Daniel Lucas

@Bob Can we get a vote count? It'd be timely to see who is active but not voting, who is not active but voting, and who is absent completely.

I am honored. Even I start to feel scummy a bit, but I'd still lean to believe those who say I'm a town. Obviously they know something. Quite sad they want to lynch me for it.

I did take on his suggestion to consider looking at something else not just each other. Okay, a lot of people said that we're a distraction now. But without it there would be almost no discussion at all. I don't see why a lurker would come forward if we suddenly shut up. Even Trenton and Robin implied that I'm not being helpful but me talking does not block their ability to talk as well and they were completely silent D1 and even today. But fair enough, let's give it a try. Fabien had only about 2 or 3 posts until now for example. We've all very much forgot about him.

I did: It is weird, yes. I'd very much like to hear from anyone who hasn't voiced any useable opinion since page 2. But someone was kept repeating that I'm unreasonable. Yes, your tip is good, it was you. Maybe that was your intention from the beginning? I've accused you because you've defended Vincent from the beginning. Maybe that was all your plan seeing we are already in a moderate argument with each other. You seemingly always jumped in the perfect times to heat it up a bit.

If Vincent is truly town and I'm pretty much Town, wouldn't it be natural to try working together finally? Also as I said actually I truly was interested about the tuba. Don't you like the tuba out of the sudden now? Also don't you think I'm still unreasonable? Also why are you so sure I'm going to the chopping block already? I've got 3 votes, 2 of that was the same oneliner you gave yesterday. "Being unhelpful". Are you creating a bandwagon on this idea? Are you going to jump on it when the time has come so you can say you did not start it? Because you were talking about policy lynch since: Am I slowly turning into a scum so you can even deny that at the end? Or I'm still kind of the annyoing town to you.

Didn't you forget to add more multiposts to dilute the discussion even more? Come on, after your D1 performance surely you can do better.

Yes. I'll be here, eager to see your active discussion.

Town is very fortunate that you've managed to clear things up so exhaustively about it tough. And it only took a couple of words from you. One sentence is even easier to read than that whole bunch of dummy wall text. I was a fool, thinking I would be not revealed by you right at the spot where I've suspected you. Quite accidental, but it had nothing to do with you thinking my points against Vincent stupid, yes? Also your arguments were so solid actually, I couldn't even counter them. Yes, they are almost non-existent but uncounterable all the same. Jean's whole argument that a scum would've not killed after that warning is a single layered wifom, which is practically useless. None of us have died, sure. Now which recursive step was the truth? There is nothing to get out of this, thus I'm sticking to my idea, which is the most simple one. The big picture you are talking about is a wifom speculation. Once you get into that you won't will come out from that rabbit whole with any usable theory. You can tell anything what should have been the smart thing to do for which side in certain situations, but when you are in a PM with someone you think of scum, you are not so all-wise around. You do not risk by making any warnings, starting to speculate in which wifom step they won't kill you after that, unless your potential plan is to die anyways. And I think our PM discussion would not be something worth to die for. Thus I think any blank talk of a big picture is a delusion, but hey, that's just me being unreasonable. Yes. Your hypocrisy with your double standards is without limits. I've clearly contributed quite a lot of arguments, but if you force yourself a bit more, I'm sure you'll manage to cherrypick similar ones. Also I have already 3 votes, so you may want to jump on this anytime soon, don't you? With what exactly, Trenton? Were your text editor blocked by me all the time? If you'd give any specifics as it is clearly something which everybody loves to do here, I'd be happy to clarify. Is it just taken granted that I'm a Scum/Town-to-be-policy-lynched because I've contacted Vincent? Because if that's the case and nothing what I had to say makes any difference, let's all vote on me and just end the day now. Why wasting any time otherwise?

Okay, that is a fair question. His only argument was that I am unreasonable so far. Even if I am a scum, I'm far from being unreasonable. Even by answering your questions, while you are my other main suspect should show that I'm reacting to reasons. He memed around a bit, made double and triple posts which only inflating his post number, complained about getting a coma because of me, talked about policy lynching me, voted for me, flipped for a revenge vote, talked policy lynching me again, did not had the balls to vote it out. Seems he waits until he can push this thing without voting. Robin(lol) jumped on this out of the thin air after I was questioning him too for his obvious inactivity, parroting Aiden, no specific arguments. Fred(totally not lol) was the next one and I've talked about that. I was surprised honestly. But this is what I say. We obviously still letting people going under the radar. We had every chance to point out everything about each other at this point. I think you are scum, yes. Because of my PM, you think me of as a scum. What is sure that at this point we are making a huge mistake. Because you are right, which is actually blows my mind. The others truly do not give a shit. My suggestion is this: let's just leave each other alone for now and let's see what the others have to say.

None of them were questions except the last one! They were answers to yours. I'm actually laughing, this is MADNESS. My god, this is just unfair from you at this point. It is so overtwisting it might actually work out for you if you are not getting lynched by this. And you are using this to avoid the last questions. Madness. gIvE me eXpliCit quEstioNS! I wonder from who did you take that from. You chameleon scum. To answer yours however, I've contacted you mainly because of the fwooming, yes. I wanted to check out if you are going to use that. Since you had some emotional messages there as well without any fwooming I've totally thought it must be an act for sure. And honestly what else would it be? Role playing this hard, not to mention in the middle of a heated debate is anti-town in me eyes. Period. And you said already you won't stop, so I'll also stop mentioning it again as well, because clearly asking twice about it didn't work.

Because only to explicit questions can I answer explicitly. Suggestive ones are twisting. I lied to you about pm-ing other people, yes. I thought because of this you would not kill me and sweep our discussion under the rug by it potentially realizing later your direct warning was a scum tell. It seems you did not even realize until I pointed it out. Still, being reminded that others may have got copies maybe have stopped you if you did indeed. You did not said Aiden was 100% okay. I said you were 100% OK in your own opinion and Aiden only pointed this out according to you. The pronoun was refering to Aiden. Here is the quote: You intentionally do not want to say it out loud. You were warning me of telling about the PM attempt the next day. You never mentioned PM-ing to anybody. It was me mentioning it to you. There is the whole discussion quoted by you, so it is obvious you are lying about this if anyone checks it. You were not afraid of being killed because of your warning, which is a blank warning if you are talking with a scum or a vigilante. A town would have known that, fearing for his life. Only scums would know for sure they are not getting killed by a scum, but even if I would be vigilante your warning would have just pushed me to do it even more. But you did suspected me to be a scum spy very explicitly. This was the biggest scumtell yet from you in my opinion. These points are not inconvenient for me, actually it should be tremendously inconvenient for you. The only thing which is inconvenient for me that you do not get any questions from others because of this, all the work is done by me. You are right about this one. Town is totally not paying attention. I'm not saying you were fishing for role. This is was my idea at that moment after your warning. The warning sounded so authentic at first I've almost claimed to you to finally start building some trust. Only that I've realized that a warning would've likely not came from an actual Town. You've forget that such a warning from a Town is actually total dangerous and senseless if he thinks his discussion partner is a scum. But since you are here, you can prove me otherwise and tell me what was your town plan with that if not only to fish out a potential roleclaim. Why would you warn me beforehand when it is not up to me to decide that. Clearly you wanted to get some arguments from me to make you not do it, like you would have anything already against me. This is why I say you were the one actually fishing. You mentioned now a couple of names as potential scum, but my question is the same as yesterday, as in the pm: Why don't you think of Aiden as scum. You only threw in the possibility, but clearly he is only playing around you if you are town. Why is he not mentioned by you again? Implying you as a town is not hard if a scum does it.

I'm here and I'm able to answer anything as usual. Only that you've said this: Besides your tuba blaring, this is not a question but a suggestive statement hidden inside a question. Your previous post was the full quote of our pm discussion and there are no questions asked of me. Also I would have to know what were you thinking of as contradiction, since I'm not aware any contradictions I've made. If you'd be so kind to quote it specifically, I assure you, you will get your answer Mr guy who hypocritically does the same only with fwoomings around. Also actually your observation of Fred is valid, I have to say. His one hit me with the most surpirse, considering he said yesterday he indeed agreed with my reasoning but today his reason is that one of us has to be scum, thus me. I'm not sure in this perspective how I am the scum by agreeing me before, but at least someone calls me scum finally. Still looks like a bit flip-flop voting. Personally I don't understand how is he still not voting for Aiden after that coma post and constant, empty policy lynch talk.

This is fantastic. Hello there, Robin. I might remember to be first to point out your blank vote on Michael. Well, he turned out to be a modkilled town. I guess your contribution was better than mine. Also: If you have no idea what was it all about, you are welcomed to take your time and read it. Are you pleased with today's chaos? It seems chaotic for sure if you don't read it. I know, it is not easy to do with a thousand lines of fwooming, but it only gives more reason to do so. Also even if it is chaotic, it is also information. After your blank vote, please stop being so convenient with your neutrality posts. Maybe this was the contribution you did not like, hm? You surely did not cause any distraction with saying actually NOTHING yesterday. Maybe my sin was being the only one to question your total convenient neutrality through Day 1? Also, how is that no one is being called out by pushing a policy lynch (they are the one saying this, not me) on someone who had been quite active to use actual arguments? I might be a scum? Very well, this is mafia. But you gizmos have not even voted for me or implied a vote for being SCUM. You are all going, "Ahh policy lynch, you are distracting!". Sorry Robin, I'm sure you'd have already posted a thousand times more if not for me. But me making a PM is a scum move still! I'm a town needed to be policy lynched who was also a scum by pm-ing an other player who was convinced I'm town whole day. Stop calling me a F***** Town you coward scums and call me a Scum FFS. Like you'd already knew I'd flip town and no heat would be taken after. How am I the only one asking this questions?

Good for you. Also a great, informative argument. Anything more to add? Clearly you have over-argued this whole game at this point, so this is why you have the time throwing around empty cynical posts. Also you are welcomed to vote me back again, if this is the case. You were posting memes all around about policy lynching me, so please start to do so. Also if you are town, you are just plain lazy and ill-mannered. If you are scum, surely you can do better. Your contribution to this game is a pile of stinking NOTHING up to this point and you are still here to do just the talk with no real action. Even the lurkers are more helpful now. In better games this Aiden guy would have been lynched a hundred times by now.

Go fwooming around then. If something qualifies as zero help, that is it. But you know what? If no one is annoyed by that or questions its real purpose, which is causing pure annoyance and confusion I'm clearly not the one to tell you at this point. Also you say now that you've pm-ed around our talk. No need to make ANY warning to me this case about your planned actions TOMORROW unless you know already I can't kill you. Yes, but what word? There is no word except me approaching him. That is no reason to warn me of anything for tomorrow. Emmett, this is the same thing you are talking about. It does not matter if I'm scum or vigilante. If I want to and able to, I can kill him after this tomorrow-warning that night. Yes he might be able to send around things, but this is the problem, and I've pointed it out: I need to know he has actually a proof which would be a problem for me. But he does not have sh*t, because: I did not say anything scummy to him to be needed to kill him. I've only started a conversation about working things out. His reply about me being a scum spy is not so iffy itself, but a warning like he would have anything of a proof is total BS. If that's the case your last thing to do is to warn me about it. Even if I am a vigilante, you are just not going say it this directly. Also if you think I'm a vigilante you are totally not calling me a scum spy and warn me. Also if you can just PM this around you are going to say that. Unless you know this is all an act because you are scum and you are not getting killed. This is it. After this warning I thought he wants to fish me back for a claim, like I'd be under pressure of something because of this warn. And I did not want to claim anything to him at this point, considering that warning total nonsense from a town. At this point all of my messages to him was a hint that I might be in talk with others so he would not try to kill me on the other hand. I knew he is not going to think out how we are getting trust if we are town. I had a lot of patient and neutral questions to him to build this up but this was the response. And I had to hint the PM with others this to be sure he thinks about this. Relying on his wifom abilities is total unreal.

I hope the others are paying attention. You are totally not in the need to use a warning about a tomorrow action of yours. It is just pointless unless you feel safe already as a scum and you forget that it would be a tell. No reason to warn with TOMORROW ACTIONS. End of story. If you'd warn a suspected scum or even anybody of your tommorow actions N1 you are a fool. I've hinted I am already in talk with others to be sure, to remind him about this. It is not a sure thing but better than waiting out the kill attempt on yourself. You are not going to rely on the other's wifom abilities. That is unreal. Your counter-argument is an endless WIFOM. If you are town and you say something in PM which a scum should not know, you have the perfect reason to be afraid. In this case you are not going to warn about him with your tomorrow actions, believing you are so defended by it, not to mention if you are already in talk with others. That is not how a townie acts in a PM situations with a potential scum. That's it. No matter how many emojis you are going to post, you are clearly trying hard not to understand the difference.

Dude. Please just give me your opinion with actual arguments about my logic. Not unspecific phrases. Again: I pm Vincent, hinting that we might start to work together finally, Vincent says he thought me town, but since I pm-ed him he thinks I'm a scum spy (This is valid up to this point). Vincent warns me he is going to tell next day that I've pm-d him. I think this is BS, since if I'm scum I just kill him for this. No sense to maky such warnings. I hint him that I'm already talk with others, so he may start to worry I've posted copies. Thus I'm kind of defended of a kill if he is scum. It is not the same as warning about a possible tomorrow action. Which part is freaking over nothing? A Town would not simple warn a scum about his tomorrow actions. Period. Either he is out of his mind as a town, or totally not afraid to make such warnings as a scum. Because only a scum would've known I'm not going to kill him.

And what do you think about I've just pointed out? Jeans clearly says it is a twisting, but I say otherwise. Vincent not warned me saying that he is telling it to others that night, he said he is going to reveal it next night. I've hinted him I've already talked with others thatn night. Exactly, I've said already because that's a proper defense if he is scum. Warning the other of tomorrow while he can be a scum that kills that night is truly a fake thing. I don't see why Jean would say it is the same unless he wants to sweep it away quickly now.

Why would it not matter who said it first. That is OBVIOUSLY not true Jean. He said it first and it was a DIRECT warning. I've made no direct warning, just hinted it later that I've talked with others, that's it so he would not dare to kill me. Totally matters who said that first. Why would his first direct warning be the same? A warning would've not stopped me for killing him if I'm scum. A town would not risk saying that to a suspected scum. You are either not thinking it through or you don't want to.

You are missing the point. He warned me first for no reason. Why would he dare me to kill him? There is simply no reason to do that as town. Also I've not threatened him, but hinted that I've talked with others and he truly might be town. My reason was to avoid getting killed. I've done it indirectly. A Town would've not make any direct warning, since a Town is practically alone.

It is a good intention from you. Let's just keep it that way, shall we? Also, please stop the fwooming. I ask you again. Noise does not help town. Yes. I was lying to him saying that I've contacted others. But it is super interesting, so wait it out. I had a very good reason to: Vincent said himself in PM that he is going to tell everybody that I've contacted him, while I did not say anything revealable. I did not understand why would he say this. If I'm scum, I've could just killed him right after for this. A town would not warn someone this directly, especially someone he suspects as scum. Now I thought this is very interesting. Thinking about this I realized he is not even being afraid I might be a scum to kill him. I wanted to stay alive so this would be revealed. As it is now. Only that I did not want to PM around because I can't trust anyone. Also by this warning I've got the feeling he was trying to get an advantage of this contact and push me back into some claim. Clearly I've wouldn't have survived that claim if he is scum. Also if I end up dead he could've just twisted the discussion all around without me having any chance to reply. So I thought if I'm getting killed by asking the right questions in D1 and if he realizes his warning was actually a pretty big scum tell, I don't want him to think he can just kill me. So yes, I've hinted a little backdoor so he would not dare to kill me, being worried that others may have copies of our talk. Maybe had nothing to do with the actual truth. But I am alive. And since he quoted first, here it is: Would you say something like this to a Scum in PM? I think not.

Why did you not vote? Have you followed all the posts? No, I did not contact anybody else, but Vincent does not lie about this. I did tell him I've contacted others before him. I don't believe you. It is cleary a tool for you to make yesterday an unreadable mess. But if I'm wrong I have to ask you now. Stop fwooming.

Have to say, Remi did not have too much contribution. Opinions even less, almost just confirmation and chit-chat. We should check his post anyways. Especially the last two, because if he is not dead by being a silent and neutral townie, the cause may lie there. Jean was quoted once, asked for clarification on his vote on Justin. Andrew was the other one for his mention about night actions. I'm not sure where to put these. Later he made no further inquiries about the answers he got. Eventually he made no votes, that is also interesting. Definitely we should look at all the votes as well at this point. Also Vincent is telling the truth with his first post. I did contact him at night. Everything he said is more or less an accurate interpretation (still in a fragmented and suggestive style). Since he was very much convinced that I'm truly Town, I thought he should really start to act so. What is not revealed by him, that he made clear, he has no intentions to do anything whatsoever to work this out, because suddenly he thinks I might be scum after making a contact and my intention is fishing. For his defense, he might be totally right, nothing would prove the opposite by itself. I just find it interesting that his belief of my alignment is always so sure but very conveniently erratic. He did not make any suggestions what he wants me to do, if I'm Town. He is just always passively being ready with his script. When I vote for him, I'm a dummy and a counterproductive town. When I privately message him about this, I'm totally a suspicious fishing scum. I'm always behind one step in his standpoint, because I should have just listened to him right at the beginning and never even dare to question anything. Also I asked him why is he so convinced of Aiden's good intentions. Naturally both of them were accused by me and that could push them into some emotional bondage, but clearly that is senseless. I asked him why did he not find it strange that Aiden was protecting him, also voting for me witout questions, without any specified reason, why I've became so unreasonable so fast. The answer was the same, he knows nothing but his points were 100% okay and Aiden just made an objective opinion by pointing out that my accusations are indeed ridiculous. For the record he forgot to mention this part of the private conversation as well. And this was almost the end of it. There is one thing what I've asked him, and this is the actual reason I've contacted him: I asked him, if he truly thinks I'm not being helpful why is he going along with all this fwooming. He answered he is just having fun, "why am I not ignoring just his first and list lines of it?". And this was the only reason of my PM actually. Not the seemingly logical townie suggestion of fishing. No Scum would start to fish on him in my position, and he totally knows this. I was just curious about his answer to this and the style he is actually using in PM. Because he made zero fwoomings there, I can assure you. This is an intentional show. His whole manner, all the fwoomings and all the emotional remarks. Again, everything I had yesterday, stands now too. There is 0% sense to jump on a defense on Vincent or jump on an offense on me without any questions and arguments taken. Also there is 0% sense to believe a guy like Aiden, just because he agrees with us and we are so sure about our fwoooming arguments' infallibility. I had a pretty exhaustive conclusion of D1 and N1 now. Since most of us surprisingly vanished by the end of D1, this should be the time for other's to voice their opinion. But only if you won't start with not reading all the D1 posts. Go and do that first, please. Vote: Aiden Leon

If we lynch Aiden and he flips scum, you're next.