Daniel Lucas

You should. Definitely, since we supposedly know who he targeted.

Yes. And now that both Fred and Andrew said they were successful I guess we should see if they are getting confirmation. This is a very good question, but Fabien did not vote for him. But also was not very eager to emphasize this opinion about Alex if I remember correctly...

I think we should wait until people tell us what happened to them last night. I'd urge Fred not to tell who he blocked until they confirm back, as Andrew has suggested.

What scum blocker?

To honor our late friend Jean, here is my brief 'no shit' analysis: The killer made no move, possibly to wait out or to frame blocked players. One of the 3 blocked players is the killer. One of them is Vincent. Vincent was the kill target, but he waaaaas.....wait for it.....protected by me, since I'm still a humble jailer. Someone else was the kill target potentially protected by Robin.

Vincent spent the night in a comfy cell aboard the Clipper. I figured he was up to no good. Either to pilfer our rum supplies...or worse.

Not to brag or anything but I'm the last seaman serving aboard the Clipper. I guess you all shall call me Captain Lucas from now on! Someone bring my new epaulettes, please.

Nah, I'm no Jesus. Well, yes it is. I mean no. I'm not sure! Keep your vote then dear Emmett, sure. While I fooled the others not to go for Justin, I certainly did not fool you. Anyway if I'm the one to meet the fishes tonight, I'm sorry if I've caused truly so much confusion. I just tried to be active and push some scummy people.

Ahhh, I wanted to see if Emmett goes for it or not :( Nice job ruining the fun you nasty vulcan. Anyway, about your post above, I think Robin only meant his early declaration today of being blocked on the previous night. But here is the quote I chose to jail him for:

/* I also don't understand why Fred thinks now he is going to end up dead Sry, my typing is catastrophic

Yes, this is why I've said this: There is no confirmation of my alignment. Yes I've used some rethoric, but we are all claimed Town here for sure The thing is that yes, I'm the only one who is actually confirmed of being capable of blocking somebody. My reason for voting for Fred is that they've managed to block each other with Andrew. If they are both scum, it could be an alibi to actually target someone else. And Vincent's report of his night action suggests there is a 4th blocker. Might be, but I'm reluctant to believe Town has 2 blocker and even a Jailer, while even the Scum got a blocker. But what do I know, this is just speculation. Sadly no way to know for sure. I also don't understand why Fred thinks now he is going to end up that, after my PM. There was nothing in the PM which was not already made public. I've just included it so other's can see the nature and context of it. Why would he think he is the next target. Probably yes. In my perspective I am the next target, because I am more valuable. I don't trust Fred at the moment since I don't think he should have trusted me too with revealing his targets in his first PM. Maybe he did, maybe he just wanted to monitor me with showing trust. Again this is all speculation for now. If they are going to block other players with Andrew next day, they should be confirmed of their role finally. At least one of them I hope. This is how claiming can actually help Town. I don't fully agree with this talk from Vincent, Aiden and Peter and even Fabien at this moment about staying hidden, not giving scum iNfOrMaTiOn. Well yeah, as Jean used to say "No shit". Only we don't get any more reason to trust you either, also no tool to actually monitor your consistency. What is true that not all of you are scum. There is some mystery for them as well, that is true. Hard to decide which one is the optimal trade-off. Also, you are very much being silent as well Trenton. Do you have anything more to add? A vote maybe?

I pulled the votes from Justin? What? Vincent, did I pulled your vote off Justin? :( I thought you knew what were you doing. Also I am not saying my vote on Alex was not serious. I just looked at this answer and it made sense. Also it pinged me how convenient you was on Justin, while you agreed with Vincent about Alex, complained no one pays attention to him, only the silly-sausage Daniel but he only cares about himself even by doing this. Now he dares to unvote after just made everybody INCLUDING Vincent to pull their vote off Justin :( I guess we could have already lynched him too if I'm not unvoting him.... my bad.

Yes, but if I'm just not the luckiest liar in the world it should suggest I am actually speaking the truth. Altough Justin was wrong saying that I was first indeed. Justin has missed that again I think. He did that many times. What else to say about Emmett's accusation that I'm defending him? What heat?! I just backed out from a lynch on ALEX. How am I protecting JUSTIN with this? Someone else on my team, who? So what are you saying? I've said it now the third time, that me lying about the block makes Robin a liar too. Alex can be vanilla now? Or you still doubt it? Your point is that I was lucky by saying I jailed him? Really? That would mean Joshua voted on my wagon instead of helping me, to save his ass. Only to force me into a false roleclaim it is totally risky to be inconsistent of? You ARE saying it over and over again. While I just changed my mind on a lynch on a totally other person. Why would I need that single vote off Justin? Maybe I am mislead, but what you say makes zero sense. What, are you angry Alex not getting lynched or what? There you are, vote. Justin will be perfectly fine either way. This is totally not about him. It is about you. Also, why are you even talking about me? What is your statement? You just said you won't switch votes because it has enough already. Now it don't. Now you say Alex might be vanilla. Or I am defending Justin, who was NOT getting lynched. Why don't you just vote on Alex already?

How are you putting all your shit on me? Are you that lazy? Where did I say anything about your N1 actions? Wrong. There is the PM to Fred where I said already I'm going to jail you. Are you not the one blowing things out of proportion?

How am I defending Justin by unvoting Alex? What are you saying, we are lynching a Town? I just gave you the choice after you seemed to be so convenient not to switch becaue, "oh, Alex already got enough". You complained we don't pay enough attention for your observation on Alex. But you just watched all the bandwagon. Now there it is, you can choose. "You were doing so well!" HAH! That's not how I remember you talking about me before. Also did you just skipped while actually reading? If I'm lying about the block, Robin lies too. It means I could have lied about Alex. Who also could have lied about being a Vanilla. You said you just saw me take the action on him. Now you say I was giving him Night Action protection? :D But how could I lie about jailing Alex this way, before knowing what his answer will be? Did I protect him as well? Why would he not confirm my block in this case as I said and claim some totally easy passive Town role this way? If I lie, Robin, Me and Alex are all scum, what are you not following? But you just said I'm defending Justin. The 5th scum? I was doing well, thank you very much. You did not however.

Sorry, with Emmett and Vincent it is actually not true that one lying means the other one is lying as well. It still possible for one of them to lie without the other to know about it.

You can switch votes anytime you want, like this: Uvote: Alex Howe See? Now you are perfectly capable to decide which one is more scummy in your opinion. Alex or Justin. For you Alex: I f*uckin' hate that you've just found your voice now that we wagoned on you. Clearly you had just the same opportunity to speak through the whole game. Also you actually started to make sense. As I've said before, I can't accept that there is a 4th blocker. I also pointed out that Andrew blocked Fred and Fred blocked Andrew back. And this is untouchable, unless both of them lies. No one else claimed blocker. Emmett and Vincent confirmed only each other. If some of them lies, both lies and Vincent was not blocked, Emmett is probably no Tracker. Fred and Andrew confirmed each other, if some of them lies, both lies. One of them still can be a blocker, which would explain this shady 4th block on Vincent. I know for a fact that I'm town jailer. And I know for a fact that I was not blocked even once: I jailed Alex, he does not confirm, he claims Vanilla. I jail Robin next, he confirms. If I lie, Robin lies too. Emmett confirms me with Robin, but if I lied, he lies too. Which means if I lie, two people lies instantly as well. That would be three liars now. But also this way Alex is either Vanilla/Passive Role and can confirm nothing just as he says so or lies too, because with any PR could've been already said I did not jail him. Now we are lynching him for the first version, and if he is not a Vanilla, he is Godfather. But again, for a Godfather he was quite silent, also why just not claim something passive minor town role? If the second version is true and Me, Robin and Emmett are already lying and he is the 4th liar. Which is too much already. What comes of this? That I am the only really confirmed PR who can block. Vincent just asked a very interesting question. Why was I not blocked? How could he Why am I still alive? I think because of Jean, he was a much bigger danger. Also maybe the Scum just tried to monitor who am I going to jail too: Here is Fred's PM to me: I don't think it matters, even as a simple blocker I could have blocked you I think. It is only interesting when we block each other, I'm not sure you get the protection that case. Anyways, I've targeted Alex for real. If you and Alex were swapped, that'll make his implicit Vanilla claim an interesting case tomorrow. I was honestly thinking of jailing you next, until you wrote. I did not want to spook him and even considered to believe him. But now it turns out he actually blocked the other claimed blocker, so only they can prove each other. Also: "If you targeted me"...Why would I had targeted you? I said I jailed Alex. Even left an acronym message to prove it later if someone would think I'm making it up in-game. I told you Fred, saying you'll trust me just because Alex's confirmation sounds unreal. But Alex did not even confirm me! You voted me so easily and not even unvote, only to threw in a 9th on Joshua. But after that you magically start to trust me. And you PM me, ask about the game mechanics, ask about what would've happen if I block you, because jailer "overpowers" blocker (No, why would I overpower you when you was not blocking me? Did YOU want to block me?) and you instantly give two of your potential blocks in the first message. Why would you trust me like that? I think you tried to monitor me. I think you tried to find out if I could neutralize you. Vote: Fred Dumont

We don't know that. Killer is an additional role and if Joshua was the one before, some other scum got the part. Alex was only blocked at N1 as far as we know. He can be the killer now. Also can be a Godfather, but he is rather silent for that one. I just don't like him not talking at all, not saying anything exact. Has he actually ever taken a vote? On Robin right? For voting on Michael. Oh man.

We meant the statement that he explicitly read Vanilla. It was suggestive, like we shouldn't even question that, since it is coming from Bob. Well duh.

Know what? That you are always playing against each other? Is this a joke? You know what, I don't care. Before this thing blows up into another forum war: Vote: Alex Howe

I say I have no reason not to doubt you. And yes, I say if you you would've gone first he would have briefly said "I confirm what Emmett says is true". What you say is true, or more explicitly "Yes Emmett, I did not target anyone" or even saying the same, that "I tell you more Emmett, I targeted someone just unsuccessfully, but you could not see that because I was blocked". Only the last one would have been the truth. Saying that he confirms what you say is true is implying that he indeed had no target. We know it is not true. Saying explicitly that he did not target would've been a direct lie. The first one is almost acceptable for an important Town Role, indeed. But if someone would ask for clarification he would have needed to actually lie, telling us he is a passive role. I'm not saying Vincent would have lied. I'm only saying he voiced his regret telling the truth and I have to point out he had no other scenario which he would have not been a liar. He needed to tell the truth. So I don't get this regret speech. Means what? You are telegraphing your alignment with metagaming?

Yes. But should we expect any other answer if you are scum? No one said you don't know what you are doing. That is the problem, that I'm completely aware you are doing everything intentionally. To be honest after so many roleclaims and this sentence of yours, if you are not actually scum, The Scum have already figured out you have some very useful, possible a detective role. The Scum are not lambs. Why would you even just suggest this out loud if you wanted to avoid the attention? I just asked. This is a totally valid question. If Emmett would've revealed you did not target anyone, you should have had to say something to it. If you would not reveal you have actually targeted anyone, we now know for a fact that would've been not the truth. But if you was ready to tell the truth all the same, why is the openly voiced regret? It wasn't me who forced that out of you. I've never even pushed you for any roleclaim before. I'm not picking apart everything. Stop the self-pity act. Like just one information could not change anything. You leaned town on Emmett all day, now you've become "wary" of him. You can do it, but I can not? I'm claimed Jailer, thank you very much, I suspect anyone who I just want to. What are you? You just confessed you have a role which you used unsuccessfully. I guess you had to because you was not sure what Emmett has saw. Obviously you thought this is not the time to tell any lies. But you said after you have regretted telling so much, because Emmett's answer could've let you to only confess the "not targeting" part. You are the one who even brought the attention with your regret. Also why do you think we should not ask about anything which is unclear? I was not picking on you for a long time now, because there was no reason to. Now I see you are hiding something. You may have your reasons, but we don't see anything which would make you unquestionable. Why would we just stay silent and accept you are serving Town without a doubt? I just pointed out that either you was blocked or you hit a deflector if you are telling the truth. I asked for any other scenario you can think of, because I actually felt you may be some PR. But you just said it out loud to the public, that your role is better to be hidden. Like the Scum would've really needed to hear that. WHERE did I make it clear? REALLY? How are you not concerned about this? What am I'm not believing? There is not even a statement so far to believe. God, how do you know he is no scum? Stop being such great buddies with allegedly no information about each other! You just said yourself you had no discussion with him about this privately so you shouldn't know anything more than I do. He just revealead he has a role. It is not my mistake. I only asked you to reveal who you targeted, since you was the one who claimed to prove you are not the scum who helped Joshua. I unvoted, now how do I am not able to believe things? Should I have known your target was Vincent, and should I have known he is town's unquestionable champion who should never been asked of anything? What the actual f***? Stop asking like I'd be anti-town for reacting to new information. This implication that you are some sort of covert, black-ops town block and we should just leave you alone is ridiculous. These are the information we have and I have my questions. End of story.

Yes, but you truly did not share your results before Vincent said his own version. Now we can't decide if you are just adjusting to known information or you were truly the Tracker. Only Vincent now revealed he actually targeted someone, while clearly he did not want to. I'm very interested why Vincent said that on the other hand. How should we take this, if Emmett would've said first you targeted no one, you'd have said publicly, saying "Yes, Emmett tells the truth, I was not targeting anyone."? That'd have been a lie.

Ohhhoookay, but as I've said it does not add up, unless I lie about jailing Alex, or you and Alex were swapped (not a single sign of any busdriver at the moment, considering N2 claims were right on) or you hit a Ninja deflector or something similar. Or there is a 4th blocker who had not claimed since. And you did not say you targeted Remi. Emmett says he saw you not targeting anyone, but that's not what you've said. You said you didn't target anyone successfully. It's quite the implication you are not a passive role. So I'm not sure I see the reason for your secrecy, because if you'd have targeted Justin for example, that'd totally suggest he is a ninja blocker and we should definitely lynch the f**k out of him at the spot. But why not saying that already? Also if there is some kind of other scum active blocker without a claim out there (hard to believe it is not Andrew or Fred or Me already), this would be a pretty good time if someone could confirm Vincent or just give me another scenario about this. Also it is a bit weird that Emmett's read was not seeing you targeting anyone. Either your unsuccessful attempt was reported back as "not targeting anyone" or one of you missed coordinating your info. I have a gut feeling that one of you lied just now. I may overlook something for sure, but help me out if you have anything.

This was never denied. Not our roles are the potential lies but our actual alignment. Wait, what?? Andrew blocked Fred N1. Fred confirmed this. I jailed Alex. It means either you targeted Remi or you were blocked too. That'd be a 4th blocker. Fred's and Andrew's action were confirmed twice, because N2 Fred blocked Andrew back. They can't lie about it unless both of them is scum. No one else claimed blocker. I can lie about jailing Alex. But why would I not knowing his answer? Only if Alex is my scum buddy, but why would he not confirm me this way? Unless: You just targeted a deflector, like a muthafuckin' Ninja scum or you and Alex were swapped and I jailed you. But this would suggest a bus driver. Who did you target? Why are you two, Emmett and Vincent just not sharing information, only conveniently reassuring each other? Emmett said he tracked me, but that is an obviously easy claim. It was already known. Even if I am scum I can't lie about jailing Robin, since I need to stay consistent. This makes it safe for Emmett to confirm me. From this information there is nothing that would tell us you are not playing together. Also who did you target N2 Vincent?