Daniel Lucas

Again empty memeposts to push the thread away from my arguments. Classic, everything is oldschool classic scum play. Just for your information town and I'll be really out of this game until the clock hits: Since Vincent't already tried to fish for it and called it out directly on D1 with the 4th wall breaking shit talk, and if it was not obvious already because of my native language not being english: I was the Trumpeter of the previous game, yes. And I was behaving the very same way, and it was me who pinpointed Paul as a suspect D1 page 3 only by three posts he made. And surprise surprise he was indeed a motherf*cking SCUM. If Reginald would've not played around acting like a total scum like a newbie Town player would (considering he asked about the meaning of WIFOM afterwards suggests he was truly a beginner, so I'm kind of sorry for that), we could've have pinned Paul on the very first day. And needed zero night actions for that, duh. The scum will reveal itself with its totally recognizable twist talk almost every time, so Town's only job is to stay concise and READ. Most of the Scum win games are actually not a win by the Scum but a total lose by the Town not doing its job. This is a general symptom of other mafia platform games as well. Considering that these schmucks were main Town players and they had absolutely no problem with my playing style back then, just confirms me even more. You guys are obvious. Your only advantage that you can coordinate your lousy labeling campaign together, while Paul was alone. And considering that we might truly have some newbie Town players it works very well. It shouldn't. Again, with better games one you guys whould've been nailed by now. Also it is a bit unfair, because I think Bob just put the more experienced and active players as scum not to get the same results with Pirates II. It can easily mean you guys are trolling the shit out of newer players with your own inbred eurobricks meta. Which I found personally totally dated, but I'm on a my high horse, yes. It has some interesting parts, I just think you were playing too much with yourselves. Also you've started it, so you how do you like my 4th wall breaking meta game, you Scum? >facepalmtrekkie.jpg

I'm not sure. This is what I feel. You want my reasons? Everything they've said is concise, while I don't think the same of other people. As I've pointed out at the end of the day, if you and Aiden would've wanted me on them, you should've stopped poking around with 4th wall breakings and redundant chit-chat meme posts when I only asked you for clear arguments and not personal oneliners and picky remarks. I posted that video to show you how phatetic and toxic is what you were doing. Jean just confessed giving a shit about that, but finding me - the one who plays the game - more annoying. This is again classic empty scum talk. If you find people trying to make actual statements annoying, don't play a mafia game. I asked truly honestly you to stop fwooming for this reason, because by now those lines together are already taking a serious proportion of all the pages we've made so far and it would've been made even your posts more easier to read, if that would've been truly your intention. This is a text based game and considering that experienced players doing it, we all now why obviously it is a useless voice. In my experience with this game on this and other platforms, that is an intentional scum tool dedicated exactly to this function. I say this, you say otherwise. End of story. Why am I not surprised, honestly. Even now as we've managed to made some really useful discussion, and both of us were correct with the other one, you instantly just go to meme again with the first person that jumps on me, suggesting he is right and Daniel is just a silly-sausage lad. You guys just really don't want me to stop taking you as scum. You perfectly fine with it. This is how I ended up having the most posts. This is all coordinated in my opinion and Aiden, Vincent. You had the perfect moment now to finally make amends with me after my role claim. You say you have suspicion of Andrew, Josuha but you are still spending more time picking on me. Really there's nothing to say more. Everything is pretty much documented and it only takes now some time to read and decide who are we lynching today. I'm done for D2.

Talking of high horse. Welcome to the club.

How are you being helpful with this? What is your conclusion, I'm not sure I understand. I gave you a correct answer and now you just selectively made some cynical post. This is the very same thing which kept feeding my hunch against Aiden. Yes, it was obvious in your opinion. Now what? I was being unhelpful? Was it 100% obvious for anybody else? Should we just not analyse night actions because you"ll shout "NO SHIT"? I know of your conlusion of Josuha, and honestly I don't like it. Why? I don't see why Andrew not voting second for Joshua in a poke vote would make them buddies. Why would you make any poke vote in the first place if you are going to avoid your buddy? Might be true, but for a D2 vote this is not enough for me. In my opinion we already have much better scumtells in our hands. Also I think you should first vote on Andrew because of this, not Joshua. The fact that Vincent was calling Andrew the dangerous scum, but both of you now voting for Joshua together gives me a hunch against you two. I did not like Vincent's reason as well on Joshua today, because it was feeding from the same observation. Yes, I'm defending Joshua, you don't have to accuse me of that. From all of you at the moment, Andrew, Justin and Joshua are town in my opinion. I also think Fred might be town and while I was rude to him for the reasons mentioned above, I think he was not trying to twist things around at least. And since you just said you were thinking without running your mouth against spam memeposting in a mafia game, but you are just always running your mouth against me tells me you are totally and selectively onto me since I've accused Vincent. And the fact you jumped on my observation on Vincent's PM warning, mixing up the totally important different I've pointed out (which is still a scum tell in my opinion), also for some reason did not reply to my explanation to that, just tells me you were also trying to push the thread away from that. If that was not a scum tell for you, but Andrew's second poke vote not going to Josuha is just to create a wagon, I don't know why would I listen to you. If I'm not voting for Aiden, I would vote for you at the moment. So which one should it be?

Okay Jean. I honestly think you are using double standards here. Tell me if I am wrong, but let me say why: Fred and Emmett just proved they are just called my unhelpful out of nowehere whily saying totally illogical things. Even Trenton and Aiden pointed them out. They don't know this game or pretending. But if they're town they are on the high horse by joining a mafia game, staying in the background while everybody has all the ability to read everything and comment any time they want, and all they do is throwing around votes. Emmett even told me dircetly, "there is no need for debate". When a self-proclaimed town says there is no need for debate, THAT is the high horse. How is it nobody calls upon him after sayin such a thing? Even if I would be confirmed traitor, this is just scum talk. Also Jean, where were you yestereday when I've got the same talk from Vincent and Aiden. Where were you? Honestly. Where? I had to defend myself alone because I dared to accuse them and they hijacekd almost a whole page with memeposting. Where were you all objectivity judges, when it happened? None of you came to help me make it stop. None of you voiced it might be a scum tactic. Like this would be not a mafia game with experienced players but some random off-topic thread. They were dilutin my argument posts with videos and meme pictures, and people calling me the unhelpful. If you are town, you are playing against yourself at the moment. That is my honest opinion, Jean. And I am perfectly capable of not using any insults if Town would just finally start playing the game they joined to. I have a suggestion, I'm still voting for Aiden. He made very valid point right now, and we had finally a good discussion I think. Also both of have proved that we can be reasonable and this just bugs me. I don't know why would Aiden just throw around cynical posts if not to dilute again when something actually useful for town was said. This is my scumtells at the moment. If Aiden would just forgive me that I'm accusing him and we can continue to make discussions like this, I will change my vote on him. Also you are intentionally or not, but misinterpreting what I've said about Alex. Stating what obvious, no one clarified it out loud? Don't you think you are using double standards again? People were calling me unhelpful, but when I clarify something concisely it becomes redundantly obvious? Why do we have any discussion at all then? I've said what I've said, I had a suspicion of Alex, he was jailed and this changes my opinion on him as likely Town. But it is not sure and I think I have the right to point out this, don't you think? You are mixing terms up. With killer, I mean Scum killer. I don't call vigilante a killer. Yes it can kill, but we always use vigilante, since scum killer has no anything else as a specific name. It was not right sayin Aiden was wrong technically, it is true. Alex can be a vigilante. I've meant that Aiden uses this with a wrong suggestion, sorry for my bad english about that. If I jailed a vigilante Alex I think it does not matter. If you say the vigilante killed Remi, I say that it should mean that Alex was quite likely a scum killer, because without a successful protective action there would've been two kills.

Hmm, That is half-true. Knowing Bob I'd say there are no vanillas again, but fair enough, there is the possibility. It's fucked up, because if Alex would say he won't say anything, my gut would shut scum to him. But okay, it is a valid point. This case you have to think it through yourself what you do today with this information. No, I think you are wrong here. Unless someone ELSE is a vig. Since we got a kill today. This case Alex is probably scum. But also, he can be a vig himself for sure. but I think it does not matter in this situation now.

I can confirm that this is not the case. I'm not protecting from night actions, only the kill. You are right, yes. We should stop thinking of doing that nonsense, also there is no need for it because of my answer above. Again you all can't possible be scum, so if Fred and Emmett are town, I'm desperate. I know I'm an ass, but I am right here. They should start utilizing their alignment properly. And to show Town why am I actually constantly being helpful, let me do the work alone AGAIN: Alex being succesfully jailed means he is no killer. He still can be scum, but considering there is possibly just a single killer with the Scum it was surely not Alex, as we all know, Remi was killed. Unless some other scum got some one-shot kill ticket (if he is actually a scum), he is not the other one. I'm not implying that he is another type of scum by this. We don't know, I jailed him because as I've pointed out yesterday he was scummy to me with that contradictional noob-experienced act. Also a lurker and I just hate these big mouthed lurkers. If not being a Town, I'd gladly lynch all of them just to end this nonsense. What we know is that we actually don't know for sure. Yesterday I would have been okay with an Alex lynch as I've said so, today with this new information, I'd say no. I had possibly a 3/15 probability (since no recruits, we have 3 scums, right?) to hit a scum and 12/15 for a Town. Since we knew it wasn't the killer that changes to a (3/15 * 2/3) probability of Alex being a scum. With possible one-shot kills, this whole calculation is being distorted and I can't really do it in head right now but it is highly unlikely that it would happen the same night. And the result would still imply the same. So yes, my read from this is that Alex is quite possibly Town. Is it a proof? No. Can he be still scum? Yes. Is he a good vote for today? No. Also since some people can't stop throwing around nonsense deductions, I actually say @Alex Howe now should confirm he was blocked. If he says he was not, you lynch me. If I flip town, you might finally start to realize between two j*rkoffs, that I was talking sense. And then you can lynch Alex for lying. Also if he says yes, you might try to think twice about taking any risk and using actually valid arguments for my potential lynching.

Also if I'm a Jester, actually Alex can prove you wrong. Because if he confirms he was blocked, the worst case scenario - again, as I've pointed out to Fred - I'm a scum roleblocker. Go learn the game mechanics, please. If you are town, you are the unhelpful having no idea what is going on.

Why would I be a Jester when I was ALREADY the most voted on? Are you real? This is exactly what I was furious about. All this talk makes total nonsense from a Town. This is why I said town is braindead. You don't even know your own game. After your little pep talk about how you acted when you was an actual scum (oh please, is that so?) and the complete unspecific mess you just threw in by saying there is no need for any debate IS NOT HOW TOWN PLAYS. I did not help town? Are you nuts? You asked me about my PM to Vincent. I answered. And you gave F*CKING NO RESPONSE to my answers. Why? Did I just convinced you that actually that made a little sense? Or did I not convince you? Why not saying anything then? Why not pointing out with the actual arguments I've made that I was unhelpful? Where have you disappeared to just vote for me out of the blue with a total generic, unspecific parrot talk, some totally potential scum was already throwing around? The sentence you've just quoted is perfectly true. What Fred said is NOT a good reason to believe me. That is not a proof, that's it. Take any risk you want, but what I've said is a FACT. If he is going to believe me that because of this it is his own business, but as an actual Town I have to point out that it is wrong. You see, this is I am actually the helpful here. And as Vincent points it out, Fred even now gives a bit messy now: Up to this point I thought Fred talks about my target confirming he was blocked, Fred even said there is no need to reveal his role. Why would he need to somehow confirmed he was been unsuccessfully targeted by a killer? Since I did not protect him from night actions. I'm being one of the most helpful one if you would just start to actually read the lines. And if you are town, you are not paying attention. Stop crying about the texts I've made that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen from a Town. That is ALL information. I was the only one keep saying and asking people to read it. The only one.

Hmm, actually you are right. I was stalling, I needed some time to think it through myself, but your and Trenton's points are true. My target was Alex Howe, he was jailed successfully.

I think there is no reason for a scum to counterclaim. Maybe if they could stay with some logical excuses after the claimed one flips town. But I can't really think of anything viable if not at the end as you say.

So you want me to prove myself, ask me how I'm thinking about my options and when I do elaborate my opinion, you jump on this like "AHA! He is role fishing!". I don't have to prove anything after I've just roleclaimed especially not for you, MR POLICY LYNCHER. Roleclaim -> counterclaim, that's how it works.

Aiden this is a very weak argument, honestly. Are you trying to say or imply anything? Do you think that I lie? Prove it. Maybe even vote finally? I don't have to prove anything since there is no way to do so. I've claimed, so it is on the rest of the Town to decide.

It was not sarcasm. Well almost not, I truly meant Vincent has an itch for that. If I'm lying I don't need to reveal anything to let the real jailer to counterclaim me. If there is no counterclaim in a reasonable time I will reveal my target naturally. I see no better way to prove or for the others to accept, but I'm all ears.

Don't worry mate, I meant Town. True, I can reveal my target if I choose to do so. But until then I have my claim and if no one comes to claim otherwise I think we should just accept that I'm truly an annoying townie jailer. Also careful with those assumptions about other members' role. You don't want Vincent to catch you on rolefishing.

Oh sorry, you came back throwing shit around again so where are you know? Did not find more angles to twist contexts? The fact that you've made no questions about my roleclaim just confirms you as scum even more. You clearly don't give a shit about it, since you know for a fact that I'm town. Just had your quick reinterpretation of my reply to Fred and that's it, job done. Also yes, you were right: I'm an ass. But you are a traitor scum.

Oh, you lousy Spock. Even your playstyle is recognizably different when you are actually town.

Are you going to vote finally or just talk all over the place with your scattered multiposts? To make your job easier: I think Andrew is town. Also you were about to policy lynch me. Just to help you not forgetting that

I want you to use your brain if you are town, FFS. I've said town is braindead because you can't be all scum who voted for me (even considering that possibly no scum has voted for me yet), and you still going after the most obvious scum tactics. Do I really have to f**** explain why a Jailer claim is not defendable that way? You won't get proof by that. Either someone comes to counterclaim and we'll play it out or you are going to believe that Town has a jailer and only one. It is your call now whether you take the risk of losing me. @Jean Pelley To give you an answer Jean, yes I am obviously able to reveal who my target was. Also I've considered voting for Joshua and I won't vote for him, because right now I think he is no scum.

Perfect example why Town is braindead. Why would you believe me because of this? How would you know I'm not a scum Roleblocker? You are either scum at this point or you don't even know your own game. This is how I ended up being THE unhelpful. My God.

Unlike you, you lurking sanctimonious schmuck. What was your contribution so far, please show me.

Town. is. braindead. You guys are the most lazy f*cks ever played a mafia game. Your whole argument about me being unhelpful is an unspecific pile of SHITTY mess. Not ONCE had you quoted anything and proved me wrong with actual facts. And you preach about lurking and hurting Town. If you'd just stopped holding to your d*cks for 20 minutes, and read all again and maybe, just maybe realize how many times these obviously twisting, fwooming, memeposting, multiposting, 4th wall breaking, videoposting dudes have lied we've could already lynched one of them, and you'd have finally stopped wondering why this moron Daniel makes so many posts about them. Maybe if you'd read, we wouldn't have to wait for D5 until you figure it out yourself. Their whole style is 1000% pure scum talk. You still keep thinkging about "Ohh Daniel did a PM to his suspect! Surely just wanted to ROLEFISH after making it the most obvious thing he is after him. So scum! Policy Lynch!". Are you even using any tools as a town besides your freaking role actions? Have you ever tried to make a scumtrap for a suspect on your own? I've caught upon their lies like half a dozen times now and you totally went past it, because you can't even participate in your own game. Also fine, I'm tired of pointing out constantly these ridiculously obvious anti-town posts and since you're so convenient putting me away instead of doing your own homework, there you go: I'm Town Jailer. You're welcomed to make your proper stand finally or give your counterclaims if you have any.

Why no debate is required Emmett? You are now the third voter with the same label, calling me unhelpful. You gave no specifics why all I do is babble, while there are other players with long posts as well. Also this is how it works now? The longer you text the more likely you are being unhelpful? You are jumping on a wagon and making yourself convenient about it. And the fact that I'm the only one pointing it out is tragic. You just cut all angles saying there is no need to debate. How is Town not furious about a statement like that? You was not blocked to contribute. Nothing stopped you. You had two game days now and now you pick on the most posting player calling his contribution babbling. Also what are you saying? I'm Town and you are policy lynching me? Because that is again much more convenient and safer. Why are these multipost oneliner answers are better than my "babbling", which took quite a time to express as accurately as I could? Is this truly what serves the goals of the Town? Is the game not about reading carefully all the damn lines? Should we all play with oneliners and wait until the Scum takes the homerun? I'm honestly interested in others' opinion about this.

Probably yes? You see, this is why I am voting for you: because you are sneaky. @Jean Pelley Sorry, I see that you are voting as well, that's and error, my bad. Also that makes your Aiden the only seemingly active but not voting player. Make up your mind! Vote.

This is how it looks like, plainly by votes and post counts. I've choosen below 10 as not active for now. Perhaprs it'll help to track our behavior. Active and voting: Andrew Laurent, Vincent Denis, Daniel Lucas, Fred Dumont, Justin Reynaud Active and not voting: Jean Pelley, Aiden Leon Not active and voting: Robin Tremblay, Trenton Monette Not active and not voting: Fabien Bellamy, Joshua Levitt, Alex Howe, Emmett Ware, Peter Lyon For personal reasons the most weird to me are the two votes on me from Robin and Trenton. Both of them had the same, short reason: Daniel is not helping, while others go under the radar. I asked for clarification and got nothing since. This sounds unfair from two actual lurkers going under the radar. Either I'm truly not being helpful or this is an agenda to label me. Now I've posted a lot but saying that all of it was unhelpful to Town is a debatable conclusion. I've got my first vote one me yesterday by Aiden with the very same short reason. I can't help myself to see the pattern. This feels all coordinated, a seemingly policy lynch. Aiden, I'm voting for you at the moment and I've been accusing you since early Day 1. You voiced your preference of my policy lynch many times. This is your D2 opinion: This is a contradiction. You wouldn't forgo because you'd be kept wondering about. One hour later you are too curious not to lynch. Aiden, you are cleary don't want to give an explicit answer, but keep hinting this issue. If you have any straightforward position on me, I think this is the time to be more clear about it. You have enoguh of information about me to decide, because you was not hesitant to make a constant campaign against me since I've dared to accuse you. Make your stand now. Do you think of me as scum or town? Are you going to vote for me or not? And either case: Why?