): Tariq j, LegoMonorailFan, Umbra-Manis, Forresto 3 votes for Clifford Schauer (LegoMonorailFan): KotZ, Drunknok, Lady K 3 votes for Cathy Bridger (Drunknok): jluck, Kintober, Khscarymovie4 1 vote for Stephanie Diaz (Lady K): Kwatchi 1 vote for Dez Hunter (Forresto): Fhomess Nonvoting (0): Day 2: Final Vote Count: 5 votes for Anthony Dodson (Actor Builder): Khscarymovie4, Tariq j, jluck, KotZ, Forresto 5 votes for Tony (jluck): Lady K, Kintober, LegoMonorailFan, fhomess, Actor Builder 1 vote for Stephanie Diaz (Lady K): Kwatchi Nonvoting (1): Umbra-Manis I have highlighted the votes for you to see of the deceased jury members. Looking at who voted for who, we can see that Alan jumped on bandwagon each day for a rather newer jury member. He voted in the middle area so as not to be noticed and never gave solid reasons for his votes. Harry voted with reasons for who he felt strongest suspicion for. On day two he did vote for Alan, but as the only vote and as the day played out he had a stronger suspicion of Tony. Knowing we needed a lynch he switched his vote to Tony while mentioning that he would keep a watch on Alan. Both Brock and Dez voted for Harry Day 1 and Anthony Day 2. Essentially, bandwagons. While both Amanda and Tony voted for Cathy Day 1 and Anthony Day 2 (same jury member spot as Anthony took over from Cathy and Jimmy). I bring out these four specifically due to being previous jury members they know the importance of a lynch on Day 2. Day 1 can go either way (lynch or no lynch); usually a loyal town gets lynched on Day 1; but Day 2 it is important to have the lynch and there is always a possibility of getting a scum on the second day's lynch. On Day 2, a no lynch is a bad idea; and all four of them, in addition to Alan voted for Anthony (an easy target) and thus effectively splitting the town vote for a second day of no lynch. So I question to Amanda, Brock, and Dez; what made Anthony so much more suspicious in your eyes than Tony that you were willing to spit the town and have a no lynch? Also of record, Jared had voted for me two days in a row; indicating that in his mind I was the most suspicious. So I pose the same question to Jared: Was a no lynch Day 2 worth keeping your vote on me (when you were the only one who voted me)? Even Harry changed his vote to Tony from Alan because he saw the necessity of a Day 2 lynch. A Day 2 lynch is in the best interest of the town.

I would say you argued more than just squabbling, which implies little disagreements. I did find where you suggested a third-party, which was curious at the time because we actually discussed a third-party on Day 1 and came to the conclusion that it was too early to tell; so that brings us to the question on why you brought it up Day 2 after no night one kills? Were you not paying attention Day 1? Harry was also at odds with Dez as well. Harry voted for Alan before switching to Tony near the end of the day. Why would you think Alan was a Vig? A Vig is aligned with the loyal town jury members. It was told to us by the Judge the he was a member of the rival Moletti crime family. If we had lynch Anthony and he turned up as loyal town then we would have lost two town members yesterday Please elaborate on what you have found scummy about (Cathy/Jimmy) Anthony over the last two days? Interesting; although what you say make sense the way you say it seems like you have more knowledge of that than a loyal town jury member should. Speculating on the win condition for a secondary mafia family doesn't help the loyal jury members find any other mafia crime family members whether they be Ballagio or Moletti. And based on what the Judge told us it is more important for us to find all the Ballagio crime family members and hand them over. This really seems like you know what you are talking about with detail....as insider information and I find this highly suspicious. It is all just speculation and it distracts the loyal jury from finding Ballagio crime family members. As for my own thoughts, Tony still stands at the top of my suspicious list. However, after looking back through Day 1 and Day 2, as well as the voting for both day and the response so far today, I'll add Brock and Amanda to that list. Why you ask? Brock seems to have detailed thoughts on the other mafia family (Moletti) win conditions and kill ability as if he were on the inside. Also, I found it suspicious that he suggested that we should have had a Day 1 lynch but then failed to go for the Day 2 lynch of Tony; preferring to stay on the obvious bandwagon of Anthony which spilt the jury vote. Amanda didn't even bother to listen to the Judge about Alan being from the Moletti crime family and suggesting he was a vig of some sort. She stated she wanted a lynch on Anthony yesterday due to the scummy behavior of the two jury members he replaced. Amanda, like Tony, was really pushing for a (Cathy/Jimmy) Anthony lynch for the last two days. Harry tried to point out the suspicious behavior of Dez, and Alan, and even questionable Clifford but no one wanted to listen to him and instead kept after the bandwagon setting upon (Cathy/Jimmy) Anthony. Now with him gone we know he was town and Alan was from the Moletti crime family (not town). So we need to look closer at the past conversations of both of these former jury members.

Ok, didn't see that coming. A completely different and rival crime family infiltrating us as well as the Ballagio crime family. And poor belegerant and gruff Mr. Oldman was indeed a loyal town jury member. Time for some review of the past two days conversations and voting.

There is no forcing any vote through; town jury members are free to choose to vote how they see fit. If they really want another day of no-lynch then that is what they will choose. Yes, I think you are scum. I have already given my reasons for my thoughts and you haven't done anything to disprove any of it. Whether or not you are loyal town or a crime family member, at least I have been able to back up my thoughts with post from you. You chose two days in a row someone(s) who contributed very little to the town and focused on pressing for a lynch, without presenting other possible suspicions of anyone else. There are others that I find suspicious, but you have stood out at the top. If two jury members don't change then we will have a second day of no-lynch. And lynching the wrong person will not help us tomorrow.

Ok, loyal jurors, we are down to one (1) hour before our day ends and the night begins. We need a lynch. We need two more votes. Here is what happens with no lynch: 1. We start Day 3 with the same place we are at right now. Very bad idea. 2. Ballegio family members will try to take one of us out again tonight, and if they succeed then we start Day 3 with one less jury member. This is not a good option. Two more votes and we can take out one of them at days end. If we remain divided then they have already won.

Current vote count is even right now at: five for Tony and five for Anthony with one for me and Tina all but disappeared with no comments and no vote for Day 2. We need two more votes for a lynch today. If you are so sure that you will be shown as a loyal town jury member tomorrow then where is your defense to convince us that you are town?

Which is why I said 3-4; I gave a range. This is the most typical range I have seen in all the times I have served on jury duty before; and yes this is a formula to use for balance. Who do you feel I am trying to take attention away from? On the contrary I see that we are about to lynch a possible loyal townie; could he be a crime family member, yes it is possible, I just don't think it is likely given the various conversations of Day 1 and Day 2. And the obvious scummy behavior that would make any other crime family members embarrassed to even be part of the same family. If the loyal jury chooses to lynch Tony today then by no means is Anthony off the hook. He will have to pull his own and contribute or he will end up right back on the lynch choice.

All my eggs are not in one basket; by the numbers there are 3-4 crime family members amongst us. You and Amanda seem very keen on getting rid on someone who, if town, has a vote to help the town. You were a new jury member once yourself, as was I at the same time, do you not remember what is was like to try to be helpful and just kept drawing attention so as to be a lynch choice. I sure remember that for myself. I think if you were more focused on helping the loyal jurors out then you could overlook the bumbling of a new member and focus on finding the scummy crime family members who are using this situation to their advantage. Eventually even a new crime family member will make a mistake and stand out as the lynch choice. As the third member coming in Anthony seems to me to just be coasting along waiting for his demise; as it seems several members of the jury are dead set against him. I too would like to see him at least try to defend himself and put for a good case for his own vote choice. Also on the point of defense, you haven't really given anything to convince me that you are a loyal jury member. What happens if tomorrow reveals that your lynch you pushed for was a loyal townie? Even a useless jury member has voting power and that is important to find and lynch the crime family. If anyone seems blinded by a witch hunt it is you. Pushing so hard for the Cathy/Jimmy lynch you have failed to bring up any other suspicions or speculations or thoughts on any other jury members.

We need a lynch as it is Day 2. Day 2, we have enough to go on to see that the crime family is manipulating the loyal jury members by pushing a lynch they want to see happen and leading the town in the wrong direction. Just look back at all the conversations from Day 1 and so far on Day 2. We can't count on Tina's vote. Tina still hasn't been around since Tues at 5:35pm. I am not comfortable with the band wagon on Cathy/Jimmy/Anthony. I feel strongly that its is one or more crime family members trying to lynch first time jury members and leading the town astray. Don't delay in a real vote; a revenge vote does nothing to help the jury find the crime family members and lynch them. I would like to point out for all to see who the two initiators on the Cathy/Jimmy/Anthony bandwagon are: Day 1: Tony then the third vote was Amanda Day 2: Amanda then the third vote was Tony How many experienced jury members remember their first few times on jury duty? Did none of you make the same or similar mistakes as Cathy and Jimmy? I will re-state what I said before; I can't believe that the more experienced crime family members let the new crime family members act so obviously scummy as to be the target of a lynch for two days. They would have been coached so as not to draw blatant attention to themselves. We need a solid lynch for today and I believe Tony is the logical choice. Day1: Final Vote Count: 4 votes for Harry Oldman (fhomess): Tariq j, LegoMonorailFan, Umbra-Manis, Forresto 3 votes for Clifford Schauer (LegoMonorailFan): KotZ, Drunknok, Lady K 3 votes for Cathy Bridger (Drunknok): jluck, Kintober, Khscarymovie4 1 vote for Stephanie Diaz (Lady K): Kwatchi 1 vote for Dez Hunter (Forresto): Fhomess Nonvoting (0): For those of you who just jumped on the Cathy/Jimmy/Anthony bandwagon, think about what I have said. You may very well be lynching a loyal jury member.

So three other jury members haven't voted yet besides Anthony (who just got here). Clifford, Dez, and Tina. Yes Tina has said nothing for Day 2; however she hasn't even been here. Dez and Clifford have been here and have not cast a vote yet. Clifford you have finally given some thoughts on those you find suspicious, however what is your conclusion? Which of those you mention do you find most suspicious? Dez what are your thoughts? Suspicions? Anything?

So Anthony now has less than 24 hrs to gather his thoughts, present them to us......and cast a vote. No pressure, really.....

We need to continue as is; the Judge will speak to us when he is ready to speak to us. Till then we can't just stop and wait; so we keep moving forward. I would assume most of us have more than one person they find suspicious. The jury needs to work together to find all the crime member family members hidden amongst us and that not going to happen by just sitting around doing nothing. You have't contributed anything useful to the town; all you have given is your opinions of me. So voice your thoughts on others you find suspicious or on those who have votes on them.

Here was what I found. See above.

I only brought it up once on Day 1 and already explained my thoughts behind it. Please elaborate on how you are helping the jury members and being an asset to the town? We don't know the experience or lack of it, the new jury member has till that person gets here. However, we have plenty of experienced loyal town members on this jury to continue with the trial. We need to move forward and to do that we need to stop focusing on the lack of experience a new jury member had the resulted in very scummy looking behavior and focus on the fact that scummy crime family members are using this to their advantage to divide us. Then they will start to pick us off one by one if we don't proceed forward and work together.

We don't need to be stuck on Day 3. I don't agree with this tactic; sure both Cathy and Jimmy were acting very suspicious however they were both brand new to jury duty and that could be the reason for the behavior. What if the alignment is town? I just can't see the crime family members not coaching other newer crime family members on not blatantly standing out as scummy like that. I have seen it before in the past, so I am more inclined to think that one or more scummy crime family members are on that bandwagon to get rid of a brand new townie jury member. This is why we need good discussion it instead of just adding votes to get rid of the person.

Ok, so we can't let Jimmy leaving stall all progress and conversation so: Here is Day 1 voting: Final Vote Count: 4 votes for Harry Oldman (fhomess): Tariq j, LegoMonorailFan, Umbra-Manis, Forresto 3 votes for Clifford Schauer (LegoMonorailFan): KotZ, Drunknok, Lady K 3 votes for Cathy Bridger (Drunknok): jluck, Kintober, Khscarymovie4 1 vote for Stephanie Diaz (Lady K): Kwatchi 1 vote for Dez Hunter (Forresto): Fhomess Nonvoting (0): And here is what I have so far for Day 2 voting: Tony: Stepanie, Jimmy, Gary Amanda: Clifford, then un-vote by Clifford Jimmy: Amanda, Brock, Tony, Alan Alan: Harry Stephanie: Jared Non-voting: Clifford, Dez, and Tina My observations are as follows: Jimmy jumped on the votes after I voted for Tony with no real valid reasons given; then Brock votes for Jimmy based on Jimmy jumping on the vote for Tony Jared voted for me just because he voted for me yesterday Alan waited to vote till many others had and then jumped on the Jimmy bandwagon. Clifford votes for Amanda then un-votes quickly; reason was she was quiet and gave what he considered a good explanation. However, when I was calling out Amanda for being quiet because she did speak up till it was time to vote. That was a whole 24hrs she could have said something but didn't...why? Tina hasn't been active since Tues at 5:35pm so..... And Dez hasn't voted, or given constructive conversation towards voting for anyone. Thoughts? Oh and Amanda, why did you wait to give your thoughts till it was time to vote?

Well this is a first I didn't think jury duty was that bad...... This is day 2, all we have to go on is day 1 and what happened night 1 but still wish Jimmy had stayed and just kept with it.

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Jimmy, when questioned who you would vote for your bring up Tina; who hasn't even joined the conversation of the trial here on Day 2. Yet many others have been engaged in conversations and arguments; and yet you choose someone who hasn't even spoken up once on Day 2. Curious.. Here is your reason for choosing Tina...too quiet today (yet a check of profile indicates no online activity to this point). And you say something feels off about her. Could you elaborate for us on that point? So above you say you may change who you would vote for once you feel you could make a decision (which indicates to me, if I understand correctly, that you have more information to go on); and so here you cast your vote for Tony. You state you are voting for him based on his hounding of Cathy and then throw out a comment about hotdogs. Ok, so you think he is hiding something; would you care to elaborate on what it is you think he is hiding for us please? Brock, you voted for Jimmy due to talk and no substance and for jumping on a bandwagon and then you go and do the same? Do you have any other reasons for your vote or thoughts on any of the other conversations or arguments going on? Holding back a vote is not a shot in the dark at this point; it is a conversation starter and it gets others to take a closer look at both who is being voted for and who is doing the voting. You are saying Harry has been nothing but negative and generated nothing new yet at the same time you think it isn't scummy and call it a gutsy move to be combative and negative. To me this seems you are taking both sides to avoid taking a side and thus staying off the radar. Clifford, you vote for Amanda due to her watching without giving any comments. Any other thoughts on her? Then you un-vote quickly when I pointed it out in conversation with Harry; with the comment that you felt she explained why she was not commenting. I called her out because she had been active all day but waited till voting started to make her first comment. Amanda, I understand taking time to make a point in the trial of your thoughts; but why did you wait until voting started before you contributed?

I judge Cathy on Cathy and Jimmy on Jimmy even though the are the same alignment, and yes he is acting suspicious. I'm still watching him closely. As for Clifford, I still find him suspicious. I wasn't challenging him to vote for you, just trying to draw out his reasoning behind yesterday's suspicion of you (enough to vote for) and yet nothing today he finds suspicious. Curious. To me he seems to be agreeing with who ever has the strongest point at the time and then changing his mind with the next strongest point. So I'm still watching him as well. He voted for Amanda because she had been watching but not talking to us; yet it was me who kept calling her out on it.....Clifford never said a thing until he voted for her. New player behavior, maybe, suspicious behavior, definitely. Currently though of the three, Tony, Jimmy, and Clifford, it is Tony who is standing out most right now. That could change later in the day.

Ok to start things off I am going to: Vote: Tony (jluck) Why, glad you asked. Yesterday he didn't really have much to say until Cathy voted without giving a reason and then he latched onto that to vote for her based off fluffy post (typical day 1) and her voting without giving a reason and then she disappeared for the day. This could be scum behavior and it could also be that she was feeling to ill to respond. We know she was dismissed from jury duty and replaced by Jimmy, For today's comments listed above, Tony proceeds to talk about things other jury members are talking about without contributing anything useful for the jury to find the crime family members that have infiltrated us. He then proceeds to still find Cathy suspicious from yesterday, but when I press him for why, he just states he found her suspicious and so did others and he will hold Jimmy responsible for the actions of Cathy. Now granted the alignment stays the same, however Jimmy should be held accountable for his actions (which has been very little today of anything useful to help the jury) not judged by Cathy's behavior. And he still has not clarified what exactly he found suspicious enough to carry over to today. Oh and I'm still waiting to hear from you Amanda.....

Could you clarify on what it is that you found suspicious?

Well, Amanda was just here and had nothing to say . So if I understand you correctly then you as still suspicious of Harry's actions yesterday but on his actions today, you said 'not much' in my asking you your thoughts on his actions today? What makes you suspicious yesterday but not today? Oh and Amanda came back and still said nothing. Hmm.....

She was suspicious with her vote and no reason given then disappearing, however if she wasn't feeling well that could have contributed to her suspicious behavior. For now I will give her the benefit of doubt with her illness. Ok. Thank you for clearing that up. What are your thoughts on Harry today? Amanda, you have said nothing today. The same goes for Tina.....thoughts?

I just reviewed Day 1 of the trial and I did see where you stated (later on) that you found her suspicious (after others had stated the same thing); the difference is these three found her suspicious enough to vote for her. You still voted Harry. If you found her more suspicious then why didn't you change your vote to her?