Daniel Lucas

/* Sorry, Alex did not vote on me. It was Fred, but he voted on Joshua.

That is plausible, however votes were piling on Joshua in the meantime all the same. This is why I've reminded you guys, that he had already 2 votes by the time I got the first on me. But if what you say is true, it is also information and a scenario we should think about: Joshua may have been left alone to defend himself and he only wanted to save himself by quickly voting for me too, seeing the opportunity after your 4th vote. At this moment everything seems fine for the Scum. Joshua the scum buddy got some heat but Daniel has more. Now what would the Scum have done in this situation? Let it play out and hope Daniel will be thrown under the bus? I claimed instantly after Joshua's vote so putting more votes on me would've been risky. Let's see the final votecount again: Jean was the first, he had some intel I think. Andrew was kind of poked into voting for Joshua. No danger for a scum to vote this early for another scum, also he wanted to show his neutralitiy towards him. Hard to tell. Vincent copied Jean's reason imho. Aiden votes, saying he is still interested in the Andrew-Joshua link. A bit of parroting Jean."I don't see any disadvantages, I just don't see the advantages." Peter comes in in the middle of our fight with Aiden and Vincent. He points out the vote on Joshua is stalling and he wants more momentum on it. The climax of the heated Daniel-Vincent-Jean fight, we apologize and Jean quickly asks me again to vote on Joshua. I say I think Joshua is town but I go with it. Unvote Vincent, vote Joshua. Emmett unvotes Daniel, votes Joshua, saying he has no better alternatives. Not that it matter at this point. Justin unvotes Vincent, saying lynching is extremely helpful. This stinks a bit, because Vincent was not even close being lynched. Fred unvotes Daniel, votes Joshua, "since we need a lync". Quite straightforward, the guy does not give a shite, just lets lynch. Still a redundant vote. Trenton unvoted Daniel around point 3, Robin unvotes Daniel after point 5, they do not vote on Joshua. Alex and Fabien are under the radar, not voting for Joshua. The question is again, what would the scum have done if not already voting on me and seeing Joshua - the scummo - take the lead? My analysis: Andrew can be scum trying to prove himself very early. While openly being in agreement with me and unvoting Joshua at the end would have seemed suspicious. He claims blocker with an alias Vanillaiser. Sounds true, but meh. Vincent and Aiden had thousands of opportunities to vote one me. Still they were sure of my alignment while still busting my balls. If I'm right about them playing together, they could've sacrifice Joshua in a safe position. Far-fetched or a master plan. Peter's reason as scum would have been the same, to paint himself Town. A risky play for scum, I had 4 votes too. Could have tried to push on me, maybe not, I was claimed jailer. If I'm scum, Joshua voted on me to save himself for the cost of an other scum. Why not helping my case against Aiden or Vincent instead and build a wagon on someone who is not us? Far-fetched and needs a lot of twisty coordination but plausible. (Also not true). I voiced my theory about Emmett being the scum. He claimed, and there is no information yet which would prove him wrong. But Tracker can be Scum too. Justin can easily be a scum hammering it, realizing it is already lost. Fred is late with a redundant vote. A bit weak play to do as a scum at this point, also he claimed and was consistent about it. But Roleblocker can be Scum too. No words from Fabien, his last comment was about the Daniel-Vincent debate getting out of control. Trenton, Robin, Alex nothing. All three of them voted for me. Almost too obvious scum positions. Almost.

I don't see myself defending him. Every time I felt something off about him I voiced that. As I said I unvoted him because the whole case felt weak. There is nothing more to the story with Justin and me. You just told me no one voiced concerns except me, and you claim like you'd get a serious pressure all the same. It suggests you do understand that my perspective was truly not that weak. Honestly you saying that sounded a bit scummy, I mean the talk about claiming when the time comes. Anyway I'm glad you helped me out without that. Also: Who did you track N1? Clearly you are going for Justin at the moment and you voiced suspicions about Alex's claim. But do you agree with my theory about a possible scum within the voters on me? Or you think we should discard that idea. That's fine too, but that would only mean you think the scum are on the other side, who did not vote for me. And for the record: me being honest about jailing Robin is still not something to be taken as granted. But you did point that out too, I give you that. Unvote: Emmett Ware

Are you giving ideas to the scum now? Or do you want to sound like the oracle who foretold that? Also how would the killer know they are not getting the block anyway, bringing the suspicion on them?

But Robin already made a protector claim. There is no need to include a protector in the game if the killer is a strongman as well. Of course we would need to believe Robin for this. Half of this text is totally redundant. You should be aware of the very players who play this game, yes. This is a lazy excuse, not to mention you was voting for me for the same reason, thus tilting the balance on me, in favor of Joshua. Which Joshua followed just as quickly. And again, you were hesitant to unvote me because of my claim. You threw in quickly a Jester idea, only to justify your vote on me. A vote you was not even verbose about, explaining whether I am scum or the town needed to be policy-lynched. Just as everybody before you. If I'd flip town you would just all defended yourself as policy lynchers. Your whole behavior just helped Joshua to avoid the firing squad until it was ineviteble. THEN, when it became clear, you finally unvoted me to vote on him. I don't see this as a vague reason, it is pretty serious. I'm very confident the scum wanted to help him in some way and yours is the most noticeable. But again, there is Robin with his first lackluster vote. There is Trenton parroting that. There is Fred, claiming conveniently roleblocker and he flipped all his votes without serious reason but only for wagoning, he did not unvote me as well, only implied on a false assumption that he'd believe me if Alex confirms. Also the whole "Daniel is unhelpful" phrase was used by Aiden D1 who did not vote for it D2, but kept busting my balls. Only he jumped on Joshua instead of me, which was clearly a nail in his coffin. And there is you again, who was said I'm his main suspect even at the end of D2. I'd be very delighted to hear you making some stand why am I still not the one. Am I not, because you just wanted to sound consistent right after we lynched Joshua, but now you clearly don't see any use in it now?

I don't like this one too much from you, Justin. You are trying to agree too much or you are trying to hard to seemingly understand another perspective. I myself would never vote for you because of this one and I think you shouldn't either. I don't see how your poke vote + last vote on a later to be revealed scum would instantly suggest you are the other scum. I mean it is perfectly possible, but it is just forcing a narrative into something, which already needs you as a scum for basis. I think everyone's actions who voted on Joshua could be cherrypicked only by their votes on him. You again missed something. Emmett has a vote on me, he took it just before Joshua took the last one one me too. Also did not unvote me until it was clear the heat went over to Joshua again, so I think he wanted to help Joshua until it was clear we are going to lynch him. At that point no need to "protect him anymore". This is my theory anyway. Again this is all based on that someone from Robin, Fred, Trenton and Emmett had to be a scum buddy of Joshua. I see you are voting for Robin. I may understand that, Robin's arguments are off. I'm just not sure we can truly risk to lynch a claimed protector. But more pressure on him is nice. Also Emmett's comment on Trenton was totally off, because he contributed the same as Robin until the end of D2. This does not mean I don't want to hear Trenton's opinion now. He went under again.

Exactly this. Only it wasn't him.

Happy to be at your service dear Aiden. Vincent just started to miss you. I think most of us agree that Alex is shady AF. Also I talk just enough about one of Robin, Fred, Trenton and Emmett is a potential scum. Justin is getting some focus with a couple of votes as well, I'm sure you've noticed. Vincent is being Vincent, I'd like him being hanged but just started to think he might be actually Town. Fabien and Peter are in a very convenient position on their vote on Justin without really being pressured whatsoever. I am completely in agreement that some questions should be made addressed to them as well. I've already done so with Fabien. Only Peter remains. And this is the whole party. So which scum is not getting the attention because of my main attraction in your opinion? You? * Oh and yes, the cheeky Andrew. I almost forgot. The blocker with an idiotic name. He is the one?

Dear god, thanks for being specific. You guys are really the champions of arguments. But "Facts are facts and no need for debate". This is your defense, really? Trying to discredit me again? What else should I say about Alex? I've voiced my opinion. What do you expect of me to do, vote him? You guys are all going for Justin now. What are you trying to achieve, poke people to help you out on Justin? I helped, he responded. I figured he can be a scum naturally but I just don't have any read on him that would be better than I'm having on you. Go for it, I don't have any useful intel on him. I'm eager to see his further defense. Fabien just said he needs no claim from him to change his mind, because he is already sure he is the best suspect and needs to be lynched. Fine. Lynch him. If scum, yay. If not, you can explain why not taking more attention about the bandwagon on me. How am I being concerned about myself? What is that even supposed to mean? I'm being open and consistent about my theory of the 4 players because either you say none of them was scum and Joshua tried to help himself by building another wagon alone - while no scum helped him whatsoever - or give me a better name. None of you have disagreed that some scum might helped out Joshua to turn the tide. Also we are not going to get such a small scope for a potential scum again. I gave my conclusions why you are the most suspicious. I voiced my concerns about Robin too, which Vincent pointed out as well. He claimed. Fred too. I can also just repeat that, scum had no reason to stop pushing me, but Trenton did and you did not. Facts are facts. No need for debate.

Also I've just checked and this was the vote count before Emmett and Joshua jumped on my wagon: Vincent took the last vote here on Joshua, making him having the same amount of votes as I do. Three posts later came Emmett with the quick and same reason to vote on me. Calling my unhelpful. But if I was the unhelpful, it clearly meant Vincent and Jean should have been the helpful one. Why did you not listen to them in this case? There were already 3 votes on a scum Joshua, so clearly you could've read their arguments as well. How did you miss that being so focused on me? Also Joshua already had 2 votes when Robin started giving the first vote on me. Considering what Vincent has just pointed out about Robin as well, I would not even be surprised if two other scum besides Joshua would've started the wagon on me and not one.

You was replying to me when I've quoted Robin and Trenton. Also you said: It's hard to argue with their claim that you're not helping. Robin was one of them and you just pointed out that you remember having the same take: Robin was nothing more of an active player than Trenton. I just totally can't believe you would not remember Trenton voicing the same with an actual vote. Also do you want to say you are not bothered now by lurking? You were not, while I was dominating the chat. There is the quote. Again, I'm still very active. No need to talk about Vincent's part in it now, because you had no problem with Vincent before. So it was obviously just me you had a problem with and not Vincent. Again, I'm still the most active one, I still dominating the thread. Also here is Trenton's vote on me: How would you ever miss this? You practically parroted him. Just as Joshua parroted Fred. He instantly jumped on me after your vote. Also Trenton unvoted me instantly after my claim. This was not helpful for Joshua's case. I don't see him being the scum, also considering you was the one parroting his reasons to vote on me. Fred and Robin claimed town and unless you guys have any more information then I do, I can't say they were the scum. You was the only one who did not even considered not voting for me after my claim. Which means me claiming jailer did not convince you. But you are not voting for me now, even as I'm still dominating the chat. This would still suggest you still must find me more unhelpful than the lurkers. But here you talk about the inactive players not getting focus instead of the active ones. This is the complete opposite of the reason you were voting on me for. Yes, I think you are the scum who helped build Joshua the bandwagon on me. And since it has failed you are not voicing the same issues about me, even as you have the same reason to do so if you were telling the truth back then.

I'm reluctant to belive you on this. You just said your take was the same as Robin's. True. But you say you don't know anything about Trentont. But here is you referencing my quote on them: You meant Robin's and Trenton's "Daniel is unhelpful" vote by this. You also clearly voiced you are less bothered by their lurking. Now you seem to be bothered by their lurking. And you voiced the same it isn't helpful vote. I am still kind of dominating a chat. So nothing really changed. This means the only reason lurking was not a problem is to give a reason vote on me. This was instantly followed by the Joshua vote. Now Joshua was not leading as a lynch candidate, good for him. But I claimed jailer. Joshua, the scum, is dead. Now their lurking is instanlty voiced by you and now you don't even seem to remember who Trenton is. Sorry guys, I now I flipped back from Justin. Yes. I don't have any read on him. Go lynch him, let him speak for himself, but this one I can't ignore. Vote. Emmett Ware

Assuming I am Town. So you did see that I it is highly unlikely I'm going after Vincent as scum this hard. Or even let other scum buddies killing him since yes, I'd have got all the heat. But why not trusting me this case? You even unvoted me. Of course now we see that Jean was targeted not Vincent. Honestly you have more reason to think me as scum today than you had yesterday, because I was openly reluctant on voting on Joshua, even after he voted on me, and he flipped scum. Also without your initial, not very exhaustive vote one me started a bandwagon. Fine, you had no knowledge it is going to be a bandwagon, but it had became one. And you got the claim and you unvoted. Yet still no attempt to contact me and to try figure things out. So yes, I think you either are in a total safe zone with your protector claim and you are playing us or you missed a proper read on me yesterday. So his answers were truly not enough. Yes, Justin you need to claim or you'll get lynched, it is obvious. Fabien warns us not to rolefish yet does not reply anything to Justin's answers, which means he has either a better read or information on him, or he is the one actually fishing for his claim. See, this is why I find rolefish accusations tedious at this moment. All this game is about is information fishing. Also Robin, if Justin claims too you unvote him as well? Mass claiming is your idea if I'm correct, right?

Also what is the current day strategy? There are 4 votes on Justin. I just unvoted him because I thought we don't have a strong enough case after his response and I don't like a lazy bandwagon on him. Clearly there is nothing more to decice until his answers are bing ignored. He even answered my question about the PM issue. Can be a scum defense? Yes, but there is no way to decide. I've give you guys a strategy and most of you guys give a positive feedback about it, accepting that one scum must be either Robin, Fred, Trenton or Emmett. Yet four of you still going for Justin. One of them is Emmett, okay that is understandable, he won't just vote on himself. But he did not ask about the other three as for now, he pointed out validly his points about Alex. Are you expecting Justin to say anything else? Are you not the one pushing for a roleclaim at this point? Clearly at 6-7 votes Justin will be forced too. Also I had to stop the wagon on myself with claiming too. Was it not the same fishing, considering we had one confirmed scum on the wagon? Why are you voting on Justin if not for fishing for a claim? You said yourself that you think my theory is true. But Justin seems still a bit more scummier all the same. Why?

O-kay. I can only tell you this. No I do not want to spread chaos. I was doing reads very actively and harhsly, just as I did on Pirates II. I had a good read there on Paul, maybe I'm totally off now. I did not want to get personal with anybody until I've felt they start to get personal with me on the other hand only because of in-game mafia accusations I've made. When someone gets a bit personal that is just feeding my hunch. Also I took Joshua as town and his vote on me triggered me quite hard. I've apologized for that many times now. Clearly it was not a lazy vote but a calculated wagon building from a scum. I did not reach out to you, because you was lurking. You did not say too much, you made a soft detective-claim, saying you did not see anything at N1. I jailed you because I thought you are going to be targeted because of that. Also was curious if we'd get a kill by blocking you as well. We did, which means you are not the scum killer at least. One more question: why would Vincent be targeted? You said you wanted to protect him because you did not trust me. Do you think I'd call him scum all day, PM him at night, call him scum again all day and when he is not getting lynched I get him killed? If I would be scum and I would know Vincent is going to flip town, would I really go after him this hard? Either you are not thinking this through or you are giving me a theory that does not add up. Also what was your plan now with your claim? It is obvious we can't risk lynching you, which would be a totally safe zone for a scum act now. Who is fishing for claims? That is simply not true Fabien. Asking the lurkers to contribute is not the same to ask them to do a totally unnecessary town claim. This "fishing" idea is getting really redundant and tiresome. I myself ask for contribution. I think Robin's claim is just totally bonkers and I just don't see him surviving this unless it is a scum act we won't be able to figure out anytime soon.

What? That is bad. A BIT more I've been expecting to hear. I can't figure you out Robin. Here is what I want to know. If you are knight, who did you protect N1 and who did you want to protect N2? Because this would mean we have 2 blockers, 1 jailer with a block-protection and one protector, all as town claims. And we did not manage to save one single soul for 2 nights now. Can be true, because Fred and Andrew kept blocking each other. I jailed you once, you confirmed it. I jailed a claimed Vanilla before. While Remi and Jean were the kill targets. Do you want to get out of this game? Because you just made yourself Scum Target No. 1. About your vote on me: Did you really vote on me for me being annoying? Annoying as Town or Scum? Because you did not contact me N2 which would indicate you don't trust me. But why did you unvote me after my claim then?

I will comment. It seems Alex did violate a game rule indeed. He gave a bit tedious logical reasoning for why he's truly a vanilla. Of course there were already some implications that we just auto-lynch vanilla claims. But still claiming as one will not prove otherwise for now. If more vanilla claims would surface, I'd be a bit more concessive about it. Also he is lurking since the beginning. Just as Robin. Yes I'm with you on this Emmett. I'd love to hear about them. We can't make the luxury of ignoring them at this point.

This case I will do my part as well and unvote you. However Peter did vote you in the meantime, so the numbers do not change on you. That is an interesting take from him, since you really answered in a very long post, while he said he is waiting for your take on the accusation. Here is my take: If you are scum, some of the voters on you know something which I clearly don't. If you are Town that means my hunch about Vincent protecting Emmett explicitly from the 4 players I'm always bringing up, is true. Either way they have to know something. To be honest I did not even want to vote on Joshua, I only did because Jean asked me twice very nicely while he was picking on me all the time. This made me having a gut feeling about his all day game. I knew if Joshua would flip Town they've would get a lot of heat, so I did not see why would they just go this hard to get one townie killed. I feel the same now with Vincent. I wanted to help him out if hi is truly a town with some knowledge and make pressure on you. Your answer gives me hope you are Town. I'd be interested to see Vincent's resposne to your answers. I see Emmett already posted but did not ask you anything. Which means he alread made up his mind about you and don't cares. It seems he just likes the wagon growing and that is enough for him. I don't know where to put this. About the vanillaizer role: From me it seemed clear at the first moment that it is just an other name for blocker. Bob had done the same with jailer and commuter before. Andrew can be scum too, but this won't be the reason in my opinion. I see the same chance of him being the scim blocker as I see for Fred. And all the others should see the same for all three of us. Only inconsistency can prove us wrong or a new information. At this point I'd love to hear from Robin. Unvote: Justin Reynaud

Actually I meant my last sentence as a reminder. In case I'm killed you'd have been able to read my observations again. But it does not matter now since Joshua flipped scum. I think you missed a couple of things about this. Actually they all voted for me before my role claim. I claimed after Joshua's vote, because I took him as a solid town, and I just had to call BS on this whole wagon thing right after. Also let me quote my conclusion about this: Also I wouldn't say I work together with Fred. Or more like I would not say there's too much to work together for now. He claimed and we've made a short conclusion about our best options. He did not unvote me instantly, but he gave his reasons for it. He made a redundant vote on Joshua. This could all mean a lot of things. If I want to be fair, he was consistent so far considering his actions and his PM. He can still be a scum roleblocker as I can be too. I'm not sure why he claimed though. Could easily be a buddy up act. I think our best option now is to make a discussion together. If it feels like I'm pushing too hard on my vote analysis, you are not mistaken. I am. I do think our best option is to take a closer look at this 4 players. Also there is Vincent, Emmett and Fabien about you and I'm still voting for you. But if you'd consider not voting for Vincent now (as I truly think that would be a waste of time this day, as I've pointed it out in our PM) I would remove my vote from you. At least this is my proposition, because I won't vote for Vincent. He knows something and I have a feeling he might have some useful PR. Fabien agreed that my assumption is possibly correct, even Vincent agreed to this, only he suggested Robin. My take is either Robin or Emmett. But honestly I'd like to hear from all 4 players about this issue. Fred and Trenton too.

Hmm, clearly it is just getting a bit redundant to overanalyse each other's text at this point. I had my part in this, I admit. But that was D1 and D2. We have now a couple of claims and a good lead with Joshua being scum. Vincent discarded my theory about Emmett being the scum from the 4 dudes voting for me besides Joshua. His reasons seemed to be a bit off, something very similar I've felt before. Maybe they know something about each other we don't. Maybe a scum thing, maybe something similar Jean knew about Joshua. Maybe my reads are the one being a bit off. Fabien and me joined on this vote for curiosity I think. You are either lying about your minor role, or there is no reason to reveal it, because it'd make it obsolete. Fine. How the f*** would I know, honestly. I am a jailer and all I get know is intel being shared by others. At least your voting behaviour is consistent about Vincent, which gives me hope you are not scum. For what it's worth, you are still going after him, while I did not give you enough reason to believe that I'll support you on this again. I'm not convinced in either directions now. I still don't understand why you thought Justin, that there is nothing to discuss with me. My answer was quite straightforward. Would you care to explain please what were your thoughts exactly about my PM answer? Also what is your take on my theory, about a scum being either Robin, Fred, Trenton or Emmett? While you did not answer me privately we can still discuss this in public.

Let me translate that for you. Alex: I'm vanilla. Bye.

Let meg guess, it was the ever wise Effhan Dunn. Also fair point, I really skipped that, thanks.

You were voting for me on page 2. Now you want to justificate this of me being toxic all D2? It was 12 pages long. Also why did you unvote me? Let's see. You suddenly realized a lynch would benefit the scum? How? Why voting for me at the first place then? Also you were jailed last night. Do you want to say anything about that?

I agree with you here Vincent. I think Robin was too neutral all game and his vote/unvote on Michael and his vote/unvote on me is questionable and unclear. Since I'm truly trying to help town, I will go with our suspicion on Justin. I am okay to put some pressure on him and see what he's got to say. With not forgeting the 4 players who voted on me besides Joshua: Unvote: Emmett Ware Vote: Justin Reynaud

For my defense, we're both doing the same. You are posting just as fast as I do. We're both ninja posting each other. Let's just call it even and get over it together, okay? Also you don't seem to like the idea that other scum voted on me. Fine. I'm not sure me playing faster mafia games would really do anything about this, but maybe. Hard to tell. I understand you lean on Town with Emmett. I'm not 100% sure on Emmett either, I've just took a vote. Also I mentioned Robin in my analysis many times, naturally. That's why you mentioned him too, not? Again the guys who voted on me: Robin, Fred, Trenton, Emmett, Joshua. Joshua was another potential wagon in the meantime and he flipped scum. This suggest me that Scum was building my wagon to save Joshua. I have the assumption that Joshua was not the only scum voting for me. I'm not saying who was it, but after this I've just made some conclusions. Robin was jailed by me. Fred claimed roleblocker. Trenton did unvote me instantly, which reduced the wagon momentum on me. This was not helping Joshua. Trenton and Robin did not vote on Joshua. Emmett and Fred unvoted me just after Joshua was practically the main lynch candidate. Emmett was 7th, Fred was 9th vote. Also there is Justing for the 8th, hammer vote. Who is a bit suspicious with his PM. That's where I am.