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I didn’t really like it. I found it was a mid film with great cinematography. But some racing in Starfighter would be fun. Well I wouldn’t say that it’s gaining popularity as I’m just retooling my ideas from 9 months ago. @Mandalorianknight i am very much enjoying all your movie wishlists. Some much needed remakes combined with a unique spin. Delicious. Simply delicious. And most impressive. 1. I’m not sure. But the lack of a ISD bridge diorama is just stupid. 2. Have a cap on 18+ gimmicks sets (6-8 annually) and revert back to being mostly play-set focused to ensure variety. That’s how I got into Lego as a kid, and it’s how I intend to stay in Lego until I’m inevitably priced out or they run out of plastic. Instead a full wishlist, I’m going to start a What If series. Where I speculate on how things would have changed if something different happened or didn’t happen. Starting with: What If: The 2020 501st BP had been a commercial failure? Some major things: Lego would become much more reluctant to take internet demand seriously, particularly regarding TCW. 2021 - would have no difference 2022 - where we start seeing some major differences The April 187th Republic Fighter Tank would have been replaced by a Hoth Defence set (Snowspeeder and a small trench build with: Luke Skywalker, Dak Ralter, General Reikan, Rebel Soldier and a Snowtrooper) The August AT TE would have still happened. But,since online fan demand for clones like Cody was evidently overblown after the 501st BP, it would have been AOTC based to tie in properly with the minifig pack and Obi-Wan’s Delta 7. Minifigs would have been: Clone Commander, Clone Lieutenant, Clone Trooper, Mace Windu, Anakin Skywalker and 3 Geonosis B1 Battledroids. Everything else remains the same 2023 Instead of 501st Specialists BP, BF2 still gets representation through a remake of 9489 but with a Stormtrooper heavy instead of a scout. 20 years of Clone Wars is still celebrated with some 18+ representation. However only P1 Cody’s 18+ helmet and not Rex’s is made (Rex is replaced by the AT AT Pilot or a Red Guard) The UCS Venator still occurs since the ISD retired and the UCS Gunship had still been successful. However, P1 Cody and General Kenobi are the minifigs included. The September Coruscant Guard Gunship is replaced by a new Endor Bunker set to commemorate the 40th anniversary of RotJ and act as a companion to Yavin. (Minifigs include: Imperial Officer, Navy Trooper, Scout Trooper, Stormtrooper, Ewok, Chewbacca, Leia (reuse from Speeder chase) and Han Solo.) But this set is an additional £10 compared to the Gunship we did get. Instead of a summer 332nd BP we basically receive 75373 10 months earlier as its companion, the Moff Gideon bunker, had been made obsolete by the Endor Bunker. Everything else remains the exact same. Including Yoda’s starfighter as it’s still 20 years of clone wars. The 212th Clone in the year’s AC never actually happened in the 2022 AT TE. And is therefore replaced by a Scout Trooper 2024 The Clone vs Droid Battlepack still happens. But with 3 P1 Clones and a P1 Sargeant after the AT TE, unlike the 501st BP, was successful. Fives does not become an Anniversary figure, he is replaced in the lineup by either Mara Jade, Kix (pirate), Yaddle or Yarael Poof. Since Moff Gideon’s bunker has now been made obsolete, it is replaced by an Acolyte Vector Starfighter set. (Including: Sol, Osha Jecki and Qimir.) Instead of Ambush on Mandalore BP, since that has already released, we get a generic KOTOR Jedi vs Sith Battlepack to represent how Lego has made sets for that era, and to somewhat tie in with Acolyte. And to give Malak some playmates without making him less special. Instead of Captain Rex’s Y-Wing Microfighter we get General Kenobi’s Republic Gunship Microfighter Grogu’s escape does still happen, but the 501st Troopers included do not have helmet holes as without P2 Cody in 2022 they would have never needed to make a new clone helmet. Surprisingly, Rebuild the Galaxy still happens with Jedi Bob in a leading role cause it’s funny. However, he does not receive his own Starfighter set as Lego’s not entirely confident the internet demand will translate to good sales (after 501st BP) and instead is included in the Dark Falcon in place of Beach Luke. Jedi Bob’s Starfighter set slot is replaced by a TPM AAT with: Padme, Jar Jar and 2 B1 Battledroids. Since Moff Gideon’s bunker never happened, neither do Praetorian guards. Which means that the one in the 2024 AC is replaced by one of the generic KOTOR Sith from the BP. There also are no P2 Clone paper bags with magazines due to them not having been in sets, there are instead more builds and named characters. Since there’s less confidence of TCW Glup Shittos, R2 KT rightfully replaces QT KT as an anniversary figure since, despite QT being a stand in for KT, KT is ultimately the droid which represents the SW fandom at its best. Everything else remains the same. 2025 January remains the exact same. The ARC-170 happens for ROTS 20th Anniversary and Ahsoka’s Interceptor because she’s popular. The August Clone Turbo Tank is replaced with a Kashyyyk Republic Gunship including: Luminara Unduli, Commander Gree, 2 41st Scout Troopers, Chewbacca and 2 Battledroids. As by that point it’d have been 12 years since the last Gunship release. The 327th BP is replaced by Separatist Attack: Vulture Droid, Dwarf Spider and 2 B2 Battledroids vs Yoda and Tarful Whilst the UCS Jango’s Slave One does happen to try and entice those who already have UCS Boba’s, the Play-Scale August Slave One is instead Boba’s based on ESB with: Lando Calarissian, Boba Fett, Princess Leia and a Han Solo Carbonite slab. The August V-19 Torrent doesn’t happen due to the possible inclusions of Obi-Wan and Anakin already being on shelves for cheaper. Its set slot is replaced by a TIE Avenger with: Cassian (using the new helmet mould slot used by the Clone Pilot), Krennic and a Stormtrooper No midi-scale Republic Acclamator. Instead we get a midi scale imperial shuttle. Instead of the Clone Cadet May 4th GWP there is instead a small Yoda vs Palpatine Senate Duel diorama GWP. The Separatist MTT I’m honestly not sure on. It definitely would be different. But I’m not sure if it’d end up being something else entirely like a Fondor Haulcraft, Boga Chase, Stinger Mantis or Gozanti Cruiser or just as easily have become simply a brown TPM MTT. Everything else remains the same. As the 501st BP had nothing to do with the Buildable character scourge. 2026 The Mauldalorian BP now includes TK Troopers instead of 332nd and is pushed to June to tie in with Maul Shadowlord. Due to the Coruscant Gunship never happening, the Shocktrooper Mech is replaced by P1 Captain Rex’s Republic Gunship mech Everything else is pretty much the same from what we know of the year so far. Okay. So that’s my What If. Some good changes, some bad. I’d love to know what you guys think and whether I’m just unreasonable. And do let me know of any What Ifs you’d like me to try and figure out.

2027 specualtion (with a spot of hopium sprinkled in) January - small sets BARC Speeder (£8.99): General Kenobi and a B1 Battledroid Ahsoka mech (£12.99): Ahsoka the White Imperial Remnant vs New Republic Battlepack (£19.99): 2 NR armoured troopers, Remnant stormtrooper (pauldron) and Remnant stormtrooper (ammo pouch). Builds are an Imperial fortification and Probe droid. Anakin’s Delta 7-B (£24.99): General Skywalker and Count Dooku Midi-scale Chimera (£54.99) Midi-scale Razor Crest (£59.99) 4+ Anzellan workshop (£19.99): Buildable Anzellan and various tools March - Ahsoka S2 TIE Defender vs New Republic A-Wing (£99.99): Ezra Bridger, Grand Admiral Thrawn, Night Trooper TIE Pilot, Captain Enoch and Chopper Peridia Shenanigans (£???): Ahsoka Tano, Sabine Wren, Baylan Skoll (and Shin Haiti?) Smart Play: hopefully non-existent thanks to the abysmal failure of this year. Or at least limited to the 3 sets we know about: R2 D2 Echo base Ewok Attack Starfighter - due to being a new IP with no pre-established characters and in a year with a lot happening, I think this will get a 4 set wave. Not too little, not too risky. Hero Starfighter (£???): Literally me, Mia Goth (I haven’t seen any of her stuff), Will Mackenzie from Inbetweeners and the kid. Villain Starfighter (£???): Daemon Targaryen, John Stewart, Daemon’s goon. Something else (£???): Lyonel Baratheon, Lois Lane and another of Daemon’s goons. (Maybe more) Drive (£29.99): Literally me, the kid and one other character. (Landspeeder we saw in that black and white photo from August) May UCS Obi-Wan’s Delta 7-B (£179.99): Obi-Wan Kenobi and R4 The Mandalorian Bust (£59.99): The Mandalorian Clone Commander Bust (£59.99): Clone Commander ISD Bridge Diorama (£119.99): Admiral Ozzel, Captain Piett, General Veers, Darth Vader and 4 Crewmen. (“Good, our first catch of the day.”) Posters: McQuarrie/ Gold Luke Skywalker Icons of SW: McQuarrie Han Solo/ Gold Yoda Summer - the bulk of anniversary celebration 50th Anniversary Gold Squadron Y-Wing (£64.99): Dutch Vander, Astromech, Yavin Ceremony Luke and McQuarrie/ Gold Darth Vader Anniversary Bounty Hunter Pursuit (£54.99): Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Zam Wessel and Padme Amidala TIE Avenger (£59.99): Cassian Andor, Director Orson Krennic, Stormtrooper and/ or Range Trooper 50th Anniversary Ewok Village (£159.99): C3P0, Chewbacca, Han Solo, Princess Leia, Stormtrooper, Scout Trooper, 3 Ewoks and McQuarrie/ Gold R2D2 50th Anniversary Buildable Yoda (£139.99): Yoda and Gold/ McQuarrie Chewbacca Luke’s X-Wing Microfighter (£12.99): Luke Skywalker Republic Gunship (£139.99): Clone Pilot, Clone Trooper, Clone Commander, Mace Windu, Shaak Ti and 2 B2 Battledroids 50th Anniversary OT Millennium Falcon (£169.99): Han Solo, Luke Skywalker, Darth Vader, Chewbacca, Princess Leia, Ben Kenobi, R2 D2, Lando Calarissian and Mcquarrie C3P0/ Gold Boba Fett/ Holiday Special Boba Fett September: Advent Calendar (£34.99): Holiday Scout Trooper, Sabine Wren, Celebration Luke, Darth Vader, Ginger Bread Clone Trooper and a B1 Battledroid October MBS Yavin IV (£699.99): Mon Mothma, Ceremony Luke, Garven Dreis, Wedge Antilles, Han Solo, Ceremony Leia, Chewbacca, Hera Syndulla, Chopper, C3P0, R2 D2, Jyn Erso, Cassian Andor, K2S0, Bodhi Rook, General Draven, Farns Monsbee, Vel Sartha, Ruescott Melshi, Pao, 2 Rebel Fleet Troopers, 2 Rebel Ground Crew, 2 Rebel Honour Guards, General Dodanna, Alexsandr Kallus, Commander Ezra Bridger, K2S0 and the magic Lunch Lady. (Build is similar to Minas Tirith with a Green X-Wing side build. The GWP is Cassian’s house with Bix, Kleya and Wilmon) The Mandalorian’s Sleigh (£44.99): Christmas Mando and Grogu on a sled similar to the Super Bowl Advert. (S@H exclusive) Edit: just remembered Bespin duel would also have to be in here somewhere. It should take the Gold/ McQuarrie Chewbacca minifig. That’s at most 33 sets. But with luck, Smart Play will do so badly that Lego scrambles a Jedi 3 set or two if it releases next year. Designs that Lego probably had in the works at some point anyway but could easily add JFO minifigs (Police Gunship) at least could get made. I absolutely would love these. But with the shuttle this year I’m not holding out hope for a landing craft. I’m glad we’re on the same page about needing a versatile imperial Battlepack though.

A few suggestions for surprise summer M&G sets: Interactive Dejarik (£24.99): Rotta the Hutt and Mando with a sword (builds are one of the arena creatures and Rotta’s axes) Imperial Remnant Battlepack (£19.99): Remnant Stormtrooper (Ammo pouch), Remnant Stormtrooper (Pauldron), Remnant Snowtrooper and Remnant AT RT driver (no stripe). Builds are either of: the speeder in the trailer, probe droid, small turret or a minifig scale AT RT. Hutt Starfighter (£34.99) (I assume): Embo, Martin Scorsese, and 2 Mercenary droids. 14+ MBS Remnant Shadow Council Funtime Hideout (£189.99): 3 Remnant Warlords (potentially including Pellaeon), 2 Remnant Snowtroopers, Remnant AT RT driver, off-road Mouse Droid, Mando and Grogu. Can connect with the AT RT Attack’s turret build. Me too mate.

New Subtheme (actually decent idea that adds to the experience at no costs unlike smart play) Lego Star Wars: Galactic Conquest My idea is a LSW table top gaming subtheme which also functions as: a way for kids to get main characters, a fun game to play with friends and also a method for collectors to get new characters. Each Hero character gives their troops buffs, if put in command, (e.g. +10% speed or armour) as well as having double the health as a normal soldier. Soldiers have hit points of 20 HP, except for scouts who have 15 HP but 25% more range and movement speed. All of this enhancing the current theme and being able to fit in with regular sets unlike smart play. Basically Lego SW Legion/ Warhammer Key Starter packs all include 4 Hero/ Commander units and 4 soldiers (£74.99 mostly). All include the basic tank (TX-130, AAT, AT ST, etc,), speeder, command post and turret a player faction’s base camp will start a game with. (Base camp is where you send regular units to heal hit points, as well as Dropship evacs/ deployments if playing with different fronts) Army expansions are just normal battlepacks but with ability/ stat cards for the exclusive unit added in (£19.99) Commander/ Hero expansions include 3 characters, a small build and their ability/ stat cards (£14.99) Phase 1: the basics Rebellion Starter Pack: Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Princess Leia, Chewbacca, Wedge Antilles, Endor Commando and 2 Rebel Fleet Troopers Empire Starter Pack: Darth Vader, Boba Fett, Grand Admiral Thrawn, Moff Gideon, TIE Pilot, Scout Trooper and 2 Stormtroopers Light of the Jedi (Commander/ Hero Expansion): Jaro Tapal, Luminara Unduli and Master Sol Acolytes of the Sith (Commander/ Hero Expansion): Savage Oppress, Eleventh Brother and Qimir Empire Army expansion/ imperial Battlepack: 2 Stormtroopers, Scout Trooper and a Incinerator Trooper Rebel Army expansion/ Rebel Battlepack: 2 Fleet Troopers, Endor Commando and a Wookie Warrior Phase 2: expansion Republic Starter Pack: Obi-Wan Kenobi, Ahsoka Tano, Captain Rex, Commander Cody, Clone Pilot, ARF Trooper and 2 Clone Troopers Separatist Starter Pack (£59.99): Count Dooku, General Grievous, Cad Bane, Admiral Trench, 1 Security B1, 1 B2 and 2 B1s Republic Army Expansion Pack: ARF Trooper, 2 Clone Troopers and a Republic Commando Separatist Army Expansion Pack (£14.99): 2 B1s, B2 and a Commando Droid Heroes of the Rebellion (Commander/ Hero Expansion): Cassian Andor, Hera Syndulla and Sabine Wren Shadows of the Empire (Commander/ Hero Expansion): Agent Kallus, Iden Versio and Captain Enoch Phase 3: Let’s get nuts Hunters and Criminals Game Expansion (£84.99): The Mandalorian, Asajj Ventress (ToTU), Fennec Shand, Darth Maul (Shadow Lord), Dengar, Bossk, 2 Maul Mandos and 2 Crayola Mandos. (Incorporates both light and dark sides of underworld) Clones of the Republic (Commander/ Hero Expansion): ARC Trooper Jesse, Commander Wolffe and Captain Gregor Separatist Leaders (Commander/ Hero Expansion): Wat Tambor, Nute Gunray and Poggle the Lesser Jedi of Legends (Commander/ Hero Expansion): Mara Jade, Kyle Katarn and Cade Skywalker Villains of Legends (Commander/ Hero Expansion): Warlord Zsinj, Darth Talon and Darth Revan Thoughts? I feel like this would work a lot better in tandem with normal sets than smart play and the starter packs could also serve as general introductions to the LSW theme.

Don’t forget the imperial shuttle. ($140)

Borsk Fey’lya from wish.

Robot T-Rex without a doubt

I severely doubt that Lego would make a Child Murder: The Movie CMF.

My theory is that it’s Streetfighter, it’s a film based off a well liked IP that is literally suited for a minifigure series thanks to its roster. What I’d like is a DCU specific CMF.

Andor S2 Andor S1 Mando S2 Ahsoka Mando S1 Kenobi (the duel in the final episode, the teaser trailer and Vader scenes do a whole ton of heavy lifting for me)* Skeleton Crew TBoBF Acolyte * But I agree with everyone that my favourite character should have been treated far better than in what was mostly a mid-bad series. This was the one I had the most hype for prior to Andor, and it failed to meet its potential. Andor S2 on the other hand was everything I had hoped for and more.

In recognition to the best Marvel comic series in years: Ultimates Unite!!! Wolverine vs the Tsar (£9.99): Brick built Colossus vs Wolverine Richard Parker Venom suit (£12.99): Richard Parker and Shocker America Chavez and Captain America vs Midas (£14.99) Ultimate Avengers vs Hand (£19.99): Ultimate Deadpool, Ultimate Ghost Rider and 2 HAND Agents Triskellion workshop (£29.99): Doom, Iron Lad, America Chavez and Human Torch Giant Man (£34.99): Hank Pym, Thor, Sif and Captain Britain Gamma War (£49.99): Danny Rand, Ultimate She-Hulk, Bruce Banner and Shen Qi Guardians of the Galaxy Spaceship (£54.99): Gary - Wielder of the Infinity Gauntlet, Captain Marvel, Star Lord, U-82 and Cosmo. Botanicals Maker Tree (£59.99): Ultimate Kang, Doom, Spider-man and The Maker Anti-war Machine (£99.99): Vision, Luke Cage, Captain America, James Rhodes, Nick Fury and Hawkeye HAND Helicarrier (£139.99): Nick Fury, Magik, Wasp, Howard the Duck, Doop, Squirrel Girl, Hit Monkey, and a Hand Agent. @Mandalorianknight great Rivals suggestions as always. I hope we do see some representation soon.

Love to see it. I like all of these. You’ve got some very overdue remakes in there. And the senate duel would be awesome for play features. 2 vs 2 Battlepack ideas Jedi Knights vs Sith Warriors (£19.99): KOTOR Armoured Jedi, High Republic Jedi and 2 KOTOR Sith warriors. (Scorpinek droid build, 2 human and 2 alien swappable heads with alternate Jedi and Sith face prints, as well as 2 masked heads for Sith.) New Republic vs Imperial Remnant (£19.99): 2 armoured NR soldiers and 2 Stormtroopers (slight battle damage akin to 212th) Battle of Endor (£19.99): 2 Rebel Commandos, Scout Trooper and Stormtrooper (9489 remake) Shadow Operations (£19.99): 2 Republic Commandos and 2 Umbaran Soldiers Outer-rim Defence (£15.99): 2 Outer-rim Garrison Clone Troopers B1 Battledroid and a B2 Battledroid. (Build is a crab droid) Koboh Encounters (£19.99): Scout Trooper, Scout Trooper Commander and 2 Bedlam raiders (builds are probe droid and a Droideka or two) No one expects the imperial inquisition!! (£19.99): 2 Purge Troopers and 2 Jedi Temple Guards Hopes for some of the summer sets: Imperial Shuttle: will be sentinel class with accurate entrance hatch and will have 6 minifigs (Zeb, main imperial antagonist, pilot, and 3 imperial personnel) X-Wing: will have New Republic colours, be below £55 and include 4 minifigs (Trapper Wolf, Carson Teva, Embo and Astromech) AT AT: will be a decent size with 6 minifigs Jedi Starfighter: includes General Skywalker outfit and either Dooku or P1 Rex Icons of SW: includes Mara Jade Additional TIE Avenger and imperial remnant BP are yet to be revealed

I think a ghost pirate has a decent chance. It seems to be a big part of pirate pop culture that hasn’t been covered by Lego in an unlicensed manner yet.

By August of this year there will be 5 different Buildable Yodas and seemingly no TIE Avengers on shelves. Let that sink in (Day #259 of wanting one.) Will M&G be getting a Battlepack this summer? Every other Disney era movie has done so within a couple of months of the film’s release. And it could easily be a stormtrooper and scout trooper pack based off season 1 that could tie in with the Ewok Village.

4 different Buildable yodas will be available this year. All of them taking up a slot an able bodied TIE Avenger could. smh. Mando, Sigourney Weaver, Zeb, Grogu and Rotta as figures probably. Welp. That idea aged like fine milk. You’ll get Ozempic Hutt and you’ll like it!!! That’s why we should hope it’s a Sentinel. Guaranteed upgrade. We may even get a accurate interior and entrance hatch this time. But the best ones aren’t releasing until months after the movie FYI. The Smart Play Throne Room has better PPP than the Turbo Tank.

75446 is another Buildable Grogu

This just in: 75453 is Sand Tank (probably the crawler) 75455 is Anzellan Starship. 75454 is AT AT 75455 is Boba Fett Razor Crest and shuttle are MIA. Where are they?!

Day #258 of the TIE Avenger hunt. Ya’ll better strap in, it looks like we’re going to be doing this for more than a year. If we didn’t, then what’s the point? The reason why Lego’s so great is that it encourages imagination. The smartbrick removes some elements of imaginative play. To make pew noises, or not to make pew noises that is the question. I still hum my own ISD klaxons just for whenever I move around the personnel on my 2016 Death Star. I sometimes do little space battles between my Tantive and Light Cruiser. Making your own noises is part of the damn experience even as an adult. So Smartbricks mean we pay more for something that is arguably less creatively genuine.

I think @Mandalorianknight may be right on the $75 April set being a Razor Crest. Just having been given the Slave One treatment. Basically a $70 style ship with Mando, Grogu and Sigourney Weaver or Zeb. Then the additional $5 being allocated to some form of Rotta. (Ninjago Serpentine tail?) It’d kinda make sense for the movie’s main ship and main cast to be more accessible. Either that or the $150 930 piece April set. But that may be the imperial shuttle due to the close price point. (Would be 7 pieces less than the 2015 Lambda, so better pray that the shuttle is a Sentinel upgrade if it is the $150 set) If you’re right about the $75 Razor Crest, then a Y-Wing is 100% happening next year. We saw the Crest having a dog fight with what looked like vulture droids in the trailer. So he probably has it through a large chunk of the movie. Yeah. This is why I’m particularly hoping this shuttle is a Sentinel class. That way it’s a guaranteed upgrade from past versions at that price. Also would be nice to see the gantry properly represented at that price and a sizeable troop bay. Yeah. M&G has the opportunity to have a Rogue One style wave in both having a mix of OT and original vehicles incorporated into a banger wave of sets. It’s unconfirmed if it’s a Lambda or any class yet. I’m hoping it’s a Sentinel. But for all we know it could be a Zeta. Anzellan spaceship

There’s a non-zero chance that the sentinel might be the imperial shuttle class in M&G. Filoni and Favreau already showed us with the AT AT and Zeb having a significant role that M&G may be harkening back to Rebels. So the sentinel shuttle would do both that and convey that the Empire is so low on resources that officers have to use the standard troop transports. I’m going to guess that the shuttle is the set that comes with the main imperial warlord since the AT AT is supposed to be the opening. Maybe we also see Pellaeon? But it’s most likely going to be just Jonny Coyne’s Shadow Council member from Mando S3 who is confirmed to be in the movie. Last night in a nutshell: Day #257 of asking for one. It looks like it may take a while. Glad someone’s happy. But I just dislike the concept vehemently.

Interesting Huh? Why? Whyyyyyyyyyyy?! We’re already getting the bust. Holy peak. What even is that? It better not just be the OT cast. Bland Great Hell yeah

I might take you up on that, but I’ll need to see the shuttle and AT AT first (and if there’s a decent imperial BP this year) Oh yeah. It’s great to see the love for a genuinely awesome and well-priced set. It’s confirmed $140. So this might be the best one ever. Haven’t seen M&G but I already love it just for this.

Is there even any space for a TIE Avenger you mean?

They had us in the first half ngl

Unless there’s also a 9849 remake to tie in with this. Then it’d be more stomachable I’m so sorry guys. I blame myself for this one. Nevermind. That piece of hopefulness didn’t even get a kriffing hour before it was scorched. That’s three set slots gutted out of the summer wave. Time to start praying for 2027? Time for pick a brick imperial base and Ninjago Legacy ig. Unless the TIE Avenger reinforces us this August. Edit: Holy Kriff!!!!! M&G coming in clutch! And none of them smart brick. $180 AT AT $140 imperial shuttle (might actually be the best ever at that price) $200 Sandcrawler with Mudhorn (I think we found the 14+ set)