Lady K

Des only thought I was scum after you kept brining up every possibility for me being not town when it was revealed that the doctor protected me; except for the possibility that I am town, which I am. I kept on him for not participating with reasons for a vote so he went back to make this vote look better; I applaud his effort. Sure I'll comment once you have addressed my concern; which you are avoiding while directing attention elsewhere off the concern I have of you. The theory we have been discussing is the possibility of 8 town, 2 Bellagio, 2 Moletti which equals 12 to begin with. So now if that is correct than we have 6 town, 2 Bellagio, 1 Moletti left. That means we still need to find and deliver to the Judge all Bellagio crime family members. I really don't know how the Moletti play into towns win conditions. Two possibilities; both are crime family so both would be mafia and thus we need to eliminate them all. The other is that they are a third party and town won't be affected if they are still alive at the end. I personally think it is the first option and both crime familes will need to be give to the Judge for loyal jury town to win. In which case due to trial balance that would still mean, as I mentioned before, that there are 3-4 crime family members amongst us; and we have only identified one. Alan was Moletti. I would think that the other crime family members are hidden on the major bandwagons; so yes I would not be surprised to see one mafia member on the Tony bandwagon for Day 2. Again I still feel as Tony is the best lynch for today. He will not address my concerns directly but keeps trying to direct the conversation away from him unto others. I will discuss my thoughts in detail with any who ask.

Your implication that we were killing for killings sake is incorrect. As an experienced previous jury member you are well aware of the damage we as loyal jury town would take if we entered Day 4 with no lynch. I found Dez extremely suspicious (even to the point over you) by the time I placed my vote on him. He kept inquiring about the town block and pressuring Clifford to change his vote back; and if he had then we would have had no lynch. Your insistence that Clifford should have switched back to Amanda and thus resulting in a no lynch is very scummy. I really thought Dez was scum, I was saddened to find out he was town; especially with the way he flailed at the end like a scummy crime family member would to save his own skin. As experienced jury member you know the benefit his lynch brought the town. And as I pointed out based on Day 2 voting that the votes on Anthony: 5 votes for Anthony Dodson (Actor Builder): Khscarymovie4, Tariq j, jluck, KotZ, Forresto -one town, one Moletti, and three others that probably contain at least on Bellagio crime family member. As it would make sense that the Bellagio crime family would vote on the major lynch candidates. That includes you, Brock, and Amanda; right now you stand out above the other two as the best choice for today's lynch. Vote: Tony (jluck)

Wow, it is quiet in here. The voting for the past three days: Day1: Final Vote Count: 4 votes for Harry Oldman (fhomess): Tariq j, LegoMonorailFan, Umbra-Manis, Forresto 3 votes for Clifford Schauer (LegoMonorailFan): KotZ, Drunknok, Lady K 3 votes for Cathy Bridger (Drunknok): jluck, Kintober, Khscarymovie4 1 vote for Stephanie Diaz (Lady K): Kwatchi 1 vote for Dez Hunter (Forresto): Fhomess Nonvoting (0): Day 2: Final Vote Count: 5 votes for Anthony Dodson (Actor Builder): Khscarymovie4, Tariq j, jluck, KotZ, Forresto 5 votes for Tony (jluck): Lady K, Kintober, LegoMonorailFan, fhomess, Actor Builder 1 vote for Stephanie Diaz (Lady K): Kwatchi Nonvoting (1): Umbra-Manis Day3: Final Vote Count: 6 votes for Dez Hunter (Forresto): Kintober, Umbra-Manis, Actor Builder, Lady K, Khscarymovie4, LegoMonorailFan 4 votes for Amanda Callahan (Khscarymovie4): jluck, Tariq j, Forresto, Kwatchi 3 votes for Tina Hooper (Umbra-Manis): Penalty x3 Nonvoting (0) With no night kills (which is good, we didn't lose any loyal town) this is what we have to go on in addition to three days of conversations. The only thing that stands out right away in the voting patterns is that Dez voted for who ever Brock voted for after Brock placed a vote. The other thing of note is that Amanda had four votes; if Clifford had switched then Amanda would have had five and we would have had a no lynch for the third day in a row. While I hate losing a loyal jury member, we now know that Dez was loyal as was Harry; so we can begin to look at conversations a little more closely. And we know that Alan was of the rival Moletti crime family. Today I would really like to hear more in depth thoughts from Tina and Amanda. Both of you have been flying quietly under the radar and are really starting to stand out now for that behavior. And my suspicions of Tony haven't lessened but increased due to his thinking a no lynch yesterday was ok. He as experience and knows that is not the case. Also for Day 2 and Day 3; Tony voted the same as Brock and Dez. Speculating that a Bellagio would have been on the main bandwagons; Day 2 leaves the possibility that Tony, Brock, and Amanda (at least one of them) could be Bellagio. Just a thought.

At that point it was the last hour of the day and everyone was already committed to one of two lynches. If Clifford had changed his vote back in the last half hour we would have had a Day 4 with no lynches to go on. With your experience on many previous juries you should know better. It's sad to lose a loyal jury member but it is better than a 3rd no-lynch in a row day. The only ones who benefit from continued no lynch days are the crime family members; after Day 1 it always hurts the loyal town jury. I agree with this; it is scummy to want a fourth day of no lynch information flowing in; most jurors that jump on a bandwagon disappear before the day ends; very few are around to quick change a vote. Which, by the way in past memories of past juries, I got lynched the next day for doing that exact behavior. We were present when Clifford changed his vote repeatedly so we know the circumstance behind it; and the way Dez kept playing to Clifford was very scummy so it essential sealed his fate. Most probably wouldn't show back up in time to switch; and even then there would have to be a very solid reason to switch. In the case of scummy behavior Amanda and scummy behavior Dez, Dez was more so and he was around to defend himself where as Amanda as usual just disappeared. In his defense Dez looked more like a crime family member trying to save his own skin than a loyal townie about to be lynched; a lynch benefits the town the next day, he didn't even acknowledge that.

I second this!

Not cool, we lost a townie. Why Dez, why.... did you have to act so suspicious? At least the night was quiet.

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I think the best bet is for the Judge and Chief of Police to interrogate you today vs. tomorrow.

No. I don't think your innocent; I just thought you would go down with dignity.

No we are not ganging up on Clifford. And for the record I stated I found your behavior suspicious before you voted for me. Your lynch will help the town not hurt it.

Thank you. The town really needs a lynch today and Dez is the better choice.

Why? are you splitting the town? The crime family is going to win if this is how the town keeps on acting.......

Yes, I firmly believe we need a lynch today; Dez is our best choice. By moving your vote you vote with the town and ensure a lynch today; it was the right thing to do. And ensures a third day of no lynch....not a very townie thing to do. There is such a thing as sacrificing for the town benefit; but your are encouraging a spit town; how is this helpful? So your goal isn't the town goal or in the best interest of the town? Noted for tomorrows lynch (Day 4)

We do need a lynch today. While Tony is still high up on my suspicion list, so are Dez and Amanda. Dez has had several conflicting posts appearing to be helpful and then of late as refused to trust the one night result we have from night one (I was protected by the doctor from the scum kill) without proof. Proof would require the doctor coming forward in public and that is bad for the town and the life of the doctor. Since Day 1 Amanda has looked like she was contributing but added nothing of value. The biggest thing for me was that on Day 1 she was the first to vote just to get things going and she voted for Harry Oldman who it turns out was a gruff loyal jury member. Then contributes nothing. Day 2 she came and went and said nothing (even though I called her out several times) until voting started; then she breezed in voted, gave a post and was gone again; she voted for the CJA bandwagon (1st on the vote) which appeared to be an easy lynch. Day 3 she breezes in with a long post that indicated she hadn't even bothered to listen to what the Judge had to say about the nights events. Between the two, Dez is standing out more to me as trying to gather information about the town block; and that is not loyal jury behavior. And this is also one of the same reasons why Tony is still top of my list; loyal jury members do not need to know the inner workings of the town block put in public for all to see. For now I will: Unvote: Tony (jluck) Vote: Dez Hunter (Forresto)

You were fishing for information about the town block. The who is in contact with who shouldn't be public knowledge; the only reason my contact with the doctor even came up is because the scum tried to kill me night one and the doctor protected me. Your questioning the validity of it could be the same if someone came out and said hey the investigator cleared so and so but I won't tell you who the investigator is. The town block can't be proved or cleared for all to see and stay safe from the scum at the same time. It was my understanding that you voted for me; so how is Gary voting for you revenge voting? A revenge vote is a quick turnaround of a vote for someone who just voted for you. Glad to see you joining us; it would be nice if you could share your thoughts on the past three days. Again the town block isn't going to reveal a who's who here in public.

As I just stated above; this is fishing and its scummy. In all the jury duties I have served the town block did not advertising the goings on in the public; they had a spokesperson do it for them to keep the block safe. Of course with your experience you should know this.

You seem very focused on the town block here; details that you are trying to get out of Gary that no loyal town member who isn't on the block needs to know. In the past this has been called....fishing; and it is scummy. Tina was here again and said nothing. Tina where do you stand on the past three days events?

Fact check for you; I voted for Clifford Day 1 and Tony Day 2 only after he seemed so focused on CJA lynch that he completely overlooked anyone else. On that note Tony has moved from CJA to focusing on me; which still bothers me because he is not bringing up any other questions about anyone else; just moving from one focus to another. I am focused on Tony because I firmly believe he is misleading the town and trying to direct voting in the wrong direction. I do have strong suspicion of others; he is just at the top of my list.

So what I am seeing so far is: Stephanie (me): Jared, Dez Jared: Gary Tony: Stephanie Tina: Anthony Amanda: Clifford No votes yet: Tony, Brock, Tina, Amanda This day will be a bad day for town if this is how it ends up.

I brought this forward for the end of my post. I have been very active and questioning of many jurors; some at the same time. I have voted based on several suspicious post from who I though was most suspicious at the time and not joined a bandwagon just to cast a vote. This makes me a target for night kill. As I stated before, a quiet town= a dead town. Scum will try to take out the more active jurors first. Look what happened to Harry night 2; he was active and questioning jurors motives and conversation and he became a target. You are worried that an very active juror is part of the town block?? Only the crime family members have reason to worry; this is a strange statement coming from you if you really were loyal town jury member. Suspicious... There are others who should be mentioned as well; it is Day 3 everyone should be talking and voting by now. Anthony, just because I advocated against a lynch of you yesterday does not mean you are off the hook. Tina, you stated you would be more active: thoughts? Amanda, care to share your thoughts with us? While it is good to finally see others now joining the discussion; if you debate all day about me and there is no lynch then the scum win another free day and will kill again at night. Then on Day 4 we will be no better off that Day 3. This is the way of town working together though; if at the end of the day we don't have a lynch and the scum kill that night then they will win. By lynching we have a strong chance of taking out the Ballagio/Moletti crime family members. Why should anyone make you a deal? I am agreeing with Gary; your scummy behavior is on par with that of Tony. I would have no problem today switching my vote from Tony to you. Except for why would I be so active, out front and questioning if I were from either crime family? I am drawing attention just by being so active. This is the second statement from you that doesn't make sense from a loyal town point of view; you seen to not want to accept that I am loyal town. The only reason you would keep my loyalty in question in the front of everyone else's minds is that you are from one of the crime family members. So with Day 3 here; I have tried to give Tony a second chance; but two more statements he has made seem anti- town to me and suspicious. Vote: Tony (jluck) I still feel that you are leading the town down a bad path.

That would be interesting. It sounds like there were many fun games I missed due to RL; I hope to have the time in the future to continue playing.

Remember I was the one started the vote on Clifford Day 1 and he is new. His contributions have improved, and now we have a way analyze his actions better. My suspicion was due to you only focusing on one target for Day 1 and then again on Day 2, a target who just did typical new behavior. Using the vote initial to gain info is one thing; however you just kept on when by Day 2 there were other possibilities developing and you completely ignored any other option. With your experience this looked extremely scummy. Could the CJA members be scummy for either of the crime familys; yes, but on Day 1 it wasn't worth the risk. Day2 you didn't focus on anyone else; so still the risk was too high and it gave the appearance of you not helping town. I would welcome you being investigated as well. I wasn't defending the CJA trio; merely pointing out other possibilities that were being ignored. The focus solely on the CJA trio can be indicative of scum knowingly getting rid of an easy town target; especially on Day 1. Easy because of the lack of experience of the CJ jury members; so the lack of participation looked scummy and suspicious. I brought up Amanda and Tina at the time because they were quiet and have the experience to know how to participate and be active or alternately how to hide and fly under the radar. Yes, you are. The option you are missing is that I am town with nothing to hide. I am actively trying to engage the town in conversation so the town wins. And I was saved by the doctor from the scum kill; if the scum had been successful then just how active would the conversations be right now? I am even welcoming the debate about me just to get this quiet town talking, would a crime family member do that? No. The best win for the crime family is a quiet divided town that can't stand together and make a decision. And yes to your comment earlier, I wouldn't doubt that the crime family is all over the place in voting; in keeping the votes split there is less likely one of them will be lynched.

Finally. At least you are now looking at someone else; even if it is me. I have nothing to hide, but I look forward to the discussion.....unless you are trying to distract the town. This bothers me as well. With only a very small number of us willing to have a conversation, and now one is dead and was a loyal town, scum will use this to their advantage and lead us astray. I had expected to see at least a couple of votes before I got here the first time this morning. A quiet town=a dead town. ??? It seems I am in cross conversation here, sorry If what I ask has already been answered.

Although this would seem to make sense except for two points: 1. Cathy/Jimmy were new jurors; as I have stated before, I have seen many times before new jurors make scummy mistakes Day 1 just because it was there first time on the jury. Given time, usually by Day 3 they start to make up for lack of experience or are then lynched for extremely poor performance. Usually the Day 1 lynch is town affiliated; so a lost of a loyal jury member just to have a lynch and get rid of the new guy/gal. Their CathyJimmy behavior to me seemed just that; scummy due to lack of experience. No scum crime family worth their reputation would let a new member get away with that blatant obviously scummy behavior without counseling them in private. So again newbie. 2. You,however, have plenty of jury experience and I have seen both sides of your loyal and scummy behavior. Now, yes, I could be wrong (and would give an apology) but your Day 1 lynch the new girl/guy and on Day 2 again; brings back thoughts of your previously scummy behavior. In essence I believe you to be the best lynch choice again for today. You have given no indication that you are loyal town, even when the lynch could have gone for you yesterday. You gave no defense to change the minds of those who voted for you. And I believe this is why Harry was killed. Because he changed his vote from Alan yesterday to you because he found you more suspicious. Your drive to eradicate the newbie as suspicious reminds me of past experiences; which is why I am extremely suspicious of you and that you are trying to lead the town in the wrong direction. The thing that bugs me the most is you have brought up no one else as suspicious and lynch worthy as the CathyJimmyAnthony. This stands out as anti-town. I hate losing your experience, but at the same time I can't risk that you are a Ballagio family member. Thank you for clarifying your thoughts. On all my previous jury duties; the vig was town. And in all honesty I haven't served jury duty with you before so your experience is different than mine. Day 2 I was in agreement with the lynch, however the scummy crime family was every effective in splitting the town vote so we had no lynch. Thank you for your response. However, I did mention that I had re-read this conversation and what confused me was that after the discussion of a third-party on Day 1, why did you bring it up again on Day 2? We understand your suspicions of me; but for the town to win we need to eliminate all the Ballagio crime family members and spit voting after Day 1 really doesn't help. A lynch at the end of the day is what helps. Keeping a single vote doesn't help the town and only looks anti-town. Revenge voting is obvious when the voter has no good reasons for the vote. If you find me suspicious, ask me question, evaluate my responses, make a decision, back it up. I have nothing to hide so I will answer your questions.

Sounds fun. New roles and new types of mafia games are always fun to play. I would be up for a game like this. I have wondered how these types of games would work; every man for themselves. I would think that if everyone thought it was similar to a regular game but in each players bio there were specific win conditions (with no PMs) then no one would know that everyone was a third-party type. Discussions would be similar to regular days as everyone would be trying to complete their specific win conditions.