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16 Wide Modular Town What would happen if you took all of the current modular buildings and made them 16 studs wide? EB Member AwesomeTaylor thinks it would look a lot like this. I think he's right. Why not take a moment to visit the Town forum and let him know what you think? While you're there, you'll have a chance to see the fully finished and adapted interiors and exteriors that he has created.

Feel free to use that as a future punch line.

You're. Oh god. My excuse is that I was hurrying because I realised the topic was supposed to be closing. Yeah, that's it. Moving on! Great conclusion! Have I mentioned how much I love Agent Hottie (yes, I know her name now, but it'll always be Agent Hottie to me) Best quote of the conclusion: There are just too many!

Ivan always did have a soft spot for the lovely ladies. I'm not sure what you're excuse is, but I approve.

Since we have time now, perhaps you can help me with that point, it's sort of eluded me all day. According to what verified source (and living, please, all these people speaking for the dead, pulling things out of thin air without proof, wanting us to take their word on it...) is Ruxana 'unblockable'? Please tell me it isn't her own claim that we're basing this on because I know this story about this guy who was unblockable, unconvertable, and unkillable at night. I think he was an FBI agent also. He made a point of telling everyone he could and they believed him. He was being less than truthful in an attempt to gain additional power and not be interfered with. It worked pretty well, too, if I do say so myself. Oh, and honestly, they could both be unblockable (I doubt either one is, though). We have no indication that anyone tried to block Donil, do we?

Since you missed this, apparently... And to simplify... I do not know what Ruxana is, but she came forward knowing the consequences and even when reminded of that, she stuck to her claim. That counts for something in my book. It also means she's dead if it goes wrong. It also means she's still a suspect if it goes right, since there are other possible motives. Clear now?

Let me be clear then, I don't want a misunderstanding. Whichever one is lynched today, assuming that happens (AND IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN), I want the other one investigated, watched, and generally harassed the hell out of until we know their alignment. I do not, in any way, think that the alignment of one guarantees the alignment of the other. For all I know, they could be working together, or even more likely, part of two different groups working against each other. Make no mistake, there is little doubt in my mind that at least one of them is scum, I just think the more immediate threat is Donil. That doesn't mean Ruxana isn't a threat as well. It doesn't mean I'm right about anything, sadly, but I certainly hope I am. Let's hope it's the night that all of this becomes a lot clearer. If not, I foresee a lot more days of petty squabbling while the scum laugh and watch. Same here. It's good that we can agree on something.

So between his declaration that everything was straightened out with Ruxana and his death that night, he completely reversed himself again? I know you weren't talking after his death, naturally, so that can be the only explanation. I wonder what could have changed the situation so quickly at the end of the day and before any new information could be learned. Nope, sorry, not buying it. I know you want Ruxana dead more than Donil, you've made that very clear, but there's no logic to it whatsoever when even Ruxana agrees that she should die tomorrow if she's wrong. As for Petr's state of mind, he's agreeing with you. Enough said.

I just reviewed the events of day 2 and that seems to be incorrect. The only comment Yuri made about Ruxana in the entire day was as follows: It was Petr that kept promoting Ruxana as a suspect. It was quite effective as it seemed to derail Petr's conviction also. Coincidence or not, that's what you learn by actually reading the whole transcript of the day as opposed to listening to what people say about it later. I stand by my vote without hesitation now.

I still think it makes more sense to vote Donil today. If it comes down to the point where my vote makes the difference, I'll do it, and I'll probably get attacked for it later, and I won't be happy about it unless some miracle makes it right, but yes, I will do it. I'd much rather see a rally of sense and logic prevail and the vote go for Donil, though, so I'm not changing yet. If that makes me a target for suspicion, so be it, but I have to at least give this vote a chance, it's the most logical one. The problem I see is that Donil's defense comes from sources that admit they don't really know, so it's no defense at all. Ruxana's accusations come with the understanding that she's dead tomorrow if lying. That's a lot stronger position. If she's scum, all she's gained is one town kill and then she's dead and to put it in a less-than-delicate way, we can take a loss easier than the scum, we still have to vastly outnumber them. So if the truth is that it's all been a deception, she can't stop us from killing her tomorrow, and anyone who wouldn't vote for her then would have to be an idiot or practically admitting to being scum. It's the continuation of this conversation that still leaves me doubting so many of you. One way or the other, the results of this vote and tonight's actions should clear up a lot of that.

I don't see the logic in voting for Ruxana at this point. If she's telling the truth and Donil targeted Yuri, a fact he hasn't denied apparently, there's a strong chance that he's scum. Ruxana has very little reason to lie about that since it's been made clear that it would cost her life tomorrow, and she's stuck to her story. How is that not enough reason to vote for Donil? Whatever the case, the voting makes it clear that the scum still has enough influence to force another split and push us into full moon again. Perhaps they understand what this does specifically, but even without such knowledge, I know it's something we don't want again, so I'd seriously suggest that we make up our minds and at least put all of our votes on one person. At this point, I think that will probably end up being the wrong person, which annoys me considerably, but there doesn't seem to be any way to talk reason into your heads. Even Ivan has had a hard time with it, so who am I to do any better? Bottom line, you die if you don't vote, so vote for someone. A conviction would be better than not, since god has chosen to force us not only to vote but convict for fear of varying degrees of punishment. I still think it makes more sense to vote based on someone presenting a claim that they've continued to support and that hasn't been disproved in any way, but that's up to you, just don't die out of stupidity, that can only help the scum who won't be stupid enough not to vote. No kidding, it's why I placed my vote. Weird that it triggered a hellstorm against me and people used it as an excuse to split the vote. AGAIN. And even you advocated voting for me. This is a perfect example of what I've been saying all day. A perfect example. At the very least, I'm glad to see that you've somewhat regained your senses, it's only a shame that certain information had to be given out to cause it.

Oh, you certainly can, the problem is when you go over my words with a fine toothed comb (not my phrase there, it came from someone who wrote me and observed the same phenomenon) and don't apply the same standard all around. Did you happen to notice anyone else who was suspicious as you devoted the required hours to reading everything by everyone? The timing is a little funny as well, given that someone has accused another of being the scum killer and as soon as I vote for that person, I'm attacked and the whole matter is derailed into huge posts from multiple people making so many points that all I can do to reply is go line by line, further muddying the issue. It certainly doesn't encourage people to try to help the town and vote. We've experienced the tragedy of not voting now, so any doubts I may have ever had about it are out the window, I do not want to see another full moon, it can only be a bigger disaster than even a wrong but well intended vote. I haven't even tried to argue, I've just been stuck replying to a lot of comments. You should see me when I argue. Thanks for the vote. Now now, don't distract from the issue at hand, ignore the completely suspicious and bizarre circumstances surrounding someone not being able to vote for two days and their magical recovery of that ability. Also ignore that he wrote me asking about it and then tried to use his contact as an indication that there is something wrong with me.

You've never explained why you targeted the victim of the scum killer, so why does it matter if you had time to? The person who accused still thinks you're the scum killer. It's not that complicated, even if people want to make it so. NO, YOU CAN'T! No one can without cheating. I know you're relatively new to these things, but for god's sake, stop making idiotic statements as if they're fact. I think Ivan said it best... "Citizens of Moonlight," Ivan addresses the crowd, "We have lost two friends last night during the drunken debauchery of Full Moon Festival. We should all feel guilty for not being the more diligent." We had a 'full moon' because we didn't reach a conviction and had we been more diligent, it wouldn't have happened. Do you understand that now? You said you could prove it, now it requires Ruxana to do so, when Ruxana has voted to convict you as the scum killer? Are you even trying to make sense now? Not 'some' past movies. ALL. It's like doubting there's an investigator. How many of these have you played, anyway? I don't claim that they were or weren't, just that they clearly don't know who to trust because they killed the wrong people. In all likelihood, we have both a vigilante AND a serial killer. The poisoning looks like a serial killer, but the rest don't. You aren't applying logic, you aren't even understanding my points. If you'd prefer I not call it silly, I could revert to stupid, but that didn't seem as polite. Vigilantes often target quiet members of the town expecting them to be 'flying under the radar'. You don't know this? Hell, the town often targets quiet members for the same reason... The snoop. Fascinating. Ignoring that, I'll again note that you're twisting my words. I never said that the scum couldn't have two kills, I said I doubted it and would hope god wouldn't be that much of a fucktard to do it. There's a difference there. I said that first at a time when I wasn't being attacked, so I your claim that I was taking heat off myself isn't just misleading, it's a complete lie. And she still thinks you're guilty, but I'm a much better target for the scum, as evidenced by the quick attack. "Know your enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles, you will never be defeated. When you are ignorant of the enemy but know yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal. If ignorant both of your enemy and of yourself, you are sure to be defeated in every battle." -- Sun Tzu Read the last comment again. If you want to defeat the scum, you have to look at every action in the game from their standpoint. If you can understand what they would be likely to do, it's easier to spot it when they do. I give up. Do what you will. If you end up making the mistake of killing me, remember who pushed so hard for it and stop letting them pull your strings. By now, a normal town would have a much clearer picture of who has been manipulating them day by day, but that isn't the case here and I can't make you see what you don't want to. The town is doing a terrible job. You all suck. I'm doing a terrible job, too. I suck. Better? Can we agree that if it wasn't for the poisoner, whoever the hell they work for, we'd be at an exactly 100% failure rate so far? I'm not above anyone, and I'm not acting like I am. I don't have the answers, but when we're presented with something logical and it's immediately countered with a full-on attack towards me, it's pretty obvious what's going on. To see people not realising that means this town is doomed. I can't do anything about that, and blaming my attitude is ridiculous.

You very clearly said you were sure they were both scum, but let me guess, you're willing to ignore that for a while to take care of me, for wanting to bring one of them to justice. You came to me asking if I could help figure out why you can't vote based on my comment during that day. I told you I couldn't and only said what I did based on suspicion that you might be the victim of blackmail as I had seen written about previously. I never 'posed helpfulness' I simply answered what you asked. I also made a point of not revealing what you said for fear that the town would misunderstand it and make a foolish decision. As for Denis, I'm going to be perfectly honest here. He has a problem and has had one for a long time. He takes any opportunity to oppose me, whether I agree or disagree with him in any situation, whether I talk a lot or a little, whatever I do is wrong in his eyes. I could document this if I wanted to waste the time. He always finds a way to turn whatever into a reason to accuse me, but he never has the balls to do it first, he waits for someone else then supports them using cautious language designed to avoid blame when it goes wrong. To be blunt, it's so transparent that four different people have written me about it over the course of these last few games of life and asked what he has against me. I have an idea, but honestly, it isn't worth the bother. Quite possibly. I'd prefer to believe this than the alternative. Nope, just commenting on how scummy a move it is. Believe me, I don't think that everyone who makes a scummy move is actually scum, some are just easily led by the wrong people. There appears to be a lot of that going on right now.

Ivan and Agent Hottie (I forgot her name) are standing in front of the restaurant observing the town. A hurried Denis passes, barely able to stop for a moment to offer them a confusing greeting, "goof mourning, every Juan!" Much to every Juan's surprise (see what I did there?), a dictionary falls from the sky and crushes his skull. "Oh well," says Ivan, "his name wasn't so spellinged correctly either." "Denis is an acceptable variant of Dennis," explains Agent Hottie. "Is it? Well, colour me blushingses then, my dear," replies Ivan who immediately takes a step to one side to avoid another falling dictionary. Agent Hottie just stares with that sultry stare that only she can give. Mmmm... *snaps out of it* The moral of our story is a simple one: more Agent Hottie, please.

I hate these long posts, but since Ruxana and her supporters are trying to split us up and flood the topic with nonsense, I have no choice but to reply accordingly. I will not, however, let this turn into pages of fighting. If people can't see the truth, then we will continue to fail like we have so far. Ruxana stepped forward with info that I feel we should act on, I'm sorry if you disagree, but no, I don't think both could be telling the truth here and the smartest test of that is to vote out Donil who has the best chance of being the scum killer. If you're not worried about that, maybe there's a reason you don't need to and you would like to share it? And no, I don't like that voting is a chance matter, but it's all we've got and denying that makes anyone who places a vote into a hypocrite. A lot of people joined that vote, are we all scum? Is there some reason to point me out specifically, or is it just because I'm on to Donil and we need another split vote so more townies can die in the madness of the fool moon? Perhaps I should have worded it better, but my concern was not reaching a conviction. Does anyone remember what happened when we didn't? Seems my concerns were well founded. No, I'd be thrilled to take out Donil and learn that he's the scum killer and we've scored both a victory and a chance to potentially trust someone. That is our goal here. At least it's mine. The problem is, we don't know any of that. We don't know that there are two parties, a serial killer, or even a vigilante. I've suspected a vigilante as it's a common practice and we had two killings in one night, neither of which seemed like a serial killer. That would be foolish. In previous games of life, such a person ends up killed by the town. I could cite many instances of that, including one that occurred in this very town. I'm sure Ivan remembers it. Heck, Samuel should well remember it, his own daughter Darlene went to prison for it. If the vigilante was good enough to be able to identify someone to trust, they probably wouldn't be making potential mistakes in their killing, either. No, this theory is just silly. Since they would be neutral, they wouldn't contact anyone, the idea that they need their work confused with a vigilante is pointless, vigilante or serial killer, one of them is killing the wrong people. I asked them to be more careful after what I believed was the first one, and then another occurred, but there's no way to tell who did it. For all I know, they may have stopped after the first mistake. Whatever the case, the likelihood of there not being a vigilante is nearly 0%, so I wouldn't deny their existence as an excuse to create a role we don't know exists. Right, you're not a fan of that, you just did it instantly. And yes, you're damn right I believe in a vigilante. I've NEVER seen a town without one. NEVER. Perhaps I have a bit more experience in this matter than you do, but there are a lot of us who have been through this before and if they aren't scum and take the time to think a bit, they'll know this is true. If they won't take the time or effort, there's nothing much I can say. As for you coming up town, IF that is the case, and I sincerely doubt it, I would not automatically assume that Ruxana is scum (though a lot of the town always seems to think that both she and Donil are), but I would expect some good answers, hopefully someone would investigate her as I have already suggested and you conveniently failed to mention. He doesn't seem convinced of that, unless I've missed something. To be perfectly blunt, the town is performing so badly that if I was scum, I'd keep my mouth shut and just watch as townie after townie is idiotically murdered. I wouldn't bother supporting a vote and I certainly wouldn't put my neck out to do so. You really don't understand how scum work, do you? My first vote was bandwagon, I said it and I take the same guilt as anyone else for it. My second was hurried but sincere, I don't trust Petr at all. I announced I would vote for you today, and I did. If I was scum, I'd let someone else take that heat, but it's fine, you carry on with the distraction and the vote split and if the older members of the town are worth saving, they won't fall for it. Like I said, the person you explained it to doesn't seem convinced. Neither am I. My vote stands. Of course I'm the only one that still stands out, even though there are people in this town who know I'm innocent and won't be fooled. Extremely scummy is trying to get people to tell you info, then them dying. Again and again. Don't think I've stopped looking in your direction, I just can't get the town to resist being distracted by your supporters and behind-the-scenes manipulations. The truth will come out, though, I guarantee it. I appreciate that you stand behind your words, it greatly improves my faith in you. I hope it isn't a trick.

It's worked before!

Holy shit, the boss! It should be noted, however, that god specifically said: "Max (Masked Builder) was the Godfather of the Russian Mafia." Does this mean he had to say "Russian Mafia" to differentiate from another mafia, or is he just being clear? Crap. I hate this game of life sometimes. That might be the stupidest plan I've heard. Donil is likely the scum killer, and if so, killing him first seems slightly more important than guessing that it's all some complicated scam. We can always take care of Ruxana later, maybe someone could even investigate her first. As for Donil, I said I'd vote (and we'd hold Ruxana responsible if it turns out wrong), so here we go. Vote: Donil (Waterbrick Down)

That's enough for me. When the time comes, I will support a vote for Donil. At this stage, it's the clearest potential evidence we've got and to ignore it seems ridiculously dangerous, given that this might stop us from losing yet another townie to the scum. If this information is wrong we will hold you responsible, naturally, but it would be a fairly foolish move to make something like this up knowing the consequences and I have a pretty good feeling about it. This might be the first thing to completely make sense in this whole game of life. Thank you for stepping forward. I hope that whoever is capable of protecting you will take the necessary action tonight.

I've seen it done. Seriously. But no, I'm suggesting something else ... No, it's quite likely that you're being used by someone you've trusted too much and it's getting people killed. It's also possible, especially in the case of Eugene, that you're trying too hard to look innocent by giving out information no one can confirm based on supposed conversations with a dead man. It's actually making you look bad, leaving the cautious members of the town wary of anything you say. You might want to look at what information you have given and received and see if there's something odd in there, like someone telling you too much or suggesting things that aren't exactly working out well. Past towns have learned that they do better without a messiah trying to organize things and ultimately getting the wrong people killed. That's what I'm suggesting, in a nutshell. Sure would cause confusion, wouldn't it? Who does confusion benefit most? Who scored a double victory last night and could easily head to another one if we don't get something going today?

I refuse to believe that the scum get two kills a night and one during the day, that would be megablocking insane. Some of what went on has to be caused by the moon, like a misdirected kill by a vigilante (or another mistake, but I specifically asked that any vigilante BE MORE CAREFUL, didn't I?). I've got a lot more than that on mine, and so does anyone else who isn't scum. Unless they wanted to use it as an alibi later, but that would take someone pointing it out. Oh, wait ... The only thing I see out of yesterday is the scum voted late to split the vote and guarantee a bad night. Well, we sure as hell got a bad night, and I'd strongly suggest we don't let that happen again. That's our lesson for today. That, and anyone who gets close to Petr dies. Then is used as "evidence" that never helps us. Then another one dies. A pattern I'm not too comfortable with, one that says either he's scum, or he's unknowingly in contact with scum and talking too much. Even by his own admission, he's been talking too much since day 1 when the mass pm went out. Seriously people, a little caution here until we know what we're dealing with.

I Ivan and the hot agent. It's about time he found true love again. Or at least some hot sex in the moonlight. With both a lower and uppercase m.

I certainly don't want to believe that the scum get a kill every night AND day, and to me, despite the 'tommy gun', the night kill looked more vigilante than the day one. I suppose I should phrase everything I say as supposition to avoid anyone thinking we actually know something here, but that's a pain in the megablocks so I'm going to just assume that everyone realises that it's all guesswork at this point and anything said should be taken as possibly true, not absolute fact. There is one, actually. Every time he votes for you, his vote is blocked by an unknown outside force. That could easily indicate that you're scum being protected by your own. Unfortunately, it could also simply mean that any vote Samuel casts will be blocked. It could even mean it's an outside force, and they'll block other votes he attempts to make to keep the situation confusing.

Strong start, strong finish. I can't argue with this logic, especially since nothing better has been presented for us to consider. Vote: Petr (Zepher)

Just what we needed, another town death. Well, I think this confirms that Eugene was killed by a vigilante, who I would ask to use a bit more restraint in the future. It could also mean that the scum get two kills, one at night and one during the day, but that would be a pretty douche move on the part of god. Oh, and given that he won't provide a normal vote count like every other megablocking host in history, he clearly is a douche, so all bets are off regarding the scum getting two kills.