Daniel Lucas

I can be a partner in this vote, but I'm waiting for a response from Justin. I want to give him the chance to clarify why he did not respond to my PM after he made the contact the first place. Also If I'm wrong with Justin I don't want the idea that others scum voted on me besides Joshua be forgotten too fast. I think it is a safe assumption that the scum wanted to take attention from his wagon. I'd be really happy if you'd be a bit more verbose about my analysis Fabien.

This is being personal. I instantly implied after that I might have not understood you correctly. So I reread it. Here. You said Alex claiming vanilla. Here again, talking about the consquences of claiming vanilla. it is not the same as the quote above, where you very much sounded like sayin Alex claimed Vanilla. I only wanted to clarify. I'm still curious what do you think about this. I also suspect Justin for the reasons I've and you have said. Okay, I see. I think it was a misunderstanding. I've meant no disrespect whatsoever, but thanks for clearing that up.

Vincent, Alex did not claim Vanilla. Please pay attention. Or am I not paying? I'm confused a bit on your argument, but let me reread it. Also what do you think about my idea that some scum voted on me besides Joshua to create an other wagon? I only went to Emmett, because the other two plausible option was Robin and Fred. I jailed Robin and Fred claimed roleblocker.

*Edit: this leaves Robin, Emmett and Fred. Justin did not vote on me.

Truly no need to get personal. This is what exactly induced the previous shitshows. I apologized to everybody yesterday, I don't see any reason to keep beating the dead horse. My whole train of thought was based on that other Scum, at least one voted on me. Why? Because the other choice was Joshua and clearly the scum was in need to produce something else. Trenton unvoted after my claim instantly, while the Scum still was in need to not let people go after Joshua instead of me. There was clearly plenty of angle to keep the attention on me and I've noticed you gave us some. This leaves a jailed Robin, you Emmett, Justin and a town roleblock claimer Fred. I'm not jumping on final decisions, these are just my conclusions from my perspecitve. For example, Robin unvoted me but not voted on Joshua. His vote on Michael and this would make him the most non-wifom scum ever, which would be so obvious maybe we do not even consider it enough. If you are Town Emmett, you can help me figure this out.

I just made my conclusion of my vote analsys, it is that simple. If I'm right I totally expect you to keep pushing this "Daniel is unhelpful agenda". If I'm wrong, you may try to help me out by stop pushing that, because it is unfair. It is not an exact argument to anything I say, and any counterargument I point out can be instantly labeled as more unhelpfulness. It is a closed argument loop. Also Joshua just kept feeding this as well and he was scum. Also he was building a wagon. So it is confirmed scummy now to call me plain unhelpful without anything else to add. Also, if you have some information, share. But talking about having information and not sharing is strange.

Almost forgot. This was the vote count after I've role claimed. Trenton Monette voted for me as well, but he instantly unvoted after my claim, before Bob's new vote count, so I've flagged this in the quote. Emmett and Joshua jumped on after Trenton: It would be timely to make a vote analysis on this. I remember being triggered right after Joshua's vote. I totally suspected a couple of scum votes being on me already, but clearly not all of them could be Scum. Remember what Joshua said: Now this is why I start to think Vincent might be actually Town. In my Town perspective, Joshua was clearly wagoning as a scum and had to know I am going to flip Town. And this would've brought heat on Vincent, which Joshua would've wanted to avoid if Vincent would be his scum buddy. Also he was parroting Fred, because this was Fred's narrative, one of us (Me&Vincent) being a scum. I've told Fred he should not be convinced of my alignment, only because of Alex's potential confirmation, as I can be a scum roleblocker. I told him this in a very rude way, but it was true all the same. Emmett replied to this that I'm a Jester. Also he is being still suspicious of me at the end of D2. But of what exactly, Emmett? Me being a Scum or a Jester? Because I've also pointed it out twice, why Jester is a weak tip after my claim, considering that I was already wagoned. Either you knew this already or you were making a forced suspicion. Also "no nead for debate". Last time I heard something like that was Paul's "context does not matter". Robin and Trenton threw in the same "you are not helpful" phrase and you jumped on this conveniently. I know Robin is not a killer, because I jailed him. Trenton was a bit fast to unvote me, but I think for a scum after my claim it would've been even more beneficial to keep pushing the lynch on me. Seeing Trenton as the scum here is plausible, but too much WIFOM. This leaves Emmett or Fred. Fred did roleclaim to me and his actions are kind of confirmed at the moment. Actually it doesn't mean he can't be a scum roleblocker, just as I've pointed this out about me before. We all should keep this possibility in mind. The other lynch option was Joshua. Scum did not like that. Even after Jean kept pushin us on Joshua, Emmett did not swapped from me until the end when I've made a temporary peace with Jean and Vincent. At this point it was obvious we are going to lynch Joshua and not me. Emmett joined only now, being quickly the 7th voter, which is safely not the hammer. For the record, Justin was the hammerer and Fred was a redundant 9th vote. These three are all late voters on Joshua. Justin was not voting on me. Emmett and Fred were. Fred was talking about potentially unvoting me, but did not until it was clear I'm not going to be lynched. Fred's other potential block candidate was Emmett, but he went on Andrew. Since we know a couple of thinks of Fred which needs to be always consistent from now on, I'll go: Vote: Emmett Ware

Fair enough, my PM intention for Vincent was to get a scum read as well, and him being totally hostile - with the still suspicious warning - kept feeding my theory of him. Maybe it should have been the other way around, considering he is quite the emotional one this game. But why did you not respond? He DID NOT. And Jean left me explicitly pointing this out to be remembered. Also, @Vincent Denis. You've said you got the same from Jean as well in PM, saying Alex still might have some passive role. But later some hours later you go again: You just pointed out Jean's message as well that Alex's claim was not explicitly Vanilla. Then why are you keep saying this? Paul explicitly said, "I'm a Vanilla Town", while Alex did not. I don't want to imply anything now Vincent, it just bugs me like hell. If you are town, just stay consistent, please. This is exactly why I was chasing you for all D1 and D2.

Joshua being scum is a bit horrible. But since I've told Jean I'll humble myself if this is the case, let's see: First it is horrible, because the reason for voting Joshua was obviously fabricated, or I'm totally blind. Well, I might be "nuts" but I do pay attention. This would instantly suggest Andrew as scum, because that was the starting point, Andrew not poke voting for his scum buddy. So either this is blatantly true and Andrew is the scum buddy or we lost an investigator or role cop with Jean. Considering how hard he pushed Joshua while constantly picking on me because of my suspicion of Vincent tells me, Jean really had the information. Also for the record, this should not suggest that I was not giving useful and honest observations. You can't expect us to jump on your actual information on a scum for some weak reasons and just because you're annoyed at everything else that is not instantly about your hidden information. Anyway, Jean contacted me at night, and put emphasis on Vincent's quote, meaning that he thinks Bob tries "to fuck us" by not creating a role madness this time, while we expect it. Also pointed out, that Alex's claim is not automatically a Vanilla one, as Vincent and other have said, only not a PR. I answered maybe it is just a reflex because I thought of Vanilla too at first. Also I said to him I might jail Fred. He never responded. Also Fred contacted me indeed and really claimed town blocker. I suggested jailing him to give protection if he wanted. He said it would be a bit self-serving, considering we'd have two blocks instead of none. That was a fair conclusion, so I said we should coordinate. He told me his potential blocks earlier, so I jailed someone else. I've jailed Robin, successfully. I actually wanted to block but protect him as well, because he practically softclaimed as a PR in D2. I thought the scum may bite on this, because it easily could've been a "Shoot me" bait. I'm not sure, maybe Robin will finally tell us more except of me being unhelpful. Justin contacted me as well. He said for what it's worth he thinks I'm Town. Also asked if I truly think Vincent is scum. Now this pinged me HARD, because obviously I voiced my opinion of Vincent being a scum all D2. Asking about this again felt some blank, buddy up talk, or maybe a hidden threat. So I've answered, (instead of throwing accusations and warnings around, duh) it does not really matter now, because except Andrew, Joshua and him no one played like patient Town - not even me - and clearly the other's were not interested in voting for Vincent to find out. I thought this is going to ease him, in case my ping is right. He now implicated that Fred and I could be working together as scum. That is interesting to say. If I am scum, why would another scum openly jump next to me with another and potential scum roleclaim, while I'm clearly not the most confirmed Town out here. Also any counterclaim for the same roles could give us some hard time as well. This door is seemingly open for Justin, I'm just not sure how does he plan to figure this out if true. Also I don't know how all this fits into his PM for me. Either he was trying to get some scum read on me or tried to buddy up for a potential wagon on Vincent next day. Also he did not respond to my answer, but maybe now he'll clarify his intentions.

Pretty sure he's a double agent. Recruit my ass. Night Vote: Patrick Triggs

Right, forget the restriction. Welp. *forgot

No, we actually stopped fighting to create the bandwagon. I am personally not so happy about this. I've voiced my concerns about certain players you all know of and my only sin was I think is sending a PM message which was taken (or coordinatedly twisted) as a scum act. Which again would have been a totally idiotic thing for a scum, considering that in a lazy paced game like this even just posting too much makes inactive players call you unhelpful. And while Joshua you've voiced similar observations and concerns to me, you did vote on me all the same. I honestly believe you were a bit lazy with that too. There was your chance to make some pressure on people who were going off the grid by playing helping each other quite obviously. But hey, I'm not on a revenge mission or something. I was directly asked to vote on you as a peace offering. And since this means not my head getting to chopping block, I've accepted. I'm just trying to imply that you had your part in it as well, making our possibilities this limited. I've claimed and now you did not. If you are town and you don't want to make things public, you can still send at least 5 different players you trust the most the information. Totally possible that both team will get it, but maybe not. Your call.

With Fred it is 9 already if I'm not mistaken. So Joshua considering there's only a couple of hours left, this would be the time to say something. If you have to say something.

Please don't be mad at me for my attitude, I apologize, but that Jester tip was truly not a good one. Without claiming I'd have been wagoned already. Also I honestly don't know how a Jester works here in EB. If just an unconditional suicide-lynch, that is broken.

Actually Emmett I was cracking up a bit when you mentioned Jester, because the Fool version is actually my favorite role on mafia.gg Since it can't win with being lynched while Town wins and thus actually is an anti-town town role, being alone with no intel, it needs one of the most sophisticated plays and reads I think.

In this case I'm sorry too. And I apologize to the others as well. And I'm sick of the thought that we are being the most posted guys, just like in Pirates II. I am. I totally planned this one to be a calmed and easy-going experimental game. Yes, you Vincent, Aiden and Jean (initially Alex) gave me a very big ping, because yes, I'm a very different breed. Indeed, I play faster games where you have minutes to figure things each Days and Nights and it creates a totally different mindset in your brain. And yes, pro players - much better players than I am - take very serious rules for the Town alignment behaviors, mainly because that is the only "official" alignment until nothing else is proved. Empty padding texts are big No-No for example. Pro players are like a machines, figuring out games with 25 players and dozens of different roles, and leaving behind a lot of crypted messages for endgames. Even being a Fool, (which is a Jester here I suppose as Emmett had suggested) is a totally hard play because you have certain win conditions for that. I'm not sure if this is the case here. A clear index of EB roles should be very important for newer players at this moment. Last game's Commuter is just an example. Also what I've said about the crypted mason play is actually truly a very handful and often used. Countless of games were carried by that, making the difference in a LyLo situation. I don't want to keep putting myself to a high horse, I'm sorry about that. Maybe you are using things like that here as well. Maybe not. Jean said he is just having fun, but to me it would be like playing chess with randomly knocking over a couple of figures and relocating them just for fun. Since I take this game very seriously it is a new scientific ground for me to analyse. I even hope this slower forum one will enhance my play for the faster ones. Paul for example was a huge red glowing spot in my mind only by 3 of his posts. Maybe for others here too, I don't know. Maybe not. I had to work hard for it to make it obvious. Maybe You are one as well here Vincent, yes. Does not mean shit, I'm not a telepath. And yes, I feel the same about Aiden and Jean atm. Maybe because I have strict rules about actualy proper town play. And to be fair I've broken my own rules with my wall texts because my ping filter just went off the map by you. But I truly have to consider maybe I'm just wired for another pace. But sure, maybe there are edge cases where this Mafia 6th sense works totally off on a forum. I need more plays to make a final decision. And btw I'm not so tunnel vision as I look like. I've went after almost every player in my head and Andrew, Joshua and Justin are also on my radar. I don't think any of us would not think of anyone else just because we're focusing on players. I do respect your experience here to know that. And I do think you 3 are too coordinated with your actions. I don't like it. I feel there is no reason for it this soon, but maybe I'm just wrong. I would not dare to say certainly you 3 are the Scum, game is solved. And since we truly have to lynch and Jean asked it nicely twice now, while I feel a bit too picked upon on by him in the meantime, I'll vote on Joshua. And for the record I think the reason is pretty weak. I think we are going to lynch a town. But let's find out. If he is scum I'll have my lesson, and will humble myself, believe me. Also I've never said he can't be a scum, since we truly know almost nothing about our not active players. Since they are truly lurkers and where I come from lurking is like an instant death sentence I do not see lurker scums carrying too often. Yes, I've read almost every Mafia game here from the last 3-4 pages when I've joind to Pirates II so I know about the Star Trek case. Yes, it happens if town loses its own head and this is what I've meant previously about games mainly lost by Town. So I'm very guilty today as well. I apologize, that is truly not my playstyle. Actually on mafia.gg the pace is so fast sometimes I'm being often called as a lurker, just because I read everything very carefully. Totally possible that we're played by those lazy lurkers and I can be a partner in busting their balls from now on instead. Also yeah, I am the Town Jailer. Let's see if I die tomorrow and where I flip to. Unvote: Vincent Denis Vote: Joshua Levitt

Gosh, I accept your totally sincere and non-sarcastic apology. By the way do you have family, children? Are they proud of you, picking on other people you don't know anything about in an insulting manner instantly when they vote for daddy on the internet? Because actually I'm quite shamed of the things I've said. And if you look at Pirates II nothing similar came out of my mouth. Maybe I was just lucky I did not vote on Ethan's first poke vote.

Well Bob, who to tell it is not our play? What are the actual rules for being rude? Because if you have a problem with that, maybe you should've stopped this whole game right at that moment when Vincent made the first personal insults about my decreased brain functionality. I'm not his long known forum friend like trekkie to throw shit like that around, just because I voted for him in a Mafia game. And if he'd behaved with me in a real life mafia game I'd have teached him some manners right at the spot. And none of you others voiced any concerns about this, until I dared you to call lazy braindeads in return. Oh that was instantly hurting, isn't it? Maybe you should have told Vincent to take his pills at D1 and this wouldn't have happened in the first place. Just because someone is playing here for years should not make him any excuses. Are you actually hijacking this very forum for your own personal playground? Also Paul was just yelling me 'FUCK YOU' when I've voted twice on him in Pirates II. Was it rude or just a scum play not breaking the rules? Because he was a scum.

Your hypocrisy is pathetic. This is not a mafia game, this is a couple of guys playing with each other in a totally sanctimonious and unprofessional manner. You two should have been maybe ground already. You are the one breaking your own rules. You join into an anonimity game and fuck it up the first instant you have the chance. No, you are forum inbred jerks and honestly, new players on this platform should not bother playing around with you.

" I think Daniel is town". Sry that's what I've meant. He told all day that I'm town. No. If you are town I tell you what happened. You are a child, that's what happened. And you got personal and all emotional about one vote on you. Also yours and trekkies identitiy revealing game just fucks up the whole anonimity game. Like you guys wouldn't be so obvious too. You guys are playing like loose cannons. And you preach me about playing Mafia. Maybe you should have get out of your own ass and go to a dedicated platform just for once people would finally ground you there for having zero idea about basic, and actually helpful Town behaviour. Your crying to Aiden that you was ignoring Robert Walsh the previous game is a filthy lie as well. What are you, like bipolar? You was the one contacting me and was crying all over the place about Liam being scummy. I was the one pointing out Paul right after his first twisting scum talk. If you are Town, you are just a hasty, immature mafia player and this is exactly why you've got played at the end of Star Trek. And if you would just stopped talking about me being brain damaged, being sarcastic and personal after the first 5 posts and just get over it, we could have focused on the others already. But you are just jumping from one to another feeding from the first nonsense poke vote. Like you were not the same with your initial useless poke vote on trekkie last game. And how you preached about it being just a joke when people started to pick you. Your play is bad. Either this or you are a scum. Choose.

Because warning the other player that you are going to tell the next day that contact was made is reckless. Also it was just an attempt from me to get a read on him about the fwooming and decide whether he truly thinks me as Town. Because he was voicing itt all over D1. Clearly believing me scum is the obvious choice, but then why would've you kept repeating that I think Daniel is scum. Just a silly one for accusing me! This makes no sense to me. If I were truly Scum on a fishing mission (which would have been idiotic after I was truly accusing him) I could've just changed my mind and simply kill him because of this. I was there for information yes, but not roles. Why would he gave me any roles anyway? That is totally a blank accusation. And people jumping on this as scummy is idiotic. I was looking for incosistency. If he would have warned me that he made several copies of the discussion that would have been the real town defense. And if not defending, why warning? This sounds like a scum trying to sound Town-ish. Only that a Town would not remind his potential Scum discussion partner about this. This is a forced town-talk. That is my opinion. Also ha just shittalked about me for Aiden after this, instead of sending around multiple PM's. Because if he did take me as a Scum that's what you do. And this is why I think he is Scum. I think he knew exactly that I'm not Scum. That's why he was so carelass just to tell this about only one other person, the one who defended him. And see, we are still at each other's throat with Aiden since.

Show us the screenshots. This text can be tinkered with. Also when I asked you why you trusted Aiden you said, "you guess you was a fool because of that". But if you was a fool to trust Aiden why did you said to me in the PM that you don't trust him. Oh, are you lying in PMs as well? Or you trusted him with this, really just because he defended you? You was making contact with me last game when I've said I've trusted you. And that was not true but you jumped on it. This is how your play works? If I'm truly scum and killed you and Aiden is scum too (which you still can't know for sure) nothing would have been left of this. Don't you ever started to think maybe we two are playing you? Why are you so sure of this? Even you pointed out possible scum for scum scenarios. Why did you not sent this to others as well? This one totally does not add up. Either they are just playing us or reading each other, but that makes no sense to work together this strong all game. You haven't even considered asking real questions from each other. Are you still PM-ing at daylight? You were all voting for Justing. Then on Joshua. You were both very explicit thinking me as a Town, even talking and hinting about policy lynch but talking about me being scum in this PM discussion. One of us still has to be a Scum or you guys just running around playing mafia and PM-ing around people without any well-thought plan and well-grounded trust whatsoever. How all of it is better while your all vote game is based on the first poke vote taken?

My god, this does not prove anything about you not being a scum. Does not prove why would you have trusted him and only him. This is nothing. If Aiden just trusts you about this, because only he got the only message, this is ridiculous. Also the part that you've ignored our PM messages last game dear Ethan is a fucking lie. We three worked out togethet with Liam to get Paul finally. Who was scum. Who was pointed out by me first. While you were chasing Ansel. You were twisting even in this PM message.

Enough to have text already to be delete right now? What is to be deleted if it is no roleclaim? Also he was warning me, a potential scum. If I kill him and his trusted PM partner does not reveal the message there is no trace of it. Please read it again from page7 Peter. Everything is crystal clear now.