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I never claimed to be Harriet and my EB News skills are rusty nonexistent now.

You think that's something...

I'm just Wild about Walters: A play by me. Me: Don't you mean Wilder, the vig? Me: Yes, yes I do. Dammit. Me: It's ok, you're old. Me: Your face is old. Me: It's your face too, so just how much of an insult is that? Now that I think about it, having your face is an insult. Me:

Well, to be fair, I ... no, I can't comment on that out of game, and yes, I meant Wilder. Crap. I'm getting too old to remember names.

I merged my posts, before anyone screams, I expected them to go together on their own, but they didn't.

About god damned time. Hey Walters, just how many days have I been trying to get you to do that? Now... who the hell did it? I'll give you one thing, Wheeler, you put up a hell of a defense, I hope this doesn't end up being the ultimate meat-shield. Unvote: Lt Wheeler (Inconspicuous)

Old mafia folklore that holds surprisingly true sometimes. It relates to the lack of randomness in a random set of sets. Kind of hard to explain and even harder to use.

Inserts. Rule of 3s and all that. Vote: Lieutenant Michelle Wheeler (Inconspicuous) Just as a side note, nope, I've got nothing. Carry on.

I see dead people. According to Starfleet regulation 182, subsection 6, paragraph 3... Let he amongst you who sucketh less, liveth longer, and thus boredom shall not come. It's one of the more archaic parts of Starfleet code. Now get lost, some of us are trying to figure things out here, we'll join you shortly.

A fox with a shadowy persona and resurrections. Uh huh, I see what you're doing here. If you didn't do it so well, I'd have to track you down and set you on fire. Might anyway. I really hope it's explosive potatoes apples!

That only works if he told someone that he planned that idiotic kill. The last time we corresponded, the list of likely targets was very different (and more logical). I'm more curious if someone influenced him towards that target, but if they did, why would the scum hit him also. In the end, the whole thing makes no sense at all. Right, and if he had told everyone, I would have protected Daly. I'd love to know if that would have worked against both killers or not.

How does it do that, exactly? Last I knew, he still hadn't decided on a target, the fact that he chose Daly tells me one thing, he's either a serial killer or he was influence by someone he should reveal immediately. I'd accuse him of being scum, but that wouldn't make sense with them both targeting the same person. WHY DALY? No one suspected him, there was no reason to. I didn't even suspect him yesterday when he voted for me, and by the end of the day we were seeing things the same way. He saw his mistake. Your point? He didn't even push that hard, he just needed answers, if he had asked sooner he would have realised the mistake sooner. Do the town a favour and don't base your suspicions on your own past evils. If we're playing the history game, I could tell you all about a town called Moonlight that had a protector who kicked the scum's megablocks while also keeping them from killing him at night. To take him down, they would have had to lynch him. We also had a ghost investigator who revealed a scum and greatly helped the town in the process. Sound familiar? Except I've never been part of the town block, I stayed out of it to maintain the secrecy of my role, and even last night, I didn't know who would be targeted. If I had, I would have protected him instead because it was such an obviously stupid move. It's exactly the same as the night Wilder killed Walters, I had no idea he was going to do it or I would have stopped it. Exactly, they had hoped to use the town to kill me, and when he saw the mistake in that, they killed him to remove one more roadblock. The question is, why did the vig target him? That is where we need to look today. Not one time in our discussions was he ever raised as a potential target. Not one time was he even a suspect. McAndrews made a list of suspects at one point, as did Walters, and so have I. Even Wilder had a list. None of us ever included Daly in that. As a matter of fact, the one person that 3 of the 4 of us did include is someone who is alive and making misleading comments even now, yet he wasn't targeted. There is no logic to this, you have a hell of a lot of explaining to do, Walters. Right now, the scum are surely laughing their heads off, even the dead ones (though let's face it, they did so poorly against this pathetic town that they ended up dead in the first place, so they can't really laugh too hard ). If it hadn't been for the stupidity of the town block letting the scum right into the heart of things, we wouldn't be where we are now, on the brink of disaster. Oh, and it would be good to hear who our investigator targeted last night and the result. Why do I expect it to be another townie and utterly useless again?

I was saying that situations have existed where the godfather also had an action that could include killer. But this is not the simulation, it's sort of a remix of things, so there's no telling what we can expect and we would be wise to stop trying to use the simulation as a guide to the present situation.

I've wondered that myself, but at the same time, they knew the vig before I was protecting him and the blocker before he died, so I have yet to understand what the scum are doing in their target selection. I was directly told that and couldn't make any sense of it either. Fair enough and harmless. I've actually been surprised that no one has asked previously. To make it easy, here are the actual PMs for each night, along with some commentary. At this point, I obviously had no means of identifying a good target to protect, so I was hoping to get some kind of investigative side-effect in the process. I've done it in previous games, but it didn't work here (and the reply was funny, I'll post it after this game of life). This was my first real alliance. I'd gotten the impression from his posting that we were beginning to see things the same way and I hoped it was an indication that he was town. He was. His death still annoys me tremendously. For the life of me, I can't remember why, but I think it was something you said that day that made me think you could be trusted. This is the point where I finally started to learn some of the structure of the town, and the day that he announced his role to the world, a decision I was not involved in, nor one that I approved of. All the more reason to protect him, though, so that's what I did. Nothing really changed here, there was no reason to stop protecting him. And that is the summary of my nights. All returned a successful result with no details, leading me to believe that I was never blocked or interfered with in any way. It wouldn't be the first time that happened in one of these situations.

He worked in mysterious ways. The post game-of-life will be fascinating, I bet. That much I know. No. I agree that hearing more is good, but in the end I'd rather risk voting out someone who claims to be vanilla over a possible investigator, so my vote for Holloway stands.

I can't go into details about the magic treestump, not because I don't want to but because even I don't understand how it worked, to the point that I was actually suspicious of him at first. I don't know what Falcon was prior to death, but clearly it was something amazing to come back the way he did.

It isn't worth my time because it's illogical, just like the nonsense with York was. It's obvious in it's transparency. The scum can't kill me at night, so they go for the lynch. Not exactly hard to spot. When a legitimate or even well-thought accusation is made, I'll give it the effort it deserves. Hasn't happened yet. I've had anything but the vig's ear or things would be going very differently right now, for one thing, he never would have revealed himself. No, the vig has been deeply involved with the town block, you know, that group that was led by Scumba for a while, the one that has at least one scum in it even now, the group I've intentionally not been involved with because I don't trust them. As for being helpful, you tried to get the vig to kill me days ago when he knew better and you and one other are on his list of people to vote off today. Ask him for yourself. McAndrew never said anything like that to me, he was unsure of both of you, his list of suspects was down to you or Jones. Not me. Not the vig. You or Jones. I still maintain that Jones may serve a useful role to this town, leaving you. You probably mean 'au contraire' in your attempt to sound eloquent in your stupidity. Gilding the lily and all that. Oh, wait, you scum hate it when I'm rude to you. Scumba hated it, Rockford hated it, now you. I like my record of upsetting the scum so far, it makes me smile. As for opportunity to kill me, they know they'll only get me by lynch, it's why you're so keen to do it. You know this for a fact or you wouldn't be so determined to go against the vig and McAndrews and others to try to get me killed that way, especially since the scum are well aware that the town has a protector and I certainly don't see anyone else trying to step forward to claim it. I'm having a hard time even following your rambling here, but basing anything on the word of Scumba (Gordon) is idiotic. Let's put it this way, if I was scum with Gordon, he would simply create fake results (he's vanilla!), not try to claim a block that could be discovered as a lie. If you're going to play scum, you could at least try to think like them when presenting accusations. Sure they know, it isn't like the town has managed to keep any secrets in this game. The scum know that a night kill is likely to fail, probably because McAndrews had an unfortunate history of not keeping his mouth shut. By your logic, why is the vigilante alive? Why is the investigator alive? They've been known for longer than I have. Think about that for a minute. That's all I'm asking. If the town is stupid enough to kill me, I expect them to be smart enough to kill you next. They are stupid arguments, just as stupid as York and her 'sting' that was a copy of Pewter, but worse. I'm sorry if the truth bothers you, but that's the way it is, stupid things should be called stupid, and I for one intend to do that. Everyone loves a tl;dr, so here we go: I was brought to McAndrews by our beloved treestump, who knew my alignment without question. I had already been talking to Walters, who I felt could be trusted enough to know my role very early on. I told McAndrews my role and it was suggested that I contact the vig. I have limited my contacts with those who could truly be trusted. We've worked together since then, outside the town block, knowing that someone in it is scum. You've tried to get me killed by the vig and now by lynch. McAndrews suspected you or Jones. You're the logical choice for a lynch today. End of story. My vote stands, my patience, however, has come to an end. The town needs to get it's head out of it's collective megablocks and figure this out before all is lost.

Not even worth it. I laid out a case based on people who are actually confirmed. McAndrews made it clear that either Holloway or Jones had to be scum, and between the two, it made more sense to target the one who has no useful role to the town. I had to reveal my own role to make that case, something I had avoided previously and the town vig has confirmed this. If that isn't good enough and you wish to ignore it, do carry on with this nonsense, it would give the scum their only guaranteed shot at killing me, a lynch. They know this and are likely to attempt a bandwagon to get me killed. In the end, your fate (and mine) is in your own hands, but remember that killing me leaves our vig unprotected tonight, my role will not be passed on, I can assure you. I find it hilarious that at least part of the case against me is York. I revealed her idiotic 'sting' by saying that we clearly couldn't trust a neutral who would try to sell us out to the scum. Was I wrong? I never called her scum because I sincerely believed she was a neutral trying to join up with the scum, her reveal didn't make sense if she was scum, it would have served no purpose. I still don't trust her, I never have, but McAndrews (her sting partner) said he thought she was town. Since I knew he was, I took his word on it and moved on. Perhaps that was a mistake. I am not going point by point through it to prove something you should already be able to see. If you do make a stupid mistake and kill me, when I am revealed as town, kill Holloway, ok? That's all I ask, don't let me die without at least something good coming from it. You might also want to look at anyone who jumps on the bandwagon, since that's the best scum tell of all, they won't be able to resist taking me down the only way they can.

Interesting. I don't recall saying that only getting town results means the investigator is scum, just that it was unfortunate. As a matter of fact, I believe I made it clear that it only meant that they couldn't be completely verified yet and I also made it clear that they were potentially too important to take a risk killing. Did you actually read what I said before the knee-jerk reaction? I'm well aware of your suspicions, you suspect one person the investigator claims is town and not another. It's a little confusing and completely impossible to justify. What isn't impossibly to justify is that the investigator and Holloway are the only two people who knew the vig's target the night he was blocked, so one or the other is scum. Would you prefer we target the investigator today? I think that would be incredibly foolish.

Nice straw man argument. I, for one, have no fear of being knocked off for presenting a theory, I've just been waiting for the right person to make the first move. Tag, you're it. Perhaps you should return to your corner, since I don't think you're a townie at all. We, eh? You might be surprised what the remaining members of the town block actually think, and more importantly, what they know. You might also be surprised what the dead members thought before they died. It wasn't very highly of you, I'll tell you that much. The vigilante presented himself to everyone, so that isn't much of a revelation. The investigator, on the other hand, claims to have replaced the former one upon his death. It's entirely possible, but unproven so far. Might help if he'd ever gotten a scum result we could test, but so far all of his results have been town. Not damning, certainly, just not helpful. still, it's better than nothing unless we find out it isn't true. One good way of doing that is lynching you. Indeed, any why do they know? Because you idiots couldn't keep your mouths shut and trusted the wrong people, like Scumba. Well, I shouldn't say you idiots, since I think you're the person they shouldn't have been talking to. You, as McAndrews pointed out before his death, were one of only two remaining people who knew that Rockford was being targeted the night the scum protected him, setting us back another day. The other was our potential investigator. If you turn out to be town, he's scum. If you turn out to be scum, he may be as well. Since you're worthless, I'd rather test that theory on you first, it would be a shame to lose our investigator, again, if that's what he is. I know exactly how we'll test that tonight, after you're dead, so no worries there. It's true. Three. Our vig who is open about his identity, our investigator who is still in need of confirmation, and our protector. Really? Let's see, 11 people left, any town investigation result could be the godfather, so aside from taking out the three PRs based on hoping that they're true, that still leaves a lot more than 2 people, doesn't it? So why me? I have to ask because you've presented nothing in the way of evidence, yet I also know that you've tried to have the vig kill me previously. He knew better, but he wasn't going to tell you. Sit down, junior, your game is over. Who the megabluck do you think the town protector is? Oh, and don't worry about me, for where I come, a protector can take care of himself at night. I've been pushing the cowardly scum to come get me day after day, pushing every button I could to try to trigger their egos into defending their pathetic manhood, and so far, nothing but cowardice (well, Rockford did call me rude :laugh). I've been the Czar of megablocks and nothing. NOTHING. What does that tell me? They know what they'll face and they aren't going to risk it, instead, they'll take the easy way out and try to get me lynched (since their attempt to get the vig to kill me failed). Someone told them the full extent of my role, because hey, this town can't keep it's damn collective mouth shut, we already know that. What the scum have forgotten is that I'm not afraid of them, I don't have to be. You signed your death warrant, scum. Vote: Ensign Robert Holloway, engineer (Waterbrick Down)

Geeks.

We don't have that kind of time. We already know that some information that shouldn't have gotten out has, it kept scum #2 alive longer than they should have been. We also know that it appears that Wilder trusted McAndrews to correctly judge Walters as scum when he wasn't, which covers the trusting the wrong people part. The rest, the scum can find out if they ever reach down and discover the balls to do so. I am very much hoping to be seeing that day, but I am doubting it.

I have a theory about that night, but I'm going to need more information before I decide if it's right. Has anyone else mentioned me? Have they turned out to be scum? Did they call me rude when I hadn't been rude to them? Maybe you're right, maybe we need to go back and see just who has mentioned my name, I have had a pretty good record for pissing off the scum. As for my being alive, if I'm right, they've had a very good reason not to come after me so far, something leaked by one of the people I trusted. Unfortunately, they didn't seem to trust the right people themselves, which is why Scumba had been able to get in with them early on, so there is no telling who they spoke to when they shouldn't have. Kind of a shame, it might have led to yet another town victory, something we really need to be racking up right now as our numbers are getting a little too close for comfort. We only have your word on that at this point, McAndrews can't speak for himself anymore. That's either very unfortunate or very convenient, depending on one's point of view. McAndrews was the only confirmed townie I ever knew of, the others were all speculation.

Perhaps he can also speculate on why the scum haven't tried to kill him after he foolishly exposed himself as the vig (and we know they haven't because we've seen them kill someone else every night since then). I think it's because I was rude to his idiot friend Scumba. He even called me rude before I actually was rude to him, pointing out his stupidity and obvious scumminess. To me, that indicates that it was a previous grudge more than a reflection on anything I'd said that day. And of course it had the added benefit of leaving his scummy friends with a chance to point at it and say, "hmmm, which was it, casting suspicion or drawing suspicion away? Nevermind." Oops, I was just rude again, wasn't I?

Well that's just great, two deaths in one night, and they happen to be two of the three people I thought could be trusted in this game of life. We need answers today people, we're running out of time and at the current rate... I don't even want to think about it.